[Closed] Strap it all to the frame > Hip Pack > Rucksack

Anything strapped to the frame for any length of time will be destroyed by mud. 76 Projects Little Piggy with drybag is a good solution. C02 inflator and tubeless repair kit in there is all you need for a short trip

I'm old school mini pump and inner tube. It's reliable, there's no faff, it'll get you home. Job done.

Anchovie tools (Sahmurai) in bar ends, pump is mounted under bottle cage, all other tools and spares in a Wildcat Cheetah jerry can bag at top-tube/seat tube junction.

Im thinking your right and just pump and tube might be the way to go. will be messy but allways works and saves carrying anchovies and co2

I don't understand why people strap things to their frame on their own. Your inner tube will last all of ten rides before it becomes useless; you won't realise this until you need it.

Just get a small drybag, put your co2 inner tubes and levers in it, strap it to frame.

Local rides around 2 hours. No pack. Fabric Keg (multitool, CO2, anchovies, quick link, zip ties) on the bottle mounts and a tube stepped under the saddle. Phone and/or camera in pockets (just about to experiment with a Dakine leg bag instead though)

Local a bit longer. As above plus an Osprey Talon 6 with a couple of bottles and bars, maybe a pump.

Out and about. As above but with USWE Airborne 3 instead of the hip pack for more liquid capacity.

Anything more epic. My old Camelback Volt 13 with whatever extra gear I need.

75% of my rides are without a pack...

Your inner tube will last all of ten rides before it becomes useless; you won’t realise this until you need it.

I put an inner tube inside a section of motorbike inner tube - it's really tight. The ends fold over. Then it straps to the bike. Lasts forever.

Best thing i've done is ditch the backpack, two cages on one bike, one big cage on the other (takes 1 litre Sigg bottle which I velcro strap as well). I ride faster with less fatigue, sweat less as my back isn't blocked, and ultimately need less water. PLus i have a Oneup EDC and pump and a small framebag.

One Up EDC sorts all the tools out. Now I just use a tiny Dakine Stealth hip pack for phone, wallet & a tube. Don't even know you're wearing it.

Im thinking your right and just pump and tube might be the way to go. will be messy but allways works and saves carrying anchovies and co2

Which weigh all of about 100g.

I always have a dynaplug racer and CO2 in my pocket, it's incredible how much time it'll save if you hole a tyre, dynaplug is a step up from anchovies. I don't bother with a pump unless I'm going far far from home now.

I have the EVOC pack too, if fitted properly, I don't even notice it on really, as kiwijohn rightly says.

I tried an Osprey Talon 6 but can’t get on with stuff right around my waist. Used twice, up for sale if anybody is interested?

My setup

One Up EDC tool in the steerer tube with anchovies and their quick link plier in the storage section

Dakine Hot Laps Gripper on the top tube with tube, 2 x CO2 cartridges and an inflator valve

Mech Hanger cable tied to the saddle rails

Bottle on the frame

Anything else is overkill unless it's a bigger day, at which point I'll wear my Bontrager Rapid Pack with an extra bottle and some food. Really big days I may stick my Evoc pack on but I detest wearing packs now.

just about to experiment with a Dakine leg bag instead though

That sounds intriguing, do you have a link?

I must admit, having a SWAT box on my Enduro really has made a difference, it'll happily swallow an inner, pump, tyre levers, spare gel, I reckon I could get more in there. and there's a multi tool in the head tube with spare chain links and a chain splitter, with a bottle in the cage, makes a bag redundant for all but really long rides

But thinking for smaller blasts when I dont need the extra water or layers I could just put it on the bike

I've done something the same as you over the years now and love being packless. For short blasts which arent too far from the car or home I have a multi tool on my Zee cage and take a dyno plug, I dont intend to fix the any tyres issue and keep riding, just get the plug in teh tyre to keep enough air in to get back to home or the car.

Unless it's a properly long ride (4hrs+)where I'll take a pack, I just take a bottle on the frame, plus a Blackburn Outpost corner frame bag containing:
Combined pump/CO2 inflator, plus 2x C02 carts
Multitool with chain breaker and spoke key
Tyre lever
Chain quick link
Tubeless repair anchovies
Small cable ties
Gear inner cable
Mech hanger
Small folding pliers with knife blade

Anything I can't fix with that and I'm calling the cavalry!

