[Closed] road rage,Woman blocks road and claims cyclist is attacking her

There both at fault for living in the big dirty city where everyone is on edge.

Grrrr

others live in more paranoid 'the world is out to get me' mindset.

You're referring to me in that statement, aren't you...

Not trolling.

FTFY

As for they were all there watch the video -= they have pulled out [ cannot tell when they arrive tbh but they may just be pulling to a stop behind her] but no one else is hugging the opposite side kerb whilst driving towards another road user.

Its ridiculous to claim her driving is anywhere close to the expected standard. Its as shit as your attempt to defend it

iolo - Member
singlespeed shep + 1

Not trolling.
She was just a bit early overtaking the parked car.
When the cyclist turned into the junction she was anticipating overtaking the parked cars so was in the right hand lane.
All the cars behind her were also in the same lane.
Were they all in the wrong too?

Yes - why move out to pass the parked car before you need to, when there's oncoming traffic?

Here's a good road rage incident. It's a cylist v cyclist though, we;re not all out to get at car drivers. No fisticuffs unfortunately, although he does use the helmet cam warriors secret weapon - the threat of a thirty pound fine.

[quote=iolo ]She was just a bit early overtaking the parked car

Just a bit early? Ah well that's OK then. I was just a bit early going through the red traffic light (before it changed to green) and a bit early overtaking the tractor (before the car coming the other way had gone past). Presumably that's all totally excusable and I'm in the right?

I'm not sure whether those calling the cyclist names have realised that he does all his swearing whilst stopped in the road where the driver can't hear him, whilst doing exactly the sort of gesturing some seem to suggest he should. When [b]she[/b] starts the conversation by opening her door as he goes past (presumably her window doesn't work - as a woman on her own she's not trying to confront him is she?) he's actually quite polite and restrained.

I ask again - for those who think the cyclist is wrong, what should he have done?

This explains why so many cyclists die on our roads.
Even fellow cyclists think they Should be treated like second class people and ride in the gutter.

I ask again - for those who think the cyclist is wrong, what should he have done?

Not stopped, just kept on pedalling (passing on the bit of road to the right) whilst giving a gaelic shrug if he felt so inclined and then erased the incident from his mind (and camera) and not bothered the internet gods with a bit more dross to hold onto in cyberspace.

She got it wrong, but really....

No idea why the cyclist is getting a hard time here.
he is COMPLETELY in the right. And his reaction? what reaction?

He is remonstrating against this 4x4 driver which has made no attempt TO STAY ON THE CORRECT SIDE OF THE ROAD, and on top of that stops on the extreme right not allowing even a centimetre of road to pass.
And if that wasnt enough she accuses him of being in the middle of the road and accuses him of threatening her??? mind boggling

+1 endurogangster
+1 aracer

I had a similar incident in my car the other day.

turned into a narrow road (parked cars both sides, only wide enough for a single car, two way street) to find a taxi blocking the road, sitting with its hazard lights on. I drove up to the taxi and stopped about a car length from him.

After about a minute of me waiting patiently and the driver not even acknowledging my existence his passenger gets in and he starts to move towards me. Because he had blocked the road I've nowhere to go except about 100 metres backwards.

He has to go back about two car lengths.

He starts gesticulating telling me to move back

I just sit there (I'm a good 25 minutes early for work so time is on my
side)

He start gesticulating with a bit more vigour.

I start eating a banana (I had my lunch on the passenger seat, although I really wish I'd had a newspaper!)

Taxi driver moves back the 10 metres or so he needs to. He mouths something to me that rhymes with "banker" but to be honest I'm too busy laughing to care too much

Cyclist was 100% in the right some people are just inconsiderate fools

So cyclist is riding along on the correct side of the road has to avoid park care and his way forward is blocked by clueless drive yet some on here feel the cyclist got it wrong. How stupid can you be FFS.

Not stopped, just kept on pedalling (passing on the bit of road to the right)

[quote=convert ]Not stopped, just kept on pedalling (passing on the bit of road to the right)

Seriously? When he's got past the mad woman does he stay on the right of the road or attempt to slot back between her and the car immediately behind her?

richmtb some of the young men around our way like to just stop in the middle of the road when they see their mates driving in the opposite direction, pull up (completely block the busy-ish road) and have a bit of a chinwag. Watched 2 do it the other day, lady driver drove up behind then, waited 10 seconds or so then gave a quick beep of the horn, one of the chatting drivers leans out of the car and starts shouting abuse at her. Cheeky wee scamps

he is not blasting past he is giving a gaelic shrug

Bloody cyclists and your refusal to disregard the law and not imperil yourself because of someone elses stupidity

****ers the lot of you she should have just kept going

I would have rode past her and honestly not given a toss and never thought of it again.

