[Closed] Surly Krampus

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Like that. Was waiting for a 650Bx50mm wide rim and a 650B 3" + tyre to come along, but that'll do..

I was sworn to secrecy about this 😕

whats it for then? Too narrow for snow and sand I'd have thought?

Is that cap BS standard tested for that "stunt"?

http://twitter.com/DirtRag/status/226389547704016898/photo/1

Its for.....FUN.
Odd concept for you Al.....get someone young to explain it to you 😉

Sworn to secrecy ,twas all over facebook .I thought arybody new

@ rsarch 🙄

Al, I'll take a punt that it's for those who like some of the benefits of a fat bike or big, low pressure 29er tyres on normal trails but wanted a lighter less extreme wheel. Kind of half-fat. I guess 650B is too close to 26" to bother and this works better.

That's great. They have a killer tyre company and good volume (no pun intended) to push this out. Nice work.

it's just I tried 3" tyres and the jump to 4" was huge.

those rims will go ace with a jones as well 😀

Presumably with the longer contact patch you get with a 29er tyre, you don't need the full 4 inch width to get the same ground pressure??

Really dig the ad.
The tires are light, will the fit a regular 29" fork?

tthew - a 26 x 4 tyre is as big as a 29 x 2.3

Those rims will be goin on my jones 😀 - and possibly a 3" tyre as well.

[url= http://forums.mtbr.com/29er-bikes/surly-krampus-802452.html#post9518288 ]complete bike pic[/url] looks fun.

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Wow that looks ace - want one 😀 I've been waiting for 3" tyres for years! - it will be a nice front tyre on my Jones, semi fat - run it at maybe 15 psi for a fast and cushy front !! Hopefully the increased diameter won't mess with the geo too much.

Shortly after that pic was taken a (big) bus came along & squashed that behemoth.
So that niche is now cancelled.
Sorry all.

Coooool. Was saving for the On One fat bike, but this might just throw a spanner in the works. Wonder when Charlie or Tim might have these in the UK? At least the tyres to go on a fat- front?

Just read the weights - a rabbit hole plus a knard will be lighter than a Gordo + ww - it just gets better.

Presume those tyres also will work on a p35 in a 'standard' 29er steel fork?

I wouldn't...

Why, rims to narrow you think?

Presume those tyres also will work on a p35 in a 'standard' 29er steel fork?

Surely would be fine? No different to a 2.4" Ardent on a narrower rim than a P35?

Yeah, guess so too.

Cynic-al... you tease me huh?

I thought about just popping the tyre on my P35, but that might defeat the point. If you're using a 3" tyre, may as well get the wider rims to support it. It's not far off 50% wider than a P35. Shame it'll be a pita / impossible to use tubeless. May need specialist tubes too, no more 26" spare tube bodges.

bloody marvelous, and what I have been asking for for years.

I hope the tyre fits in the front of a regular 29er rigid fork, for a smoother ride... free suspension.

I have ordered my demo bike. no idea of ETAs of prices, but email me to register your interest and I will keep you in the loop.

I have ordered a demo bike for myself... sorry for the shop.

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I was curious... and it turns out "Krampus is a mythical creature recognized in Alpine countries. According to legend, Krampus accompanies Saint Nicholas during the Christmas season, warning and punishing bad children, in contrast to St. Nicholas, who gives gifts to good children. When the Krampus finds a particularly naughty child, it stuffs the child in its sack and carries the frightened child away to its lair, presumably to devour for its Christmas dinner."

*checks bank account*

hame it'll be a pita / impossible to use tubeless

there are ways and means, that are not too difficult, managed it with a bit fat holey rim and a nate, so this should be easier.

Ok, surprised but good to know, ta.

Any tips on that set up Tazzy?

bloody marvelous, and what I have been asking for for years.

