[Closed] Seven hundred lumen Joystick

holy moly, having killed my joystick driver I would love a bash at this. watching this space! Would love to buy the parts off you if poss. I'm guessing the bugger must be the hole in the original driver board for the charge port? oh and the switch?

Joystick @ 700lumen + piggyback = win!

Bigjim

the switch I have not yet worked out the solution

Driver goes in the other end now got some finetuning to do but its looking OK at the moment.

Loving your work troutie. I'll have to sort out sending you my Hopes

That is quite frankly ridiculous.

Want.

Seeing as I have a Joystick and triple cell piggyback, I await pricification of this with interest 🙂

I'm not sure if piggyback would be usable, as I can't use them on my old Joystick version, which might mean it is something to do with the driver board that was added in later versions, so might not be there on the lflex driver if thats what troutie is using. Just hypothethithing though.

Mine's an '08 version (pre-Smart Port), works ok on that.

Want. Now.

Want. Now.

+1

Troutie, please stop.

Loving my new Darkness Dominator.

My Joystick is fine. At least thought it was!

Mines maybe 3 years old, pre smart port I think.

Watching with interest and wallet in a safe place.

Watching with interest and wallet in a safe place.

Mmmm.
My Mk1 Joystick could do with this upgrade.
Any rough idea on cost?

smart man!

Mine's an '08 version (pre-Smart Port), works ok on that.

Hmm interesting, but my god how much for an 18650 in a box?! I reckon a DIY bodge would be simples...

Brilliant!

nice cant wait to see what you can do with a maxx d 😆

i'm starting to develop a light fetish.........................

wow I have a Mk1 Joysick that would love a makeover 😀

details please Troutie if and when you work it out 🙂

Waits for another early morning email asking for another battery to have a play with! 😆

Yes please smudge send me some singles in as high a capacity as you can the one inside is a 2350 mah

here are the choices as I see them

max 2 amps setting lumens 686 runtime 1.5 hours
medium 1 amp lumens 392 rumtime 2.5 hours
low .5 amp lumens 207 runtime 5 hours

or
max 1.5 amps lumens 530 runtime 1.75 hours
medium .75 amp lumens 300 runtime 3 hours
low .35 amp lumens 150 runtime 6 hours

or
max 1 amp lumens 390 runtime 2.6 hours
medium .5 amp lumens 207 runtime 5 hours
low .25 amp lumens 150 runtime 10 hours

got it thermal sensing so dims if too warm 50c at the moment

also flashes the light 5 times when half depleted

still looking at the switch want a small membrane mom switch to glue in the cap .

Love it...........nice things Joysticks. I used to use one as a helmet light, until I borrowed the Spidereyes...............

Chris............charger (subtle eh?)

I vote middle setting.........

jeepers, is that my Joystick Trout?? please say yes! those pictures are crazy.
i vote for the highest setting, i'll use it on high for descents, and only get to nip out for 1.5 hour local rides in dark anyway!
look forward to battery change news!
great work, will be interested to learn your thoughts on piggy back battery use, i have a single cell already

Camerone no its mine now ( possession ) 👿

I have sorted the switching 😀

all progress now stopped waiting to see if Smudge can supply some single protected cells so reached a stalemate with it

its a little bugger to wire up my fat hands are not suited to keyhole surgery .

I have asked Taskled about the piggyback and waiting for an answer.
but think it will work OK .

Paul I have sent a charger out last week but if it doesnot materialise
soon will have to send another 😥

Ha Ha - I know where you live 😈
lets see how the battery pans out, the one in there is shot.
Cheers for your efforts so far

Chris if you sent it to Paul, that's where it's all going wrong. I'm Pete..............I'll keep an eye out for it and let you know when it arrives...

Same first letter 😕

OK will send another one wont be able to get to the PO today so will have to be fri

Is this an upgrade service that you can offer for other joysticks? If so, id be interested, as im sure many others would be.

have to say you do great work Trout, but with this one, beyond 'because i can', why?
you can pick up an xml torch from the bastids that have similar output, including 2 cells and a charger for 40 quid or less. they slot straight into a joystick mount if you want, and you can change the cell out half way through a ride if you get short on runtime.
not having a go, but it just seems like a lot of effort really, for not [i]much[/i] gain?

not having a go, but it just seems like a lot of effort really, for not much gain?

sometimes even you work hard ,you won't get a good ending ! 🙂

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Well that was a thread killer

I have a Joystick Chris and would be happy to blind squirrels with that............mmmmmmmmmm, sorry was imagining Spidereyes on hat, adapted stick on bars. How my mate's would laugh. Weird thing is when I had your loaned Cutie and Spidereyes I kept being asked to lead rides....can't think why.....