Hear, hear!

It seems as if the moment someone straps a helmet cam on for their commute, they become a shouty, angry, sweary confrontational asshat*. Binners makes a very valid point above re disclaimer.

*Or, perhaps it's only shouty, angry, sweary confrontational asshats that choose to do so. Who knows?

For all I know there could be hundreds of bad driving/cyclist incidents on youtube but they're not usually so entertaining so don't get posted up here. We only see the worst ones, which usually contain shouty swearing nonsense.

I have no issue with the woman being in the wrong, I just have issue with his behaviour thereafter. As far as I'm concerned once you start effing & jeffing, and getting into a rage you've lost the argument and are as bad as them.

God she is absolutely awful, what a headcase. And would appear to have a minor grievance with cyclists in general what with rolling out the old 'you don't even pay road tax' nonsense.

She saw him coming towards her, he wasn't in the gutter (not that he should be) so she put herself in that position right in front of him to try and prove her point thinking "there's no way I'm moving over for a cyclist".

The cyclist might be a little sweary for some conservative tastes but he's definitely not in the wrong!

The cyclist might be a little sweary for some conservative tastes but he's definitely not in the wrong!

That.

Dragon to be as bad as her he would needed to have jumped a red light, blamed her, thrown his bike through her windscreen then cried like a baby for his mummy

He , by a long long way, is the calmer of the two participants

Again what on earth does a driver have to do to get some on STW to not defend them/attack the cyclists response?

I thought it was brilliant when she tried to get rid of him by making out that she was being threatened and thinking that as soon as she played the 'woman on my own' card, he would go - and he just didn't rise to it. At all.
Fair play.

In other news - I can't believe there are some on here (presumably cyclists, but who knows) who thought that blocking the entire road was ok driving. She just drifted out without even noticing whether it might have been clear to do so or not.

I would have rode past her and honestly not given a toss and never thought of it again.

exactly, what she was doing wasn't in the slightest bit dangerous, she was inconsiderate, and in the wrong, but no harm done. The guy inconvenienced himself far more by stopping for a rant. A shrug of the shoulder would have sufficed.

Some people clearly just like to be confrontational, which isn't surprising if some of the people on here are anything to go by.

[quote=Junkyard ]he does not get in a rage and , by a long long way, he is the calmer of the two participants

This. I think some people need to watch the video again and pay attention to the conversation.

You're referring to me in that statement, aren't you...

tpbiker - Member
Some people clearly just like to be confrontational, which isn't surprising if some of the people on here are anything to go by.

Oh teh ironing

Some people clearly just like to be confrontational, which isn't surprising if some of the people on here are anything to go by.

It clear you dont want to be confrontational innit 🙄

the "driver" was clearly in the wrong, she should not have stopped and held up the traffic like that,

the "gentleman" on the bike should have set a good example by hopping onto the pavement, and pulling a one handed wheelie while giving the driver the finger.

its is almost guaranteed that many of those delayed drivers got really wound up causing them to drive like dicks and causing ever further road mayhem

any experienced road user could tell you this. 🙄

I would have rode past her and honestly not given a toss and never thought of it again.

Yep, but he had a camera on so had to act like some big man, and shout and swear for his Youtube vid. Well suppose he got his wish as we are discussing it, but sheesh what drama queen.

OK I got some headphones and listened to the audio, bloke was sweary at the start while there was atleast 6' and presumably a fair bit of soundproofing between him and the driver, when speaking to the driver he rarely swore, called her an arsehole at the end but with a fair bit of provocation (and video evidence to support this view). Argumentative certainly but when the driver is on the wrong side of the road and opens with "you're in the middle of the road" I wouldn't have expected him to reply with "well I see the point you are trying to make madam, however..."
She was just batshit, she's opened the door to sound off at the cyclist then when it doesn't go her way starts complaining about being threatened "help, help! woman on my own" while he's stood on the pavement out of the way of traffic and away from her.

