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I didn't realise there was a neutralised start, left the pen at 500w to get up to speed which was entirely unnecessary!

Definitely didn't enjoy that but got an FTP raise it of it. Only another 30w to find and I'll be back to where I was 6 weeks ago.


 
Posted : 12/01/2021 8:55 pm
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What happened to our winner btw? Awesome time but disqualified himself?

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I was planning 300ish on the flat then 350 climb. Pretty sure did 320+ flat and still around 350 climb. Ouch!

I'm confused..zwift results say dangerouss won?


 
Posted : 12/01/2021 8:55 pm
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Can't complain at my average power, but my sense of time went wonky in final 1Km, one minute it looked like I was less than 25% up it according to bar and then suddenly there was barely any left...

So shifted to big ring for a sprint for the last ~30secs, but can't help but think that should have been a bit extra power all the way up the hill.

Extra kudos to those who went sub 20mins!


 
Posted : 12/01/2021 8:56 pm
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You had energy to break a bottle cage AND do a warm down?! I slumped over the bars for 5 mins trying desperately to catch my breath while feeling like I was being stabbed in my side with my bloody stitch. First TT for me.

Robbo, my bloody FTP went up to 314w on that. Damn!


 
Posted : 12/01/2021 8:57 pm
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What Happened brian?

Mrs me did a ride earlier. I changed the weight and height over whilst waiting to start, only it didn't actually change.

Given its <20min staring at my output and not much else I'd not spotted the w/kg was way off as I hadn't looked at the list. I only realised something was wrong at the top when I realised I'd taken a chunk out of Phil which is BS, checked and it has me at an average 4.84kg which is nonsense. Should have been just over 4.


 
Posted : 12/01/2021 8:59 pm
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I think Brian didnt adjust the weight back from his wife looking at his power to weight ratio!


 
Posted : 12/01/2021 9:00 pm
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That was 'fun'. I went hard out of the gate, realised it wasn't the start, carried on as fast as I could. Reached the bottom of the hill and ran out of low gears to push the pedals round. I had increased the trainer resistance to 90% prior to starting and whilst it helped in the flat it was too hard on the climb. It was a realistic pace up the steep hill tho. Probably the speed and gear I would of had to ride in real life?
My other aim was to stay ahead of Jim, which I only just managed.


 
Posted : 12/01/2021 9:02 pm
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Golly that was hard. First TT so no idea on how to pace, went for 250 on the flat and 300 ish up.

Was in the second group with only a few guys.

FTP went up from 268>275 so I was trying at least. Off to lay down.


 
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Owww!  Well done everyone as that was brutal.

Well at least it looks like all those races getting caught in no-mans land between lead and second groups has its benefits as it is has improved my time-trialing! Broken at the end but my FTP as taken a massive step up to near where it used to be - seems it was motivation was all that was needed. According to Zwift it is 314W - seems to have taken 95% of my average power for the race (which was slightly below 20 mins). Strava reckoned 304W.


 
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Pretty happy with that, just above ftp on flat then 115%ftp for the hill, managed to push slightly over target come the end giving an ftp bump to 285 can you adjust please @robbo1234biking


 
Posted : 12/01/2021 9:09 pm
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Glad I did a recce on Friday, knocked 35 seconds off that time and was only 3 seconds slower than my target of 22:07, so pretty pleased really.


 
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Gutted for those that had drop outs, that's a right kick in the wotsits for that to happen in a TT with all that energy spent for nowt.

Went pretty well for me. Managed to follow same method as the other day, increasing power up the climb and averaged a bit more on both the flat section and the climb. A 10w rise in FTP to 238w which was my minimum aim really as I'm getting fitter and stronger.


 
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Indeed that was tough and the MTB is a fair bit slower. Sort of went okay, but ramped trainer difficulty up to 100% this time and struggled to keep cadence up in the steep bits. Oh well, all good!

@Stumpy and P Liddington, couldn’t type but thanks for the messages.


 
Posted : 12/01/2021 9:13 pm
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Owww.. that was a bit hard work. Thought it was going so well ticking of the kilometres on the flat but they took a bit longer going up the hill.

First TT for me but I'm not ready to think about repeating the experience yet


 
Posted : 12/01/2021 9:16 pm
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Congrats Phil. Looks like win by 8s. 👏


 
Posted : 12/01/2021 9:17 pm
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Thanks everyone for joining in. That was pretty horrible!