Trout - I have no interest in XML torches, keep bashing away!

I'd rather have a trout modified exposure than one of the cheap Chinese jobs, pretty much for the same reason I just bought an exposure over one of them. Build quality is better on the exposures, I would be constantly worried about the charging of the cells on the other types especially with the look of the chargers you get with them. A somewhat greater degree of thought will have gone into the optics/reflectors in these lights providing a more trail friendly and usable light for biking.
Keep up the good work trout.

fair enough. be a boring world if we all thought the same. i'm very pleased with my led converted lumicycle hid unit, used in conjunction with my cheapy chinese torch on my lid. 😀
each to their own.
sorry if i killed your thread trout. really do admire your willingness to explore, ask questions, and develop.

max 2 amps setting lumens 686 runtime 1.5 hours
medium 1 amp lumens 392 rumtime 2.5 hours
low .5 amp lumens 207 runtime 5 hours

Would certainly be interested in something along these lines, hope you carry on with the good work.

Cheers Del
you do have some valid points there .

but consider the Joystick owner whose lamp is a bit tired this battery replacement and led driver swop brings it upto date and like a new un
for the price of a cheap chinese light instead of it going in the landfill and I get a few beer tokens for the effort
same with the hope led swops

Here is a laff for you Pete (flashes got the name right this time )

its a hybrid spidereyes
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the other protos are at the machineshop so should be something coming after xmas

I have a mk1 joystick & love it, for a while I was wondering about getting a diablo but Troutie did the upgrade on my hope visions so right now I use those on my helmet, I do have a hankering to update the joystick though, it is so convenient and no extra battery packs etc so am watching this thread with interest & definately plan on getting the joystick upgraded

Ive also got a Mk1 Joystick and this upgrade is EXACTLY what Ive been waiting for. keep bashing away Troutie and let us know

Does the joystick upgrade still have a flash mode? My mk1 is getting a little long in the tooth but good to use for commuting all week and still have an OKish head torch for nightrides.

Yes it has a strobe setting 😀

Do you have to cut your way into these exposure lights?

I have a mk1 exposure Toro (single p7 led I think) that could do with an upgrade (could no doubt be a bit brighter, but more importantly needs a wider beam pattern), but it seems impossible to get into without some power tools....?

No cutting but not easy to unscrew the end caps sealed up with rubbery stuff and orings

put on a pair of marigolds 😯 for extra grip 🙂

Yeah, do these XML give a wider spread compared to the original LED (even keeping the original optics). Have a MaxxD that needs fixed (heatsink rattled loose) so id be interested in knowing if i could improve the spread somewhat at the same time.

See beamshots up top there
yes they do widen the beam a tad I have a maxd to explore but have as yet been unable to open it need some spinach and marigolds

Ace, if you want another to play with let me know :0)

let me know what you find inside the maxxd - only interested in the battery 😉 plus, how easy is it to open the battery end and resell after. Tah

Keep up the tinkering 8)

No cutting but not easy to unscrew the end caps sealed up with rubbery stuff and orings

put on a pair of marigolds for extra grip

you must have stronger hands than me troutie, I've only been able to get the button end off mine so far!

Hi trout, have you managed to get a new battery for this joystick?

camerone, smudge got me a battery for my joystick so have a chat to him, just needed to solder the protection circuit onto it and rebuild. I killed my driver board though, so keeping an eye on this thread!

Yep got the battery just struggling to get it to work with the switch
might have to change the switch I could do with an extra half inch in the joystick 😳

I could do with an extra half inch in the joystick

Ah, so familiar..........

So is the battery slightly larger and therefore not leaving room for original stuff?
I am getting excited about the end result now...........

Phew finally got it welded back together and out for a doggy walk works nicely so will pop it back in the post today for evaluation .

Camerone can you please send me your address I cant find it even under the fridge

Trout, have emailed my address. What power and battery times do you reckon it will have? I assume charge it in usual way, does the light on the back work as a fuel gauge and battery charging guide?

Will report my findings when I can!!

No idea yet thats for you to research for me .

there is no rear light now the main leds flash off 5 times when 2/3s empty.

and also flash when it is about to die but just how long to death I dont yet know.

Troutie, would be interested to see a parts list and how you did it if you can when you have some spare time, but nae worries if not.

Trout. Will have a play and report back. At risk of asking stupid question it won't damage battery running it to empty a few times will,it?

nope it will switch off at 3 volts so no harm

to switch on. its 3 quick clicks not 2
and press n hold to switch off

Hi-Jack

No wonder you're not replying to my emails.....you up to no good again 😛

Looking forward to seeing the 'hauted barn' phots.

