Zwift Team Time Trial, Thursday

I'm in - good to see you've entered too this week, savoyad

Watts, not watts/kg then? <gulp>

Entered

Watts, not watts/kg then?

It'd be rude of me not to enter on a flat one wouldn't it.

lightweights still enjoy a significant advantage on the flat

Do they?

Weight (along with height) is used to calculate CdA so lightweights are more aero - they’ll be putting out less watts for any given speed

Weight (along with height) is used to calculate CdA so lightweights are more aero – they’ll be putting out less watts for any given speed

Ah, yes, but a [made up numbers] 70kg rider at 210w will do the same flat speed as an 80kg rider at 230w. The 80kg rider needs to push less w/kg for the same pace on the flat.

All that proves is that W/kg is only relevant for climbing!

We have 7 entries for tomorrow's TTT at the moment.

Any more takers? We've managed two teams a few weeks in a row now... It's 2 laps of Tempus Fugit, so 37 very flat km, Thursday 7.40pm, mixed ability teams.

Enter category A here: https://www.zwift.com/events/view/1204976 (category A, regardless of your normal category, they use them differently for this event).

I'm not a stalker (well maybe a little bit) but I wonder if any of @andeh, @jamesoz, @v7fmp or @slowpuncheur could be tempted to join us?

And @weeksy you can't say it would be rude not to enter and then...not enter, can you?!

Happy to enter the MoreSTW ride. With last nights race I don’t think I can do two rides trying to hold Phils wheel without my lungs exploding.
Legs are in bits today, dog had the slowest walk of his life this morning!
If the main team is short I’ll do it, just can’t see me getting to the finish line. Also as I’m a B probably doesn’t help the team if I join, happy to let a C take priority over me.

With last nights race I don’t think I can do two rides trying to hold Phils wheel without my lungs exploding.

Could do, not tried a TT, any gotchas I need to know?
I'll have a read through the thread later.
The only issue I have is a 3pm job in Kent to then get back to Reading. It's less than an hour's work but the M25 could bite me on the arse.
That and I have to relocate my turbo to avoid lungfulls of flint dust.

@trolo1234 is also in and has set up a Zwift Power profile. He is lightweight but good power output and would race as a B but no zwift power profile to view but I am sure you can do your usual stalking on his STW race results @savoyad!

And @weeksy you can’t say it would be rude not to enter and then…not enter, can you?!

Unless i change my mind randomly, i probably can. As per Robbos thread, i don't really do evening rides, for example, i'm just back now from a nice gentle roadie ride on the 29er... That's the sort of thing i do. At a push i do 4pm with my lad to the woods, but evenings are family time so i'm struggling to manage 1 at 7:30, let alone 2.

I'm in.

@Nixie is entered in catD - is that for a different team (I see "BRT" in the name)

So I assume you enter by normal Categories or do we all enter A?

enter same as the other lads.

@scardeypants that's a good reason not to enter D.

You feel free to hold his wheel for 45 mins though. Let me know how you go.

@jamesoz enter A. It's all a bit odd - in this event, A is used for mixed B/C teams i.e us.

I'll assemble two teams from all the entries and post that info tomorrow. At that point I'll also post the other info in enough detail for your first ride - they will include your zwiftpower tag (you'll need to add your team name to your rider name in zwiftpower) the discord channel invite link, the start process and probably other stuff too. In the meantime, make sure you have a zwiftpower profile set up (it's a one time hassle if not: https://support.zwift.com/en_us/connecting-to-zwiftpower-SyldRc_4H) and read through the thread for helpful nuggets...

@robbo1234biking - excellent news. no zp category means he (and if it's material the team) will just be allocated afterwards the category appropriate for whatever ride he puts in tomorrow. My favourite new riders are the ones who are blatantly really B but who zwiftpower insists are C because of one recovery ride they did 10 weeks ago.

Ok I'm in, all set up and tested with a laptop. Added (STW) in Zwift and Zwift power, a quick spin felt hard work after yesterday..

@scardeypants that’s a good reason not to enter D.
You feel free to hold his wheel for 45 mins though. Let me know how you go.

Meh - I was on his wheel yesterday for ages* 😎

(I just don't want him thinking he's in our race and then not being)

*way over 10 seconds - then he hit an aero power-up and there was a bright light ... and I woke up half naked in my garage, covered in sick 🤢

*way over 10 seconds – then he hit an aero power-up and there was a bright light … and I woke up half naked in my garage, covered in sick 🤢

We've all been there

...

barring the 10 seconds 😉

Martin is also in, has registered on STW but can't post here yet !.

Chunky boys looking forward to some flats.

I didn’t feel too many Ill effects from my ankle following yesterday’s race so I’ve signed up again for this one. Happy to drop out or act as sub if we have a full complement or somebody more useful needs a slot.

Good morning all.

We are sat on 13 entries at the moment (14 if @paino is feeling adventurous).

One team (STW, but that is a formality we can swerve...) has been lumbered with a 13.5 minute start delay this week. I think I'll leave that as STW unless it's the difference between @paino riding and not riding, seeing as he pre-declared a degree of urgency this week... paino, how are you feeling? (Ride time will be low 50s).

Still time for 2 (maybe 3) more riders, so give it until lunchtime and I'll post some teams/tags/discord etc.

Oooft that is a delay. I guess its time I tried the sitting in pairing to keep warm trick.

@savoyad that start time is too late for me. As much as I would like to, I’ll bow out this week. Beasting myself before a night shift is probably not the best idea.