Onto the results. These are provisional in case I have made any mistakes. Please let me know.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QPxMGqez2VsN-4mD17f90t06NzqSLMMoGe4cUEK1E3U/edit#gid=607126857

Cat A:
1. Phil56
2. benman
3. nixie

Cat B:
1. crazyharry
2. kirky72
3. danielcbaron

Cat C:
1. euain
2. funkybaj
3. oopnorth

Cat D:
1. lewisdeacon
2. crust
3. jmd12

And the overall race winner with handicaps applied:
1. jmd12
2. bails
3. jimdoubleyou

With the sprint/fastest lap points added the top 3 for the series is as follows:
1. kirky72 (86)
2. jimdoubleyou (84)
3. mjhes (80)

Green Jersey Race
1. Nixie (10)
2. Seabass (6)
3. Paino (4)

Next week we are back to the jungle – starting by the beach racing up to the jungle, one lap and heading back to town for Road to Ruins!

For those interested in joining with more STW Zwift fun(?) there is a TTT on a Thursday evening:
https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/zwift-team-time-trial-thursday/page/20/#post-11460181


 
Posted : 12/01/2021 9:22 pm
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Well, thanks to Roobo & Nixie for the 19:30 link.
I really enjoyed that!

FTP up by a MASSIVE 3w to 221w.
Sounds like there have been a few FTP increases!

I aimed for about 90% FTP on the flat and then just attacked the hill as hard as I could. Seemed to avg 250 up the hill, so 115% FTP.
One of those rides where at the time I couldn't have worked harder, but now I'm off the bike and calmed down, feel like I should have pushed harder on the flat.


 
Posted : 12/01/2021 9:25 pm
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@euain nice work! Only a second or so between us last week and the same time this week!

@stumpy thanks for the encouragement 🙂


 
Posted : 12/01/2021 9:27 pm
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That hurt. I went a bit too hard on the flat, didn't quite leave enough for the hill, ended up with a too even power split. I knew I was doing it (I said so out loud to my wife, quite lucidly, way before it began to hurt: "I'm going too fast") but it felt good and I was enjoying passing people so I pushed on. I never really burned out, but I was 10/15w down on my efforts up that same hill in the Christmas Eve TTT, and I think those watts would have been better spent today on the steep bit than enjoying myself on the flat! It's definitely a longer effort on the MTB.

In the end I gave away a few seconds to @w00dster and a few more to @kirky72 but managed to pinch some time off @j-r. They are the people it's rational for me to compare myself to...

Well done to the top riders, obviously. 10 seconds between the top 3 is exciting. And @drp nearly muscled into there as well. Excellent if ominous to see @crazyharry and @tpbiker returning to form. It's going to be very difficult for us Bs to find a way to unpick @kirky72 in the next few rounds.


 
Posted : 12/01/2021 9:27 pm
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Wait what... Neutralized start? Really?

I was going flat chat in the pens like the old wind up Evil Kneivel toy, was I not supposed to do that!?

Enjoyed it, first ever TT, I think I could have given a bit more at the bottom half of the climb looking back but I'm pleased with my time.

And I am on 7/8ths blood capacity too so I'm claiming it a personal result! 😛


 
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You had energy to break a bottle cage AND do a warm down?! I slumped over the bars for 5 mins trying desperately to catch my breath while feeling like I was being stabbed in my side with my bloody stitch. First TT for me.

More out of necessity. If I don't do a spin down I get horrible cramp for the next hour or so but after that effort I was really struggling to turn the pedals more than 60rpm at 100w!

Legs are like jelly now.


 
Posted : 12/01/2021 9:32 pm
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Yeah you don't start till the start line though you can wind the speed up before it.

Just exited zwift and got an FTP upgrade from 304->317W. I knew the ramp test the other week was rubbish. Still down on summers best.


 
Posted : 12/01/2021 9:34 pm
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I had no legs for that today, I was blowing up through it. I went even splits through the course but at or just below FTP.

I think I was getting odd looks as the only MTB in the race too.


 
Posted : 12/01/2021 9:35 pm
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Robbo, says I'm still an A in the results spreadsheet, when I'm definitely now a B.

Interestingly, I sat out the majority of series 2, but there are lads on here who were part of series one who have made huge gains as far as I can tell.

@Savoyad & @kirky72, I'd have put money on beating you pair up a hill in series one, but you absolutely kicked my arse today! As I don't think I did that badly tonight, am I right in thinking you guys have put on some serious wattage gains since September? Good work if so!


 
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@straightliner I was demoralised when you passed me right at the start of the climb and shot off. I managed to keep it steady though then used you as a measure, trying to keep within 25 seconds ... so thanks in a way 🙂


 
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I think I need to learn to push my self harder, got to the top thinking I could have given more. First tt for me though so I'll know for next time, if there is a next one.


