This interested me, so I had a look and you are absolutely right. About £1K less for a similar build (XT spec with ENVE wheels). All done on google shopping, so there's potential for further savings with some smart buying (and perhaps a small discount on the frame). That is, if you can get hold of some 650B ENVE rims.
They're an absolute piss take to be honest. Whilst I agree with Butterbean (why would you undercut your own prices) there has to be an incentive to buying a full build. The incentive with Jungle seems to be you can have a Bronsen. Otherwise (non full build) you can't
I don't have 9 grand, in fact I don't have any grand.
If I did I would test ride and buy it in a second.
flange, they did this with the Tallboy LT last year. The frames were available once the initial full builds had been sold. Didn't take too long.
The frames are being advertised by retailers with the following;
Stock Delivery due at Supplier: approx 22/04/13.
Obviously I dunno if/when they'll be available.
there has to be an incentive to buying a full build
Wholly agree.
My mate has just put an order in for a tall boy frame and then had serious thoughts about getting a Bronson. Speaking to the dealer they said that they won't get the Bronson frames to sell until November time because whilst they're all shipped as frames and then built up, all of them are either sold already or earmarked for full builds for shops.
I'd have a Santa Cruz if it wasn't for Jungle taking the piss so much on pricing.
See Jungle have always been great with me. They accepted a crazy offer on eBay on a brand new frame. Nearly £400 off listed price.
Plus they send me spare bits FOC.
Still I guess that's a sign of how overpriced the frames are
I'd have a Santa Cruz if it wasn't for Jungle taking the piss so much on pricing.
I shall look elsewhere if I can't get one from abroad next time. Shame, I really like SC bikes.
I fancy the Alloy one with a 150mm RS Rev 650b fork, 650b Hope Hoops Arch EX, and 2012 XT groupset of my current bike, would be fairly light I guess around 28.5lb ish 🙂
Not sure I'd fancy a 150mm 650B Rev - would want something less flexy, particularly for an aggressive bike like that
See Jungle have always been great with me. They accepted a crazy offer on eBay on a brand new frame. Nearly £400 off listed price.
Plus they send me spare bits FOC.
Still I guess that's a sign of how overpriced the frames are.
Me too, whenever I've called Jungle they've been very helpful and have also sent me parts I've needed free of charge. I can't fault the after sales service they've provided me so far.
from the sounds of it... most people on here ride £400 rock riders from decathlon, drive secondhand kias and spit and hiss at anyone who has the audacity to drive or ride anything which costs a penny more than is absolutely necessary to get the job done.
this is what happens with maggie thatcher dies...
whilst they're all shipped as frames and then built up, all of them are either sold already or earmarked for full builds for shops.
Or for warranty issues 💡
I haven't got 1 grand, never mind 9
even if I had I wouldn't buy it, purely on the principle I don't like being blatantly ripped off
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See Jungle have always been great with me. They accepted a crazy offer on eBay on a brand new frame. Nearly £400 off listed price.
Were good for me on warranty stuff too.
What's their EBay shop link?
Syncros
Syntace..
You blew your money on a load of crap. The Synatces are aimed at all mountain, your 18mm internal diameter 29er wheels are not. The 24mm internal diameter Syntace 29er wheels weigh 1700 grams.
Your paying considerably more for between a 100 and 200 gram drop on the ENVE AM wheels, an increase in stiffness that has arguable effects on ride quality and an increase in costs for associated with racing.
Plenty of people have also complained the ENVE wheels are to stiff resulting in deflection blasting through rock gardens and the claimed weights have been no where near the actual weights with many samples....unlike the syntaces.
Ooohhh, you're poor aren't you.
Not really as I can afford Syntace wheels which are pretty costly in their own right. My problem is with the whole "it's carbon - it's stiffer - it must be bettererz".
So much of this industry is based on image and marketing. Do you really want a wheel that by many accounts pings you around on rock gardens and deadens the feedback through the bike all at the same time.
I'd be quite happy to let people hop on the wheels I use and compare them to a set of another users ENVEs if you guys want over the summer. Just nothing that will result in me having to pay a fortune in repair costs.
