[Closed] That new Vyro chainset just reviewed by STW, how clever??

Looks great. Wonder if it will fit on bikes without iscg tabs? Slightly worried about the chainline though. With a 36t ring you won't get it that far inboard if you frames chainline isn't great.

ISCG tabs required.

Any questions about the chainset, just ask!

Seems to be a fair few comments and questions over on Facebook.

Happy to answer anything.

Cheers

Sanny

I saw this too, and was quite intrigued. Looks like quite a clever solution and a neat little unit too.

RE: ISCG Tabs - If you look on their site it appears you can select between an ISCG actuation plate and a BSA mounted one.

I'd be really interested to see how it handles a long winter, and what the availability/cost of replacement parts would be, but it actually seems like quite a cheap way to get around the issue (395€ all in)

It's a fair chunky unit (1.25kg) but I guess it's low enough down that it doesn't matter too much.

Watching this one with interest!

looks weird

As I commented under the review - I got rid of 2X cos I no longer wanted a front shifter (no more cable spaghetti!) - I assumed most(?) went 1X for the same reason... dropper lever sits there now, doesn't it?

Seems to be a fair few comments and questions over on Facebook.

How jolly surprising!

Really interesting if the price comes down a tad over time. I wonder how much replacement rings will work out at - I can't see them on the site?

To answer the question, it handles Scottish winter riding with aplomb. I have thrown everything at it - mud, slop, stream crossings, snow, ice, heck, even dust, and it still keeps going. At the tail end of winter no 2 and no issues to report back on.

It works just fine with a Fox Transfer Post above bar dropper lever as well as a Rock Shox one.

Weight wise, I can't say that I have noticed any discernible impact when riding.

I do like it when someone comes up with a new design which works and proves to be durable.

Cheers

Sanny

Being able to change crank length is sort of interesting, but once you find the length that suits you, you wont change again.

Given that we now have 1x11 or 1x12 we basically have such a massive range of gears that for mountain biking as 99% of us ride, you really don't need a 2x system anymore.

So it seems like a solution to a problem we don't actually have anymore.

Looks interesting. I suspect in some environments it could wear a bit but heck that applies to everything.

Looking forward to seeing you equipping all your bikes with them.

I have a splinter deeply impregnated in my left thumb and it's impossible to remove. It hurts operating a left gear changer so that's why I went for 1x.

When they make an electronically actuated one of these then I might buy one for my gravel bike.

If it offers as big a range as a conventional double, with none of the faff of dinnerplate cassettes that weigh as much as 550g+, chainline issues, or the problem of doubles sounding like a bag of spanners in certain gears, then I'm sure there will be interest.

I still occasionally miss gears at the bottom and top of the range that I lost moving to 1x . This would let me run 11-34. I'd rather they had a 38-26 though.

Bigger ratios for a gravel bike and it would definitely be of interest to me. 32/48 please.

trimix - some of us need the lower gears and greater range of a 2x system.  Me for one for spinning my way up big hills

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a couple of clumsy moments that would have almost certainly fubar’d a normal outer ring.

Would the bash guard not have prevented chainring manglings?

I like it! I've got a couple of 4x bikes that are a **** to ride up a mountain on and I'm too tight to pay for anything more than a 10 ring cassette.

If it offers as big a range as a conventional double, with none of the faff of dinnerplate cassettes that weigh as much as 550g+, chainline issues, or the problem of doubles sounding like a bag of spanners in certain gears, then I’m sure there will be interest

Sounds nothing like my 1x and some people need to get bigger dinner plates 😉 sorry but weight and price means I'm heading eagle next. Massive choice of chain rings which got replaced way more than the cassette anyway

Wow, simplifying everything by have two rings up front ....

Wow , what great idea... it can give you way more flexibility .....

That's rather beautiful really.  I always fancied a Browning Automatic Transmission back in the day but it didn't seem to gain you much for a lot more complexity.  This seems much better

Why stop at mtb? Looks nicer than a planetary double BB system. Quite like one on the trike. Won't fit though as not ISG

I like it, but I can't help wondering if it actually introduces more component count,  mechanical complexity and cost than a traditional front mech...

Bike dealers are going to love this.

New chainring? Would sir like the diamond stud version or the gold plated one?

To me that looks like a great idea for a road bike and a highly consumable for a mtb.

(I have a Browning somewhere, never fitted it, this does look more practical)

Seems like an expensive, complicated solution looking for a problem. Personally, I'd be more inclined to go for something along the lines of the HammerSchmidt. That obviously didn't take off commercially, so I'm skeptical that this will fare any better.

what are the equivalent chainring sizes?

Chainring sizes are 36 and 24 - and they’re not equivalents, those are the ring sizes.

For those who are interested, I've posted prices of spare parts in the comments section of the article. Wearing my reviewer hat, I think they are pretty reasonable and compare well with traditional chainring costs.

Hope this helps?

Cheers

Sanny

PS There is a road version coming which I hope to test on my gravel bike and some other really interesting stuff.

Can standard 11sp mechs cope witth e additional capacity? Most are desicned for 10-42 - can they live with the additional capacity needed for a double up front?

I cannot speak for 11 but with a 10 speed Shimano rear mech, wide range 42 t cassette and the VYRO chainset, I have had no issues with capacity whatsoever.

Seems like an expensive, complicated solution looking for a problem.

That was my first thought, but on reflection, I think it's actually pretty neat, at least compared to a normal front mech setup.

The fact that the chain doesn't have to be derailed when shifting means that the teeth don't have to be shaped to help the chain come off, and shifting doesn't happen by forcing the chain over the top of the teeth with a heavy shift action.

The fact that the chainline doesn't change between the two rings helps shifting, but isn't really an advantage as a standard double helps improve chainline in the gears you actually use.

Fat bike version required!

I like it, 1x is always a compromise somewhere I find, one that's easy enough to live with, but still would be nice to have the range and choice of ratios of a 2x.

It’s a fair chunky unit (1.25kg) but I guess it’s low enough down that it doesn’t matter too much.

The review says its lighter than a middleburn/Xtr setup so I presume that includes the shifter etc and the actuator weighs less than a conventional mech and bash?

I like it, but I can’t help wondering if it actually introduces more component count, mechanical complexity and cost than a traditional front mech…

Many bikes are now coming without the ability to run a front mech. This is a good solution for them.

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trimix – some of us need the lower gears and greater range of a 2x system.  Me for one for spinning my way up big hills"

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Actually, 12 speed gives you pretty much the same range as 2x- and 32/50 is almost exactly the same ration as 22/34, while 32/10 is pretty much the same as 36/11.

Actually, 12 speed gives you pretty much the same range as 2x- and 32/50 is almost exactly the same ration as 22/34, while 32/10 is pretty much the same as 36/11.

You should know 1x is not the place for evidence based discussions

I hope it finds a place in the market. It's not for everyone but there are enough niches to go round.

A bit of genuine innovation is never a bad thing. 👍

Nobody doubts that Eagle has the range, but it's probably the eye-watering cost of replacement cassettes (130 to 300+, depending on your need for lightness) which will make people consider other options even though the cheapest group may come in under this price. The cheapness of replacement cassettes and even rings for this one would be a factor for me - I have to know I can afford to keep it running.

I particularly like the idea that this offers choice to people who are locked into 1x by their frame choice. Bit of choice and competition may even drive down prices here and there.

but it’s probably the eye-watering cost of replacement cassettes (130 to 300+, depending on your need for lightness) which will make people consider other options

Very much this. I will not pay more than about £30 for a cassette. Ever.