Its clear from all the replies that there's certainly no 'right' way to do it. I think I want to try co2 out but I'm too scared to ditch the pump aswell. I could add one co2 to the tube/strap thing without too much hassle which should hopefully seat a tire then if that fails I always have the tube and pump.

Quick question then, with those co2 inflaters you get. Can you store them on the cannister or do you need to store separate?

Can you store them on the cannister or do you need to store separate?

The inflator can remain on the C02 canister as long as you have room as it obviously makes the whole thing quite long.

which should hopefully seat a tire then if that fails I always have the tube and pump.

Not sure why you're worried about reseating the tyre with the CO2

Small holes = solved by sealant
Bigger holes = anchovies

Even if the tyre fully deflates, unless you've literally just fitted it, the bead isn't going to unseat.

If the sealant or anchovy doesn't solve it, then pop one bead off, put in a tube and inflate using CO2. Carry 2+ canisters to be sure you can inflate it enough.

In almost 10 years of tubeless, across multiple bikes, I've only ever had to put a tube in once because the sealant or anchovy wouldn't work

I use a camelbak. I've experimented with frame strapping but I find it far more convenient to have everything in one place on my back. Especially so if I have more than one bike.

I always carry a pump, tube, tubless repair kit, multi tool, chain links, cable ties. Needed all of those at some point. Also need a lot of water so just use a backpack.

As said above, having everything in one place is more convenient. Especially when switching between bikes.

Only had to put a tube in a tubeless puncture once.

Obviously you have to check a tyre full of slime for thorns. Thousands of them.

Then you have to get the tubeless valve out with its really tight lock ring.

I don't intend to ever do that again ,even though I carry a spare tube.

The "problem" with tubeless is it seals so well that when you try and put the emergency tube in, there are so many thorns stuck through the tyre that it is near impossible to get them all out. Especially when they are covered in stans. You do your best but inevitably the tube gets a flat a few miles down the trail.

I always carry anchovies for this reason, I have fixed multiple slashes with them and all but 1 have been good enough to get me home. The 1 occasion was a 2.5cm cut over the edge of tyre and up into the sidewall. Even the tube wouldn't stay up so i had to call for a lift home.

I've had to use a tube just once because the sealant wouldn't work. I've also had to use a tube when I dinged the rim and that caused the tyre to deflate. Those are the only two instances in seven years across three bikes. I've only used an anchovy twice in that time as well (not the same occasions).

Take some paper tissues with you, then if you have to put in a tube you can run the tissue around the inside of the tyre to check for thorns, etc.

If you do use CO2 then put the valve at either 11 o'clock or 1 o'clock and let the sealant drain to the base of the wheel before applying. It's the thermal shock from the expanding gas that causes some sealants to degrade so keeping the coldest part away from the sealant will help prevent this.

At the moment I'm using a Pedro's Tulio which is a multi-tool that replaces a QR lever, obviously not an option if your rear wheel uses a maxle. Has the common sizes of Allen Key plus a chain tool.

Quick question then, with those co2 inflaters you get. Can you store them on the cannister or do you need to store separate?

https://www.sigmasports.com/item/Blackburn/Mammoth-CO2FER-Mini-Pump-and-Inflator/D0JI

Combined CO2 inflator and pump - stores 1x cartridge in the body of the pump 😁

Here's a tubeless repair howto - https://bikepacking.com/news/tubeless-repair-video-guide/

I'm still quite a novice when it comes to all those innovative storage solutions.
I tend to go on long 3hour+ rides at the weekend if I can and I've always used my massive 25l osprey escapist pack as I can chuck everything in it plus it carries my osprey 2.5l water bladder.
I want to ditch the pack though as it can be quite a weight with water, tools and food, plus it obviously gets very sweaty. I bought a topeak aero wedge saddle pack (despite having a dropper post) and that holds my tools and spare inner now.
This thread is inspiring me to look deeper. Maybe I should look at a hip pack and maybe ditch the inner for some co2 and a tubeless repair kit.
I recently upgraded my bike to a 1x12 from 2x9, which has removed the front mech so I have space there but annoyingly no bottle cage mounts on the seat tube not sure what to do.