In which case I think you should buy both and carry out your own testing...
It's a sad day when an adult human can afford to spend £9000 on a bicycle.
It's a sad day when an adult human can afford to spend £9000 on a bicycle.
Ahh, super troll - I've missed you
If someone brings along a set of the 21mm width DH rims that weigh 1700 grams and had to be designed to be a bit softer....then I'll quite happily put a wager down that out of 5 riders the majority of them will prefer the 34mm internal width 1800 gram Syntaces I'll be running over the summer.
Don't tell me you've bought one?
Of course I have
Yup I will be as the replacement costs are actually almost....just almost justifiable.
All I can say is, you'd better be a bloody good rider. Don't even think Peatys bike costs that much!
Can't believe it though, you could get a second hand Focus ST for nine grand!
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2nd hand Ford Focus, wow life don't get any better than that (gun to head pulls trigger)
It's a sad day when an adult human can afford to spend £9000 on a bicycle.
Surely it's a good thing some people can afford it? Better than nobody being able to afford it.
****ing hell Flange, I've just seen your bike! It's not even got any front OR rear sus! How is that worth nine grand? Or did your electrician have trouble installing your gears? 😆
Haha yeah - I woz robbed. It's actually more than 9 grand I think, I'd rather not know truth be told
Better off on 50mm rims FTW anyway 😉
OOOOOHHHHHHH a 2nd hand focus!!!!!111111
The 9k Bronson is a team replica bike. If you purchase it you are getting more or less the exact same bike as Ratboy, Peat and Minnaar.
If you can point me in the direction of where I can purchase a team replica Focus WRC car as driven by Petter Solberg etc. then please do let me know.
For regular riders who are not racing etc. Why not look at the Alloy Bronson frame and build it up with a deore groupset? You can probably get it built for under £2700.
Don't even think Peatys bike costs that much!
I dunno.....
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Wanna see pointlessly expensive and pretty shit wheels?
http://singletrackworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/sram-launch-roam-and-rail-wheels/
£1700 a pair. Not particularly light, wide, stiff or tough. £1700 a pair.
Last time I checked this was a free country, those who want a Bronson buy one, those who don't - well don't.
You could have the same conversation about any branded goods from Baked Beans to flash cars !
If you can point me in the direction of where I can purchase a team replica Focus WRC car as driven by Petter Solberg etc. then please do let me know.
Silly argument, the level of suspension and chassis technology and R&D that goes into the 9k Bronson is still no better than a 9k Kwak 636 - in fact most likely worse. The level of technology that goes into a race ready machine is well well beyond the level of technology seen in mountain biking. In downhill Sam Hill will probably still be competitive on a 3.5k Nukeproof Pulse compared to the 7-9k Treks, Santa Cruz's and Specialized bikes - you won't see that in motorsports. That extra money doesn't buy you the massive time decreases competent riders see when spending spending double to tripple on race ready machines in motorcycling.
Are you saying that Santa Cruz is worth this in terms of the amount of cutting edge technology you are getting?
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Buying that 9k build Bronson makes you a tool, it's as simple as that.
Buying that 9k build Bronson makes you a tool, it's as simple as that.
Really the politics of envy and trying to tell people what they can spend their money on is pathetic. Call msport in cumbria for a ralley car.
No my point was comparing a bike to a 2nd hand car is pointless.
The motorbike argument is silly though. We all understand economies of scale etc.
My point I guess was that santacruz make a bronson for all budgets.
Hell I would never buy one at 9k but I might get an alloy for 3k at some point - who knows.
I'm not sure why you think anyone is a tool for buying one? Are you jealous of those who can afford it? Do you hate Ferrari owners?
If you can afford it why not buy it 😕
but then I was told I was a chump for ordering a set of the new Pikes last week 😐
Where the hell does it end?
I know its Roadie stuff, but I've just seen these wheels - 4400 quid!
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You can get a ****ing Scooby for that much
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And the fact is, they'll probably be working so many hours to be able to afford them, they won't even get time to ride them. Absolute waste.
At least with a Scooby, even if you don't drive it everyday, it'll still be sat outside your house for people to admire and respect. Thats the beauty of having a top motor, it makes you feel good without even using it.