Butterdean Woods on one of these Gaz... 🙂

I only need the rims and tyres as their double drilled so can fit the pugsley offset built, giving a ridged 29er with a nice slack head angle 😉

slack HA? you thinking of going mountainbiking somewhere? 😛

You're hard enough to keep up with up Butterdean on that bloody ancient Muddy Fox Courier 8)

I knew I'd heard that name before..

[url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/is-the-uk-a-christian-country/page/9#post-3288664 ]nick my fuggin idea wouldya[/url]

can I have a free one please..?

GW AL... WHY?

When you move from a 2.2 Ralph to a 2.4 Ralph, you can feel the bike hold in longer, climb better and handle bumps. If a slightly bigger tyre is better then a much bigger tyre will be better. Full fat tyres at 3.8 are great but too big (beginning to get sluggish, slow on climbs) So this is inbetween, it should be a good place to be.

On a rigid 29er, the extra suspension and comfort from a big tyre is great. There is enough room on many forks for a 3" tyre. So these tyre may we'll find there way on to existing bikes. Rim width will be an issue, but basically you get 3" of tune-able air suspension for around £80.

Fatter tyres are better on sand, so a 3" won't be as good as the big fat larry at 4.7, but it will be better than a 2.2 on the frequent short stretches of sand we get on the heaths down south.

Bigger tyres make you look slim.

They are indeed very slimming, allowing you to enjoy more cider 🙂

For folk wanting a fat bike here in the UK but not wanting to ride real soft sand on the coast this new bike will be ideal, road work, climbing, faster trail speed and overall weight will be a lot better for xc riding than a full fat, yet should give great comfort and plenty grip, Be a great bike for riding the Cheviot Hills and the like 🙂

There is enough room on many forks for a 3" tyre.

I've never tried but I think I can fit 2.7" tyres on my bike - does the extra .3 of an inch do something magical then? Lots of grip on big tyres, yes, but the other side of lots of grip is being really draggy.

Charlie, your definition of "better" is another world from mine 😆
My hardtail rear tyre of choice all year round is a near bald (centre knobs) 2.35 maxpro Bling bling at 40psi, straight line grip is really not something that keeps me up at night ;).

but basically you get 3" of tune-able air suspension for around £80.

CK's described it's use far better, cheers dude! although some of the descents I've been lucky enough to ride in the Cheviots are gnarlier than many national DH tracks and I really wouldn't want any bike Surly make under me coming down them. 😉
looks like the mancave might need some more wheel hooks for the rafters soon, eh? 😀

Grum: who makes a 29x 2.7"?

I think until now (ignoring a no longer available WTB) there is nothing between 2.4 on 29, and 3.7 on 26". Surly fill the gap with something in the middle.

Bigger is not always better, but it is bigger, which is better

Here you get more grip, and this is the bit that attracts me... The biggest external diameter on the market (ignoring custom 36ers)

And if big tyres are such a bad idea, then why are we not all riding 1970s Raleigh shoppers. Hold on, shoppers have won several clunker classics.

Surly may live in a crazy world of farts and fat, but they do know what they are doing, and probably are fully aware that in a world where carbon suspenion bikes are mainstream commercial kings, the majority of people won't want or understand the Krampus.

Bike rumour have nailed it, they said "As further evidence that Surly live in a parallel universe in which suspension never evolved to its current (really quite good) state, aluminum is suitable only for containing beer, hydraulic disc brakes are something to be viewed with suspicion, and neither skis nor snowshoes were ever invented, we have the Krampus.  A steel frame built around the brand’s new 29×3.0 “29+” wheel size, the Krampus is apparently the “logical progression of the 29er.”  (Never mind that most of the industry sees 650b as the logical progression of the 29er.)  Much like a bowling ball at the top of the stairs can claim “high potential energy,” the 820g (plus 699g rim) Knard tire’s claim of “fast rolling inertia” neatly sidesteps the issue of how that inertia is achieved.  To be fair, it does look to be “like nothing [I've] ever ridden” and could be exactly what I’m looking for.  Only some saddle time will tell. "