[Closed] Surly Krampus

SS that and leave me in the woods please. Preferably, grimy midden-Scottish woods with fairies and the like.
Neeeeeeeeoooooooow....
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Edit: FUN!

Any tips on that set up Tazzy?

I could tell you but i'd have to kill you. It does involve the use of industrial silicone rubber self sealing tape though as the rim strip. Air tight, stretchy and sticks only to itself. 😀

email me for secret details 😉

Hmmm, not sure the corner shop sells that! Wot pressures you getting away with, 6 or 7?

I could tell you but i'd have to kill you. It does involve the use of industrial silicone rubber self sealing tape though as the rim strip. Air tight, stretchy and sticks only to itself.

Or just use a split tube. 😆

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If you're running your rear tyres at 40psi - I'm not surprised you don't get it.

Stu.... Should you not trim your flapping flange?

Finaaar finaaaar

Flappage is now trimmed. 😀

Just wanted to see how easy it was to get it up first...

I'm not sure what that tubeless solution has achieved? Slime in a tube will be as effective?

On a rigid 29er, the extra suspension and comfort from a big tyre is great.

Or why not just do it properly and use suspension?

Stu... What size tube did you use? A 24"?

I add sealant to the fat surly toobs, but it's not always enough. A £96 puncture.... And to prove I don't know what I am talking about, I am being overtaken by a small wheel shopper.

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I'm not sure what that tubeless solution has achieved?

A total lack of thorn punctures and a small weight loss.

Slime in a tube will be as effective?

Nope. It's better than nothing but no where near as good as tubless and stans.

Charlie.

Yep a 24x3 tube.
Inflates dead easy with a compressor.

Tom... Tyres are suspension. The original tuneable cheap light suspension.

Ride a fat bike and you will understand. It's an extreme example, but big tyres feel good.

So you're saying Stans will seal a tyre, but won't seal a tube ?

Charlie - I don't think anything would have sealed that !!! 🙂

So you're saying Stans will seal a tyre, but won't seal a tube ?

No I'm saying it seals a tyre better than a tube.
Maybe something to do with the tube moving around inside the tyre and the thorn keep opening up the hole.
When the thorn's in the tyre with no tube it can move around all it likes and it doesn't matter. Also the tyre is thicker and stiffer than a tube so the holes doesn't try and enlarge as much as it does in a tube.

All i can say for sure is that it's worked a lot better than a tube full of stans.

Anyway back on subject those rims/tyres should fit in a couple of frames and forks i already have so i'll be giving them a go when they become available.

Tom... Tyres are suspension. The original tuneable cheap light suspension.

Ride a fat bike and you will understand. It's an extreme example, but big tyres feel good.

True, I was actually surprised by how different a large volume tyre felt on the back of my hardtail.

Bike rumour have nailed it, they said "As further evidence that Surly live in a parallel universe in which suspension never evolved to its current (really quite good) state, aluminum is suitable only for containing beer, hydraulic disc brakes are something to be viewed with suspicion, and neither skis nor snowshoes were ever invented, we have the Krampus. A steel frame..."

Seeing as the word "better" seems popular, are Aluminium and Carbon not far "better" materials for an overly heavy bike you're going to use on beaches and salted roads in winter?

Tyres are suspension. The original tuneable cheap light suspension.

Ride a fat bike and you will understand. It's an extreme example, but big tyres feel good.

How about fun?? 😀

how about it?

Grum: who makes a 29x 2.7"?

I don't know, no-one? But having massive tyres on my 26" wheeled bike would be pretty similar no?

Sometimes (in fact pretty much always) I ride my bike for fun - not to get up and down the most efficient way possible- this bike looks fun so why begrudge people just that?

If it doesnt float your boat fine

I don't begrudge anyone's idea of fun.. Where do you get that idea?

There is a FB page already for the bike 🙂

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what a load of kack.

More !! Surly are doing 2 new huge mud tyres at 4.8" 😀 called the Bud and Lou.

Bring it on!

OK JUST HEARD SOME ETAs

Framesets, rims and tyres end of 2012
Completes around march / April 2013

My man in the states has been riding one and says.... "Indeed it's a serious development of the Fat tyre market and having ridden the pants out of one it's pretty awesome somewhere between full suspension comfort and hand tail speed."