Dunno whether the same can be said of them bike wheels
At least with a Scooby, even if you don't drive it everyday, it'll still be sat outside your house for people to admire and respect. Thats the beauty of having a top motor, it makes you feel good without even using it.
A little too much froth on that troll I think, even by your standards. I don't see why you couldn't leave your expensive road wheels outside your house anyway. They might make a nice garden ornament or you could hang nuts from them for the itty bitty hungry winter birds. I might even buy myself a carbon Bronson and do just that.
We all understand economies of scale etc.
Judging by all the bikestores selling high end bicycles, a hell of a lot less supersports/superbikes get sold than mtbs.
Do you hate Ferrari owners?
Like Ducati owners Ferrari owners buy into the image as opposed to buying the best tool for the job. So yes, I think they're tasteless twunts with no class. Same goes for any other displays of gaudy Rooneyesque bling.
It's most definitely not the politics of envy, or even a case of the Fox and the Grapes. These bikes just don't offer anything other than a name and an aspiration - certainly not any performance benefits over a bike that costs 4 grand.
BWD you missed his point. Reread.
If I see anyone on a carbon SC they better be bloody good riders otherwise we should shout 'all the gear no idea' 😆
I went through some of the above arguments in my head last year before buying my Tallboy LTc.
£2700 frame cost, I kept tninking it's mental, look at all the other stuff I could use that money for -
Put the money towards a fancier car - the kids would only scratch it with ther bikes and abuse the lovely interior - making me sad
get a really nice trials (motor) bike - banned from all the forests around, can't lift it over a deer fence so no use for exploring. I'd still love one but accept I'd never really use it.
Boat - I prefer MTB ing on a nice day. Boat would clog up my drive.
So I got the Tallboy and have no regrets. Annoyingly though I haven't used it in months since getting a fatbike 😳
BWD you missed his point. Reread.
No, I got his point. This whole thread though can be summed up as: I saw a bike I liked, it was a lot more expensive than I thought, I can't believe bikes costs that much, blimey, it's more than a car or a motorbike and they are more complicated so should cost more. Repeat ad nauseum with odd digs at people who buy expensive bike. All I'd say is blame capitalism, not Santa Cruz. 😉
If I see anyone on a carbon SC they better be bloody good riders
I'm an average rider, and have a LTc AND a DW 5 spot. I'm not rich by any means.
otherwise we should shout 'all the gear no idea'
You'd get a lot worse back.
My L(ish)BS stocks ENVE stuffs. Sells a fair bit, too by what I can tell. The owner uses the rims and swears by them. He's (by some margin) the best rider I know and he hasn't broken any.
cant believe people are having a go at those with the 9k to spend on a bike, its only obscene if you cant afford it
comparing bikes to cars is a no go-er too, not everyone likes cars/could give a shite!
people have expensive 3-4k bikes with just normal jobs and normal everyday lifestyles, people who earn anything above 100k a year and have a partner who also earns great money, then 9k is absolutly nothing to them, well no less than somebody earning 25k a year with a 3.5k orange or similar!
the build at 9k + has absolutly top spec everything, the wheels are 2k alone, they have builds for every budget, the starting price is dear, but no more than most luxury frame builds, and the top of the range one, is just that, expensive and top of the range, what more is there to get?!?!?!
if i was earning alot more money than i do now, ala 100k i would probably have a 10k bike if i fancied one, why not?? its the thing i get the most pleasure out of, its the thing i like looking at the most (over cars) and its the thing i spend most my time on...so tell me why is it wrong to want to spend 9k on a bike if you can afford it?
as flange says, its sounds like sour grapes imo
you spend what you can afford, if cant afford it dont moan about it because others can
It's funny people saying they have a build for every budget - not really true is it.