Also, I want to buy some stuff off you Troutie; 3xXML, Bflex(have I got that right) and a tripple optic (if you have em)....gonna attempt the DIY lumi-hid...now all the boxes are unpacked, well nearly all of em 😉

PS: It's rubbish not having a shed 😥

Trout. Received joystick but strange goings on are afoot.
It worked out of the box as follows. Three click on, then single click to scroll between two settings, a longer click took it to a lower level, then single clicks to the higher two levels.
I then plugged it in to charge - the light on the charger went red as expected, then after half hour or so it started high speed flashing red, and now the joystick completely refuses to come on.... No amount of button pressing will get it to come on, it's as dead as a dead thing.. Any ideas?..

Kinda interested in this too.

Trout - have you had chance to ponder this problem above..?
cheers

Trout
Just checking you received my joystick back in the post for post mortem.
Cheers

Ok, joystick now back with me , went out for a pootle last night and can report as follows.
It fares well in the 'shine on the shed in the garden' test, incomparably brighter than before and closer to the Diablo mk3 I have.
I used it on the trails as a helmet light in conjunction with my Lupine Betty on the bars. Its a revelation, lovely focussed beam, no dark patches in the light, just a great spot light.
However, in order to test it I ran it full power and after 40 minutes it started to periodically flash, it still ran on high power but every ten seconds or so it flashed. At this point I put on the Diablo so don't know how long it would have gone on for, will do further tests.

In practice I would use the medium setting for non-downhill sections, I will see how that affects burn time. Haven't tried piggy back on it yet, again will try in due course.

Of course the Diablo only lasts an hour on full chat too, battery management is always going to be part of a powerful light with small battery, and I am confident that a combination on medium and full would get it to go well beyond an hour..

Will update next time used.

Sounds good. I'm not sure how long the XML + 18650 DX torch my gf has would last on full, probably about the same.

Troutie - any build tips coming? 🙂

So do you have pics of the joystick itself?
Can you just change the emiter?

Just wondering as I could be very interested to pimp up my 150lms 😀

Ive got an old Mk1 Joystick for sale if anyone fancies a bit of Troutie pimping.

Finalised now? how much for the upgrade Mr Trout? or should I mail you?

Ok, did another hour last night, in freezing fog, really eerie, would report as follows.

Fog was a pain, cannot use full power. Ran on medium setting, which is bright enough for majority of situations in conjunction with bar light. didnt even use high for descents as it was just too 'white' against the fog. after an hour still going strong. Medium is way more power than un-fettled joystick on high by the way

Not the most detailed analysis I know. Next Monday will plug in piggyback, run on high power and see how that goes...

Trout - want to email me and tell me how much to paypal you...

Can I just clarify something? When people are talking about "Mk1 joystick" do you mean the very original one - the one which came with a Luxeon LED? Very simple upgrade for one of those which I did with mine - simply replace Luxeon with a P4 to double the output.

Do you have more info about that aracer? I am very interested.

Will do Castone

Aracer yes a fair swop but we tried an XML and the lots lower forward voltage did not work with the onboard driver it though the led was overheating and dimmed the light so had to swop that also .

we tried an XML and the lots lower forward voltage did not work with the onboard driver it though the led was overheating and dimmed the light so had to swop that also .

I was assuming you'd swapped the driver board - didn't realise you'd even tried it with the built in one. Hence why the P4 upgrade is much simpler and cheaper.

I'll see if I can find any details - though I have a feeling I was the first (only?) to do it without any instructions, and I don't think I made any notes - I do remember it was awkward enough to take apart that I'm not repeating it! So I'm afraid you're largely on your own. A couple of quick little hints though - the driver board does just pull out if you get a bent safety pin behind it, and you need a bare SSC P4 LED (no star) which is a straight swap for the Luxeon already on there (I'm fairly sure I have some of those still if anybody wants - they're quite old so not the latest bins though).

For clarity the fettled joystick is a MK2.
its definitely not a MK1 as the rear port will accept ancillaries..

I don't think the MkII accepts the plugin toys either, I have one (P4 emitter) and I can't use the piggyback, red eye etc.

Troutie - if you can do a brief parts list/how to I will give you a back rub. If you can sell me the bits I'll give you money too!

mine is a joystick maxx2 . it has smart port technology. just looked and its written on the side. original full whack was 240 lumens

Holy thread resurrection batman.

Troutie, any chance of a parts list for this hack?