 
Posted : 12/01/2021 9:38 pm
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@funkybaj - you're most welcome 🙂


 
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@robbo1234biking - you me given me paino’s sprint points in the results page...

That was definitely type 2 fun, managed to hold ftp for flat bit, then upped power to try and average 300W up the hill, which seems to have worked out nicely.

My FTP has gone up 22W off the back of that to 280. Which is good. And bad...


 
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@robbo1234biking my final time for race 2 has calculated wrong, it says 1:01, I'm sure I didn't take that long even with the handicap added 🤣🤣🤣


 
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Must say that was fun in hindsight...at the time it wasn't! 🤣

Really enjoyed the TT, my first one and I think we should have one every series! Well done for organising as always Robbo


 
Posted : 12/01/2021 9:58 pm
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@jimdoubleyou apologies have modified that so you and mjhes2 are equal on points

@oopnorth - I have updated the time but no points still I am afraid

@tpbiker apologies I have corrected you into the B cat

Lots of FTP increases tonight - I think I have them all covered. Will hihglight on next weeks handicaps where an FTP increase has happened so you can double check then.


 
Posted : 12/01/2021 10:01 pm
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Well that was interesting, and apart from a couple of outliers it was very close. After the handicaps, from @undarra in 4th place to @nixie in 41st, everybody was no further than 11 seconds from the person in front.

Like most, people I did the first bit at about FTP and ramped it up from 272W to 305W for the hill. So the "good news" is an FTP increase from 270W to 275W, which is always a nice surprise for us over 60's, and the bad news is despite that I still only came in mid field and scrapped just 2 points.

Comparing this to other races where I've done a lot better, I think my main skill is managing to just cling onto a group of faster riders and letting them do the work for me. Here I was relying totally on my own efforts so I didn't do nearly as well.

Well done to everyone, and see you next Tuesday.


 
Posted : 12/01/2021 10:03 pm
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@straightliner & @funkybaj - pleased you liked the messages - I always like to encourage the faster riders as they blow me out of the water 😆

Like your comment above, funkybaj ....straightliner came past me like a bloody missile!


 
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Mixed feelings on that one tonight, like @stumpy01. I knew the course but should have recce'd it again as I feel I could have pushed the last KM a bit more. Still, managed a slight FTP increase to 254 @robbo1234biking but just felt there were a few more Ws left by the end. I guess that's common on such a short effort. Credit to Robbo for the handicapping as there's some very close times and not the massive gaps I thought there'd be. Good job!


 
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Man, I'm so sorry I missed that !

Did someone say I can do it another time ?

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Congrats Phil. Looks like win by 8s. 👏

But still didn't get a single point!!

370w average, well above FTP - another FTP increase and not a single point!!

Seriously Robbo???


 
Posted : 12/01/2021 10:07 pm
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I was caught out by the pretend start too! Rookie error.


 
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I felt a bit hard done by too. Not quite in same league as you Phil but, 3rd highest HR in the field, ftp increase, so I was digging very deep, and still ‘nil points’. 😢😢. Never mind. I’m hoping the handicap is slightly less tough on me on the next course.


 
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@phil56 sorry about that. You still have more points than me in the series though!

I just didnt perform very well tonight - going to take a day off tomorrow and hopefully be back stronger for the TTT on Thursday evening. Havent had a day off the bike for 11 days so could prob do with a rest day. Performed at my FTP though so it wasnt awful!

More finishers than last week as well - 59 finishers which is great for a TT on a MTB!


 
Posted : 12/01/2021 10:12 pm
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oh....and my wife beat me!!!!

She's giggling in the kitchen and I can hear her going '6 points - how many did you get Phil??'


 
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Cheers Robbo enjoyed that in a sadistic way and I got a point yippee


 
Posted : 12/01/2021 10:14 pm
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3rd highest HR

Maybe there should be a competition for high heart rate? 😉 I think I averaged around 178.


 
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Anybody else using a Tacx Flow? Mine only seems to lose Bluetooth, (assuming that's what's happening) on climbs during races when I'm feeling strong.

A bit of a Google suggests they can overheat with low cadence and reasonable power.

Anybody else have this?


 
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Another disappointing show. Averaged 328W but just felt like I had nothing extra to give. Last season could ‘happily’ climb at 350W for 20mins. This time round I’m struggling to get much over 300. I suppose the effects of COVID childcare having hit my saddle time meant a reduction in form. Some sterling performances though tonight. Didn’t even manage a single point despite over FTP performance, so cap doffed to those who smashed it!


 
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Proper lol @phil56, she must be loving it!


 
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