It does look very nice and I wish I could justify the money but I'd have to be pretty minted. I could afford it right now but meant to be spending the money on a house, don't think the missus would be too impressed!
grum - but thats just it - your missing the point
they have a build for every budget - WITHIN the luxury frame genre that it is, the frame alone id guess is in excess of 2.5k right? therefor the budge build realistically is going to be another 2k for the fork/wheels and all the other kit
its not a budget bike is it?? its a high end 'luxury' bike, so within the luxury bike range it has a budget across that range, with the entry luxury budget base model, to a hi end all singing all dancing 9k model....
are people expecting that a 2.5k frame then have a full bike a for 3k in total??
the build at 9k + has absolutly top spec everything
[i]nearly[/i]
Hope hubs (whilst great) aren't top drawer. WTB saddle. Thomson carbon bars are going to be good, but at that price I'd expect to see ENVE bars.
if i was earning alot more money than i do now, ala 100k i would probably have a 10k bike
If I were mortgage free I'd probably have one. Like you say, if your bills are paid and family looked after, why not? You've earned the money; spend it on what you like. I dread to think what some friends of mine spend on beer, coke etc in a year.
I get all that. I think part of the issue for some people is that the pricing is 'aspirational' or whatever the correct term is. That frame isn't 'worth' 2.5k - it's priced that high because some people want to spend lots of money on stuff.
It's funny people saying they have a build for every budget - not really true is it.
Of course not, but then does any brand? Any budget implies including £50 supermarket BSO's.
I think 10/10 to bwaarp for completely missing the point though. He seems to forget the word 'choice'. By the powers of deduction, I assume he drives a worthless 30 year old car, and lives in a caravan, as these do the same thing as the more expensive options?
Also I shall make a point of informing one of my (self made, obscenely rich) friends he is a tasteless twunt because he has a number of Ferrari's (along with various other classics). Lets face it, they all do the same job as a Ford Ka, so why should he need anything more?
No one is forcing people to buy these expensive items. Some people buy them for show, some people buy them to use & abuse. Who cares.
i totally agree grum - i personally cant see how its worth 2.5k for a frame, i really cant see how any frame is worth that TBH, but they are and thats just how it is, you either go along with it and have one, or you dont
i cant afford to have one, but i know if i won the lottery, was in a position to have one (no bills etc as per wrecker) id have one, sure, why not? i love bikes, it keeps me fit, and i just love everythign about them, if i could afford it id have the best that money can buy, just like i would a ferrari for a car etc
people can aspire to have decent bikes, i have, and i dont earn an amazing wage by a long stretch, but ive worked hard to get it, theres absolutly no reason on this planet why someone earning 4x my salary couldnt have one if they really wanted it even at 9k
hell if somebody earning my wage, who doesnt have a car, lives at home, doesnt piss it up the wall/social life like ive got or something similar, then im sure they could afford one even if it was on 0% over a few years...
i really see no problem with it TBH, yes its a lot of money but if you can afford it, then why not?
Hey, leave us Ducati owners out of it! 😉
Can't be that bad a tool for the job if you look at WSB over the last 20 years, and I can still run well in the fast group on my old 748.
£9k bike in 'brilliant marketing exposure tool' shocker )
TBH very few of the frames or builds will be sold at full RRP, anybody with 9K to spend on a build will haggle it down to alot lower.
If you have that much spare cash you probably will be fairly savvy with your cash 😉
[quote=bedmaker ]I went through some of the above arguments in my head last year before buying my Tallboy LTc.
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So I got the Tallboy and have no regrets. Annoyingly though I haven't used it in months since getting a fatbike My Blur XCc is rarely taken off the garage wall these days - for much the same reason 🙂
If you have that much spare cash you probably will be fairly savvy with your cash
But then you might just realise that other brands offer much better value and at least equivalent quality.
Funny that I see loads of SC bikes under sponsored riders in the magazines and on the web, but very few on the trails. Hmmm, why are they so expensive I wonder.
Yeah, I was just joking. I thought someone had to step up to the plate and be that guy who can't get his head around the fact that some push bikes cost more than some cars etc.
Bwarrrp must be trolling though - Syntace wheels? Why would you care about them if you've got the money. You'd just buy the Enve's, if only because they look awesome and it's bound to get peoples backs up at trail centres and on internet forums.
But yeh, ATGNI types are great. They're happy because they have a really nice bike, and all the poor riders who can ride a bike properly are happy because it gives them an ego boost when they overtake them.
