Is another button they appear to have fitted to my new built Covert which makes the seat post
go up and down on demand, hadn't had time to play with it fully before some bastard nicked it to go do a demo with, but it must be an aftermarket item made by somebody..
I want it back and I want it now, what a blinding device, who it's made by I've no idea yet, I'm going to stick with my old bike for a bit longer because I love the Hammerschmidt, but I need that post thing already..
Just got to have it.
Gravity Dropper FTW.
The Best thing that's happened to a bike since front suspension?
Disk brakes. There are many other tings that have improved but reliable, powerful disk brakes have made a huge difference to my riding.
Hydraulic disc brakes without a doubt!
Consistent barking performance regardless of weather conditions, massively extended rim life, virtually maintenance free and oodles of power. What more could you ask for?
Disc brakes are the best mtb 'invention' since inflatable tyres.
Consistent barking performance
no argument with that
WOOF WOOF
duel control shifters, there amazing, now i can change gear properly.
Consistent barking performanceno argument with that
WOOF WOOF
throwing stones in your greenhouse JY? 😉
SPDs, surely ? 😉
ah shit I walked straight into that one 😳
haven't really decided about uppy downy seatposts. I reckon they are the sort of thing that becomes useful once you've used it for a bit.
disc brakes are the biggest leap forward imo
Me.
Nah, not really.
Hmm I don't recall stopping being any problem with rim and centre pull brakes
I bloody well do! Hells bells!
rockshox reverb post OP
chiefgrooveguru - MemberGravity Dropper FTW.
absolute horse poop! unreliable and take away the challenge of descending...
i should know i had one, endless problems, ditched it, never looked back and now very very rarely even drop the seat for mega steep stuff....its way more fun and challenging, having a dropper post literally is CHEATING. Im glad ive seen the error of my ways....
and to people who state - well i dont have to stop every two mins to drop my post etc etc blah blah...yeh great, but unless you ride alone, what about all your pals who dont have one? and you have to wait for them anyways?
as above - its disc brakes....
OP do you do most of your riding in a cave?
rarely even drop the seat for mega steep stuff....its way more fun and challenging
Surely that is basically saying "riding with bad technique is way more fun and challenging"...
Yeah, that's a RS one.
So how did you go about getting that lovely bike nicked??
jhw - Memberrarely even drop the seat for mega steep stuff....its way more fun and challenging
Surely that is basically saying "riding with bad technique is way more fun and challenging"...
😆 how exactly do you work that out?
dropping your seat to the top tube is the easy way out surely?? the fact you can ride the same thing with a seat up means you have more skill....the dropper posts are skill compensators for most people...it gives a better sense of gravity and your feet are clearly closer to the ground should it go wrong...with your seat up you have to rely on your own skill to descend, and if you get it wrong your buggered not being as close to the groud...
thats how i see it, ive noticed since ive gone back to a normal seat ive enjoyed the challenge more...
a dropper seat post is hardly revolutionary compared to say disc brakes that perform consistently throughout...
anyways dont wanna argue fella, its cool people disagree, ive owned both and thats my personal view, other people will have theirs, just dont think they are next best thing since suspension really...each to there own, peace out 8)
29" wheels
Hmm I don't recall stopping being any problem with rim and centre pull brakes
I've always been quite a big lad and the braking defiantly went pear shaped in the winter months. Much prefer a good set of disks, pretty much maintenance free from one year to the next and quick release really does mean quick release.
Hmm I don't recall stopping being any problem with rim and centre pull brakes
I bloody well do! Hells bells!
+1
GRF, Ive had a custom build Covert now for 8 months. Its got the Hammerschmitd and Reverb - I love the Hammerschmidt and since fitting the uppy downy I cant stop using it.
I would be interested as to what pressures you run in your suspension.
As to the original question - since Front suspension, well depends what came after front suspension really. SPD's were before, so for me its probably Disc Brakes or an uppy downy post. But we shouldnt forget improved frame geometery. Just try riding an old bike, its horrible.
Oh and mechanisms for dropping seatposts are older than suspension and disc brakes:
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love my dropper, doesn't suit everyone but i guess it depends what and where you ride.
was surprised how often i use it.
yes a little extra fettling but there's **** all on the telly...
"rarely even drop the seat for mega steep stuff....its way more fun and challenging and slower"
fify
No no, I see your point! There is a certain satisfaction in getting down the gnarly stuff with your seat right high.
Jumping with it up is sketch, though 😯
Things like 29" wheels and geomettry are just evolution. Discs are a REAL revolution. If someone thought centre pulls are as good as hydro brakes then they either never rode in the wet or are trolling.
Anything thats techy enough for me to need to drop the post I'll probably want to have a quick look at anyway. So a QR does the job.
Disc Brakes are definitely "the best thing since front suspension"
The reason you feel confident having a go at the techy descent with your saddle down is because of the reliable stopping power and control of discs
There's a certain satisfaction in managing to ride a Brompton offroad. Or not crashing after hitting black ice in the car. Or managing to not die after lawnmowering through its power line. Or managing not to fall down the Grand Canyon after tripping over whilst admiring the view...
