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Steer to a point and there is severe pull on the steering the wheel just folds under, certainly not a balanced front end you wouldn't want to take your hands off the bars. Cause and can this be rectified?
Forks the wrong way round?
Isn’t this just modern slack bikes? They don’t like to be steered, they like to be leant.
Large trail. Smaller fork offset will affect it. Or you can just ignore it and adapt. Can't imagine too many scenario's where you would want to take your hands off the bars and only really happens at the more extreme ends of the steering angles, so you're not likely to encounter it often. I only notice it on steep climbs at switchbacks. Never been an issue elsewhere on the trail.
Not the best advert for modern geometry this thread is it......
Not the best advert for modern geometry this thread is it……
I have a long travel modern geometry bike and don't recognise the OPs problem at all. Sounds to me like the brake hoses / gear cables are too short if there is severe pull on the handlebars while turning.
Hmm, while slack HA and a short offset does create some interesting handling in certain corners, I have a 64.5 HA 37 Offset on my bike and I am no less happy with the 'no'hands' handling than any other bike I have ever had. I don't think Scott are likely to be pushing it either HA wise.
Sounds like something is set up wrong. Some suggestions above but also check the headset is preloaded properly.
Have to agree with Benpinnik, I'm currently on 63.5 ha 29er and I've ridden it with 51 and 42 offsets, no really worrying pull from excessive wheel flop in either set up.
OP What front tyre are you using? I've found that a Magic Mary (or others with similar tread pattern) give a weird pulling sensation like you describe.
I also thought of the headset, check that's all good.
OP - I'd recommend you don't take your hands off the bars when you're steering anyway, unless you're in the circus or something.
Only challenging Scott steering I've had was the last gen gambler in slack mode... Riding it a low speed and it felt you had to lift the whole bike to get it from one steering direction to the other. No problem at the higher speeds it's supposed to be ridden at though.
Went back to a voltage as a park guiding bike for exactly that reason and even on my own I wasn't lapping anywhere near the speed the bike needed to be ridden at.
What bike did you have before? There could certainly be a transition period.
My first ride on a genius LT was interesting after jumping off a v2 regular genius.
Fwiw, Scott changed the fork offset spec on the genius in 2019 I think.
Can you post a video of slowspeed handsfree riding, that'd be amazing
I put a short offset lyrik on one at 160mm and had the same experience, could not get it to turn. Solved it in the most part by switching to 35mm long stem. Always felt a bit weird though.
What the OP describes seems to be typical of modern geometry bikes. My AM9 had some of it, my current Stumpjumper Evo does that a lot. Since my "front end evaluation" criteria is mostly how well it holds a line, how well it corners and how much energy and focus it needs to do what I want, I couldn't care less on it's behaviour riding with no hands.
One more thing, this current crop of modern geometry bikes corner much differently and with different inputs Vs the older ones. People used to ride motorcycles, specially MX and Enduro ones easily recognise this behaviour and adapt quicker