Same with cars aswell - loads of idiots who can't drive properly with really expensive cars. I've lost count of the amount of BMWs and Audis Ive overtaken, have done a few Porsches in the past aswell - and I drive an old Civic!
So yeah, don't get wound up if someone can afford really expensive gear! They're probably doing better than you at work (but worse than you at life in general).
But then you might just realise that other brands offer much better value and at least equivalent quality.
That's due to Jungle, not SC.
I had to run for a piss the other day, and I overtook a chap wearing £100 asics running shoes! I was wearing my converse! ATGNI
I had to run for a piss the other day, and I overtook a chap wearing £100 asics running shoes! I was wearing my converse! ATGNI
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Pmsl!
"Same with cars aswell - loads of idiots who can't drive properly with really expensive cars. I've lost count of the amount of BMWs and Audis Ive overtaken, have done a few Porsches in the past aswell - and I drive an old Civic!"
Did those idiots know they were in a race?! 🙂
Bwaarp - Where do you purchase your clothes from? Asda? I sure hope so. The jeans in Asda are no different from Levis. In fact some of them have an elasticated waist so you don't even need to have a belt saving even more cash!
Im guessing you purchase your shoes from the local bowling alley? When they replace the hire shoes you can probably pick up a slightly used set for £5.00. In terms of R&D a bowling shoe is not much different to a shoe from Asda.
Anyway no point going on. Arguing on the internet is lame. Im away to cycle my Carbon santacruz bike to marks and spencer to purchase my lunch.
Its pretty obvious its a race when I'm flashing my lights at them.
Some of them don't have the right mentality for a fast car though - you've got to own the road, not drive like a pussy.
One of my mates who's got a Scooby never lets anyone overtake him. Saying that, he usually drives fast just to shut his lass up and stop her from twining on at him.
My work colleague buys his lunch from M&S and I ALWAYS beat him at eating, and I get mine from Asda! ATGNI!
The reason why there is a £9k Bronson on sale is because there's an identified market for one. Even if they only sell one...
Some rock stars, bankers or railway executives need expensive toys, right?
Personally, even if I could afford one I still wouldn't buy one for exactly the same reasons why I wouldn't buy a Mercedes S600 or a Lamborghini even if I had the cash.
I'd certainly test ride one though, but if I were in the market for a bike at that price point I'd test ride everything I could get my hands on before parting with cash.
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Bet you don't even use a knife and fork either!
Jesus, what kind of ponce uses cutlery? Probably the same kind bourgeois idiot that wants a 9k bike.
Bet you don't even use a knife and fork either!
Knife and fork? I don't even use my hands. [i]That's[/i] how good I am....
When I started this thread I wasn't berating anyone who has £9k to spend on this bike, good luck to them, I just don't understand how a bike can physically cost this much? Shimano must be banging out thousands of XTR cranks so they can't cost so much due to their small scale production surely? I just can't get past looking at a motorbike with all it's technology and raw materials, costing less than a push-bike.
It doesn't cost that much. It's being sold for that much.
Most I can get the bik builder up to is £8259, I can get the alloy version to £7459 with all the upgrades.
The expensive option is the XX1 kit which isn't everywhere yet. Dropping to XT brings you back to £6000 with the base model back at £4800. This is still up specced from the standard US/World spec as it cames with Hope Hubs, we get cheap shimano on that spec level in the rest of the world.
Certainly over here there are not rooms full of built SC bikes waiting to be delivered like Spec/Trek etc. every part is an option. All SC have done is listed stuff they can get hold of and given it a price. If you spec the brand new top of the line component on every part of the bike it's going up in price.
As with the car thing, I can buy one for £500 but i can buy one for £500,000 both do the same, both based on the same principles.
To add to the anger..
£6000 [url= http://www.specializedconceptstore.co.uk/Detail/13sjht/stumpjumper/S-Works%20Stumpjumper%20Carbon ]for a hardtail from specialized[/url]
The Sworks Carbon Stumpjumper comes in at £5600 but only has an XX groupset and no carbon wheels.