I like my Gravity Dropper because it puts the saddle up, not down. Without it I rode with my saddle low for enjoying the downs and suffering the ups, rather than being restricted on the downs and suffering the ups (but getting them over more quickly).
Nice trolling, Oscillate 🙂
absolute horse poop! unreliable and take away the challenge of descending...
Like pneumatic tyres take away the challenge of riding over bumps? Like tyre tread takes away the challenge of maintaining traction? The list goes on...
You are entirely correct that people have their own opinions on the matter; but you must be aware that you're using spurious logic in an attempt to back yours up?
By being able to easily maintain a better position on my bike (by lowering the saddle on descents) means that I can go faster. By going faster, skills such as balance, handling, cornering, braking have needed to improve. Why attempt to develop the skill of avoiding a badly placed saddle, which also tends to leave me in a disadvantageous position, when I can develop generally applicable skills such as those listed above?
As to the OP, I'll go with hydraulic disc brakes.
cheers tom, no idea what that is but cheers all the same 8)
Disc brakes, followed by tubeless.
Three_Fish - Memberabsolute horse poop! unreliable and take away the challenge of descending...
Like pneumatic tyres take away the challenge of riding over bumps? Like tyre tread takes away the challenge of maintaining traction? The list goes on...
You are entirely correct that people have their own opinions on the matter; but you must be aware that you're using spurious logic in an attempt to back yours up?
By being able to easily maintain a better position on my bike (by lowering the saddle on descents) means that I can go faster. By going faster, skills such as balance, handling, cornering, braking have needed to improve. Why attempt to develop the skill of avoiding a badly placed saddle, which also tends to leave me in a disadvantageous position, when I can develop generally applicable skills such as those listed above?
i know, i enjoyed the easyness of dropping the post, and descending, it makes descending technical steep terriain ALOT easier, since ive had my normal one back ive found myself very rarely dropping it, and using my weight and the likes (leaning back etc) alot more and thinking about the lines i take and seeing past the next section...
with a dropper i just plonked it down, and bombed it away knowing i was only a brake away, and putting my feet down should the worst happen...
with your seat up in mostly climbing position, you simply cant do that, so you have to use your body to manouvere and adapt to whats ahead...that to me is where the skill comes in...
ps. im not on about descents on singletrack etc, im on about steep roll ins and very steep technical descents usually off piste etc....
i have no reason to diss them, i owned both and wouldnt go back to one now, im enjoyed the basics of the bike again, and its definitely improved my techical skill and thought process when descending..
they are good for what they do, but they are not revolutionary like suspension or disc brakes...
anyways im not just saying my point is correct, people WILL descend better from using them, and do more challenging stuff they didnt do before, and thats good....so to them it may be the next best thing since suspension....
but i firmly believe if you can ride very steep technical stuff with your seat at full climbing height, you have the basis of good technical skill....
at the end of the day thats why people get dropper posts is it not? to allow them to descend more technical things with a lower and thus easier way of descending? thats what i bought mine for anwyays...
tubeless is a good shout too! how did i forget that!
Has to be GPS for me, as I am a man with no sense of direction.
Most of my rides are time limited so knowing where I am and how to get home via the quickest route is invaluable to me.
Discovering new trails is so much easier.
Ahh, Tubeless - dont forget to read the threads about the poor tubeless chaps asking what compressor they need, or why they dont fit / seat / seal etc.
They dont quite seem to be as free from faf as disc brakes yet.
"The Best thing that's happened to a bike since front suspension?"
Orange Five.
Actually I noticed that riding with my saddle down made my cornerning much better, so it isn't just about descending steep things.
camelbaks and bladders are good
I certainly never had much problem stopping with rim brakes. The need to replace pads every ride when it was wet is another matter, but the best thing since front suspension?
Rear suspension of course! (although perhaps it could be argued it's advent was not really after front suspension).
with your seat up in mostly climbing position, you simply cant do that, so you have to use your body to manouvere and adapt to whats ahead...that to me is where the skill comes in...
And when the saddle is out of the way, you'd just sit there like a lump? More fool you, I say. With the saddle out of the way, there is [b]more[/b] scope for finding and maintaining a good center of mass/gravity because there's no saddle to try and work around.
Tubeless (for me at least) is a non starter. I don't doubt it has its benefits, but its still a little unrefined IMO. If the execution could be improved so that a tyre can be inflated with a std pump every time i.e. out on the trail. Then it will thrive, until it can be considered foolproof it won't.
Another way of thinking about this debate is "in which order would you do away with various features?" I don't use a dropper 'post (in fact I never drop the seat, choosing to just leave it where I like it)...
I'd get rid of, in this order:
dropper post (if I had one)
rear suspension
rear disk (replace with any rim brake)
front disk (well set-up v brake would a sensible minimum)
suspension fork
...and even after that lot goes you've still got a whole lot of fun, just like the good old days.
When you look at a bike, a hell of a lot of features have been there for a hell of a long time - diamond frame, chain drive, pneumatic tyres, derallieur gears - when design features pass that sort of test of time it puts other stuff into perspective.
you can't compare that seat spring with this new device
Of course you can. Bears at least as much relation to these new fangled droppy posts as a RS-1 does to a Revelation.
cheers tom, no idea what that is but cheers all the same
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