There is no 1 solution and it might take a combination of a few to get what works for you - plenty of stuff on this thread I'm shaking my head at, but also very aware that my solutions would be getting plenty of disapproving shakes as well.

no bottle cage mounts on the seat tube not sure what to do.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/DOM-Monkii-Corset-Handlebar-Adapter/dp/B0823SHY5H

For smaller/local/known blasts I take the simple approach of 'if something goes wrong I'll walk back to the car'. Therefore, its water bottle on the frame, EDC with spare quick link and just the tools attached are on the bike and then I've got my phone and car key either in my shorts pocket or I take the dakine lightest hot laps pack, or I leave the phone in the car and keep my watch on which has phone signal. The last time I wrecked tubeless I was in Italy riding and the time before that was descending Snowdon, neither of which I'd do with very minimal supplies so was therefore carrying more to fix the situation i.e. a spare tube! Nowadays if I'm doing a slightly different loop like something in the lakes or somewhere with more risk of issues I'd use the oneup strap to put a tube on and I attach the co2 cannister to the bottom of my EDC and then in either the hot laps or slightly bigger bum bag to carry more fluids I have the lezyne co2 attachment and a small pump for any adjustments.

That sounds intriguing, do you have a link?

My mistake, it's Dainese, not Dakine. Admittedly, it's basically just a strap on pocket but it is a good size and is compartmentalised, plus I have a habit of tearing pockets and breaking the zips on them.

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Haven't ridden with it yet, but it seems secure and comfortable enough.

IIRC I got from here...

https://www.bikestop.co.uk/dainese-leg-bag-stealth

plenty of stuff on this thread I’m shaking my head at, but also very aware that my solutions would be getting plenty of disapproving shakes as well.

Come on then, give us a chance! 😊

Haha, sorry, was hoping that the audience would just accept that my solutions are definitely wrong for them.

Ok...I've gone back to a skin top with pockets and lycra shorts for local rides. Larger water bottle in middle pocket, phone, music player and keys on a side pocket and the other pocket has a small pocket tool ( https://www.wiggle.co.uk/lifeline-switchit-keys?sku=100513938) - covers most things and a couple of Macaroon bars to chew on. I'm tubeless and I'm figuring the faff of fixing a flat is almost as bad as the walk home, so I don't take a pump or tube spares.

For longer rides, I've a Camelbak Skyline that carries 3ltr water, pump, tube, wee first aid kit and space for food supplies.

I do have a Bontrager bumbag (or whatever the fashion people call them nowadays) that has 2 side pockets and a water bottle slot in the middle - tends to get used for walking more than biking though.

So, more than happy for people to disagree with all that - works for me and I'm sure it won't work for others.

I'm assuming you've also a water bottle on the bike? I'd find a water bottle in a jersey pocket to be annoying in rather short time.

Music player? F*** that! I'm out in the countryside not at a night club.

Keys (plural)? What are you, a locksmith?, or do you carry keys for all the padlocked gates you come across? If I'm riding from home then I've the house key, if I've driven somewhere then I've the car key.

Joking of course (except for the music player bit).

Nope, nothing on the bike, all on me - even with it in the back pockets, it is lighter than the camelbak (as it should be as it is about 2 litres of water lighter!). I'm much rounder than I was in years gone by so the water bottle isn't felt and doesn't move as I ride (it does if it isn't in the middle pocket though). I never found a way to keep a water bottle clean when it was on a bike and the mixture of cow/sheep and potential dog waste on the bottle really doesn't appeal - so it is in the middle pocket and clean as it is covered as I've a baggier top on top (which I forgot to mention before).

Music is great when I'm trying to do a training ride, so it tends to get carted around with me. If I'm just out for a pedal then no music player, but it seems to help me stick to the training plan on a ride (N.B. Training in this case is just trying to get me fitter, it isn't training for any races).

Keys as there is a house key and shed key on the lanyard so they both go in my pocket.