Oooft that is a delay. I guess its time I tried the sitting in pairing to keep warm trick.

There is a super boost start that you can do whereby everyone spins up during the 10 sec countdown to start in the pairing screen and you set of by exiting the pairing screen instead of just pedalling. Idea being you start on 4-500w not from 0w. I can see that going very wrong for us!

I can see that going very wrong for us!

Especially since I need to dismount, go over to the keyboard /mouse, exit pairing and then get back on the bike and pedaling before zwift registered my power dropping.

I'm not DrP and the magic power meters you know.

I’m not DrP and the magic power meters you know.

Is that like "Jamie and the Magic Torch" from 80's children's tv? Going into some weird other world with lots of psychedelic craziness? Actually that sounds very like DrP... 😉

Disclaimer - If you don't know what the hell I'm going on about, you need to be a certain age...

Ignore, I'm behind the curve. Looks up how to delete a comment...

Especially since I need to dismount, go over to the keyboard /mouse, exit pairing and then get back on the bike and pedaling before zwift registered my power dropping.

If you do all that slow enough tonight, you could join in the "super boost start" (is that an official term @robbo1234biking?) with MoreSTW, let your power drop to zero before you get to the keyboard/mouse, then amble back to the bike and then just start normally at +13.5 minutes with STW.

Or just press escape with a long stick?

Or just press escape with a long stick?

Doesn't escape just exit zwift with no confirmation boxes?

EDIT - the long delay is actually even longer than I said - 16.5 minutes. Thanks @haloric for noticing. This is not far off "Log in, join event, leave it in the start pen, go out for tea, head home to race" territory.

Cue a parade of "I've been thinking, I quite fancy riding for MoreSTW tonight" posts. I take bribes.

Doesn’t escape just exit zwift with no confirmation boxes?

It should be randomised between that, just exiting the pairing screen, making the onscreen elevation profile functional and taking you back to the choose world screen. Which, bizarrely, would be an improvement on current functionality.

16.5 mins. I will do a trainerroad erg warm up for 10 mins in that case as I can use my phone for that whilst we are waiting.

EDIT: assuming I am in STW

@robbo1234biking Don't forget to hand control back to zwift after. Obvious, I know - but I once made that mistake and raced - Leith Hill after party, of all things - with the garmin (not)controlling my resistance. Constant 3%.

Ok. Let's go with this. There's more detail below for those who need it.

Team One, STW
Start delay 16.5 minutes so go at 19:56:30
STW TTT discord channel

@phil56
@dangeourbrain
@w00dster - change your tag
@haloric - change your tag. tell Martin it'll be different this week (or don't..!)
Martin - change your tag
@robbo1234biking
@zilog6128

Team Two MoreSTW
Start delay 3.5 minutes so go at 19:43:30
MoreSTW TTT discord voice channel (invite below)

@scaredypants - change your tag
@savoyad
@trolo1234 - tag yourself MoreSTW (see below!)
@drew
@ivandobski
@jamesoz - change your tag to MoreSTW (see below!)

Extra detail for newer riders...

- your Rider Name in zwiftpower (not zwift) needs to be tagged, using normal not square brackets, with your team name. So @trolo1234 and @jamesoz you need to add "(MoreSTW)" to your name. Not the quotes though. You can do this durably in zwiftpower --> profile --> settings --> Rider Name, or just for this one event today at https://www.zwiftpower.com/events.php?zid=1204976 --> Settings (top right) --> My Name [enter whole name I think, not just the tag]

- comms will be on discord. join the STW server ( https://discord.gg/rWgN4ttT) and then each TTT team has its own channel in the list of voice channels. go there towards the start time. people use it differently (headphones, speakers, whatever). It can work without but I don't recommend it. If it doesn't work for you, just start at the appropriate time and join the group...

- you need a road bike (in game). don't use a TT bike whatever you do.

- dress in the bumblebee outfit.

- the START procedure is a bit odd. Make sure that you enter the event before 19:40. There is no late join. But when it says GO! you MUST NOT GO. In fact, you must stop pedalling in advance of that to make sure you are at zero power at zero seconds. Then we WAIT our start delay. Just sit there. Don't pedal. Be patient. Today, for MoreSTW that means another 3:30 minutes. We'll organise a countdown / shout of go in discord. But it'll be at 19:43:30 . At that point, you can GO!

- There is no complex strategy to master although it is an acquired skill. Ride with the group. Your presence is itself a contribution. Put in some turns on the front if you want (or unintentionally), noone has a territorial claim to the driving seat, or just hang on the back if that's how it's going for you. Our philosophy is to get everyone to the end, so unless you really crack, speak up if you are struggling and we'll regroup etc.

- any questions, at all, just ask

(I have been looking forward to saying this again)

See you in the pen!

Thanks @savoyad, and welcome back!

If that did space for a last minute maybe (Looks like there is) then I'm a maybe for tonight.

Cheers Adam send welcome back, though I can't help but notice you're in the short delay group, sounds like a fix to me! 😉

Looking forward to it cheers savoyad

Actually not sure if am looking forward to it but it should be rewarding...

I hope everyone has a good ttt this evening. There is a good chance I'll be able to join in again next week (even though I'm a bit of an anchor) 😉😭😂.

@yanboss yes there's space. If you can ride, join us in MoreSTW (3.5 minutes etc).

cheers @retrorick - see you again next week maybe...