GW: you really don't get it. It does not have to be better. It has chunting great big wheels which will make it better at some things and not so good at others, whilst giving a new / different / fresh riding experience. Folk who will buy these will no doubt also have a mormal mountainbike with suspension and maybe even gears. As a surfer I ride all kinds of boards from 11 foot paddle boards, five fin bonzers, quads and even solid wooden finless boards based on ancient Hawaiian relics. There is no way in the world a finless plank is "better" but it is an experience, and adapting your style to different equipment allows the learning curve to continue, after 20+ years I get the same feelings and excitment I got when first learning to surf. It's the same with bikes.

I like the idea of somebody actually makes a bike for fun, not to be the most effcient , lightest, or place people at podiums.
The pic. In the ad pretty much sums it up.

Its a toy - we are off work 🙂

More info has landed

It's 31.5er on the outside

No Charlie I do "get it" and totally "get" that some will love it, just not me I'm afraid, sorry but the handling traits of these style of bikes just frustrates me and to be blunt the type of riding this latest development opens up would bore me to death.
Oh.. and may I remind you that it was you who started using "better" to describe it. 😀

GW... no need to be sorry.

charlie, any idea yet if the rim/tyre combo will fit in the rear of the ti Jones spaceframe?

Thanks,

Joop

Or if the front will fit a swift fork?

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It won't fit in a spaceframe joop - an RR 2.4 on a gordo only just fits - so I'm not expecting a 3" tyre to fit I'm afraid - maybe a 650b 3" tyre would fit though - who's going to step up and make one? - Brant??- - front - no problemo.

a 2.55 wtb and a 2.4 ardent do fit a jones on a 29 x 50mm rim though, so that's still a winner!

If '29+' is 31.5", than I'm back to waiting for a 650B x 3", something that matches a 29ers OD closer.

31.5 / 800mm sounds big, a 3" should add about 3/5" or 15mm radius over a 2.4"ish tyre, so ~30.5 / 775mm OD. Not sure I'd want to jack up the front of a Jones by an inch.

I measured my front wheel at 29.5" - so if it is 30.5" - then it's only 1/2" taller overall.

I'll get the rims anyway - as they're lighter and wider than gordos.

all speculation at the moment anyway! - I may drop jeff an email and get his views before buying a Knard.

The thing that is not clear yet is if there is a clear chainline for a granny ring, maybe with a MWOD type chainset but probably would give a very poor chainline.
Scotland with no Granny ring is a big no no... 🙁

The rims will go down a treat for many different progects and ideas as lot lighter than Trials rims 🙂

OD confirmed at 30.5"

Alfine Coastkid?

Alfine aye - but struggle to a get a decent low 1st gear with that bigger than regular 29er diameter, though do-able 🙂

30.5" is better, that half inch shouldn't mess things up. + 1/2" wheel radius adds trail about double that of 1/2" on the fork or the equivalent ~1/2 degree on head angle, so it's like backing the bike of a degree. FRC, would be interested in Jeff's comments if you mail him, mind PM'ing me or posting up rather than a few of us bombarding him with the same q? Cheers. Tyres/ rims a long way off yet tho anyway.

Dirt rag have a nice review now

[url= http://www.dirtragmag.com/webrag/first-ride-surlys-new-krampus-29-plus-3-inch-tires ]Dirt rag krampus first ride[/url]

More news chaps...

complete is £1699 . March/April 2013 eta
kit (frame, fork, tyres, tubes and rims).. price tbc but around £1100, December 2012eta.
frame and fork is £650 December 2012 eta

I have to order before midday on monday 6/8/12 to get stuff from teh first production run. You will find build kit and complete pre-order options in my webshop.

Tyres and rim prices are being nailed down BUT surly wont be selling these seperately at first. The first stock is allocated to the frames and completes, so Jones owners etc will have to wait until maybe the summer 2012.

a 2.55 wtb and a 2.4 ardent do fit a jones on a 29 x 50mm rim though, so that's still a winner!

where can I get such a rim please?

Thanks Futon and Tazzy

Joop