As we have just proven - there is no 1 solution that works for everyone...that works for me, but won't work for everyone else.

As we have just proven – there is no 1 solution that works for everyone…that works for me, but won’t work for everyone else.

The real crime here is admitting to wearing lycra on a mountain bike

I use backpaks of all different sizes,but have just started trying a running vest setup (Raidlight).I don't like hip packs,but these vest/packs sit higher up and (for me) feel just right.I also like how easy it is to access a lot of the pocket storage spaces on the move.

Nah, it is comfy and it works very well...I've no interest in what the fashion police are trying to force on us as the next-thing-to-spend-money-on. I've also no real interest in how I look on the bike (I'm not really the right shape for a human anyway, so having matching anything makes no odds). I buy what works and don't really care if it matches.

I’ve no interest in what the fashion police are trying to force on us as the next-thing-to-spend-money-on.

I'm waiting for this one to go full circle and people (ie mags, manufacturers and 'influencers') to start extolling the virtues of a backpack so you can have a lighter, clutter free bike and not have to make sure you've stuffed your pockets with everything you need for a ride. Oh and not worry about having your water bottle covered in grit and poo.

Anyhow the major concern was this:

Larger water bottle in middle pocket, phone, music player and keys on a side pocket

as in a music player blarting out whatever lousy selection of choones you've decided should accompany your ride and be shared with anyone else in earshot? DezB would not be impressed, but that's a whole other thread.

No, an Apple ipod thing with some in-ear headphones. I do that so that I don't use my phone as my music source which means my phone battery lasts longer.

Or all 3?

Nothing for short rides.

Hip pack for longer winter jaunts (as it holds a down jacket and arm/leg warmers nicely).

Backpack for summer days out unless you're riding somewhere with reliable water supplies.

Pick what works and dont over pack it.

thepurist

I’m waiting for this one to go full circle and people (ie mags, manufacturers and ‘influencers’) to start extolling the virtues of a backpack

You're going to love this review: https://nsmb.com/articles/camelbak-chase-protector-vest/

I've been using a Dakine Drafter 10L hydropack for years but got a Camelbak Podium Flow fannypack for Father's Day it's great. Fits everything I need for a few hours out on the bike (mutli-tool, mini pump, keys, phone, snack + water bottle). I'll still use the backpack for longer days out but I'm totally sold on the bumbag now. Never really been a fan of strapping things to the frame and the bottle mount on my Mega is under the downtube so pretty much useless anyway due to it being hard to reach from the saddle... plus it's a mud/dog egg magnet.

I’m with the purist on this and waiting for the backpack to come back into fashion. I remember when camelbaks became popular and everyone was happy to not be stopping and having to drink out of water bottles covered in sheep shit. Still happily using my camelback rogue and mule and really don’t think about them when riding

Just because it was an improvement then, doesn't mean it'll come back into fashion. Some of the tools, pumps etc we used to carry about are a lot smaller now.

Sheep shit isn't an issue on the likes of a camelbak podium bottle, rubber cap fitted.

Rode the 96 miles of WHW last Saturday, used 2 podium bottles, I didn't want to use a bladder as I didn't know how much I'd have in it without digging it out, bottles are just easier sometimes.

I use a backpack for coaching and for rides where I'm likely to be carrying the bike, and for longer days out with the kids, but other than that I put everything in the rear pockets of my - gasp! - cycling jersey. Keys, wallet, phone, inner tube with levers, multi tool and mini pump, plus waterproof shell if the weather forecast dictates.

Golfie last weekend and I think I was the only person I saw who didn't have a bumbag/hip-pack thing.

Are they so much better than keeping stuff in jersey pockets? Do let you wear looser fitting tops?

I change my mind on this all the time . Currently have the EDC and a louri strap with a tube and levers and a bottle on the frame . But i have a small hip pack , osprey backpack with bladder and a restrap/cotic frame bag which all get used depending on how long/far from the car/changeable the weather is .

The one thing i cant shake is the need to carry a pump , i just have this irrational fear that i would end up spraying c02 around and needing to finish off with a pump anyway . any recommended easy to use c02 tools that can survive being strapped to a frame ?