The tragedy here is that he could quite easily have taken her apart in a reasoned logical discussion as she was 100% in the wrong. But it was never going to happen anyway as I'm confident she, along with every shit driver I've ever spoken to, just wanted to shout him down and once her spleen was vented, drive away, she wouldn't have listened to a word.

Dragon - you cal lhim a dram queen whilst she squeals about assault

Obvious troll is obvious [ and not worth a picture search
To save time obvious troll is obvious in denying troll claim

No one could actually think he is the dram queen - I ha

The cyclist, for me was in the right 100%.

He's by the parked car, she refuses to move. His options then are - break the law by cycling on the pavement, or...2. Break the law (I think), overtake an oncoming vehicle on the wrong side of the road with no visibility of traffic beyond her. His option then is to cut across traffic.

And she should already have saw him (she had 10 seconds to notice) before pulling onto the wrong side of the road. It was a blatant attempt to intimidate the cyclist.

Either way, she expected him to undertake a dangerous and illegal maneuver.

It's not a case of him making a stand, it's a case of not putting himself in danger. I wouldn't have moved. And the driver behind would appear to agree.

Speculating wildly, I'd say that she doesn't realise she's on camera - hence the attempt to paint him as a bad guy harassing a single female, wailing loudly and acting scared when, basically, other than choice language, he's been by far the calmest of the two.

STW amazes me sometimes - the variance of views, and the utter intolerance by some.

to the people suggesting that whoever gets to the obstacle [i]first[/i] has the right of way i suggest having a little read of the highway code before making a tit of yourself on a public forum in future

I thought he was spot on - she was being deliberately provocative, the way she drove, that wasn't an innocent mistake. Think I would have sat there until she said what I'd threatened her with. Did the bloke in the car behind her say "good on yer, man"? Top man. 🙂

hmmmm. if I'd have stopped and had that sort of argument everytime someone did that I'd never get to work!

Now, I was starting to get bored of the sheer number of commuting videos on youtube at the moment. but then last week a good mate has this happen...

Now, had there not been a camera, it would have been his word against hers. So I guess there is a merit in recording your commute. He got away with a broken nose and lots of aches and pains.

to the people suggesting that whoever gets to the obstacle first has the right of way i suggest having a little read of the highway code before making a tit of yourself on a public forum in future

Now, I was starting to get bored of the sheer number of commuting videos on youtube at the moment. but then last week a good mate has this happen...

Holly shizzle Jimbo. Awful crash and hope he got some compo out of her.

jimbobrighton, that car was on the wrong side of the road at the junction completely. Oh and your mate did an impressive number of rolls. Hope he and the bike are recovering well and the driver gets done.

but then last week a good mate has this happen...

(did watch the entire video craning my neck up in a subconcious effort to get him to reposition his camera)

Awful crash and hope he got some compo out of her.

Jimbo hope your mate is OK. Far too many drivers cut corners but that is shocking. Lucky escape and hope he heals well and soon.

@jimbobrighton - That's not nice viewing, healing vibes to your mate...

Back to the original vid though:

Like others I don't dispute the fact that the cyclist was in the right, and yeah he is far more restrained than the 4x4 driving mentalist...

I just question weather or not he would have engaged in the argument with her at all if He'd not been wearing the Headcam...

And that's really the thing, why is it not enough to know you are right and move on, ~60 seconds of shouty "Debating" with the hard of thinking won't sway their opinion or help the flow of traffic, pick the wrong individual and you may well get a slap too, so why bother, unless of course what you really wanted to post some conflict on t'interwebz...

I actually think helmet cam gathered footage of dangerous driving should be easily submitted directly to the police for them to act on, and each force should set up a unit to pursue offenders and bung in a fixed penalty notice, could be quite a good revenue generator IMO.

But one of the main conditions should be that the rozzers will only follow up on submissions where the camera wearer did not actively seek any form of confrontation (Verbal or Physical) after observing the event... Any footage should to be treated as evidence of an offense i.e. not posted up online...

People would probably conduct themselves far better if they knew there was a chance their actions would potentially be scrutinised by the Police rather then youtube viewers and forum numpties...

Record the offense, move on, email the footage to the police with your notes, if you do genuinely see helmet cams as devices for improving road safety and not just an excuse to try and provoke strangers...
As it is bad drivers probably don't believe they'll be prosecuted and hence just see helmet cam wearing cyclists as confrontation seeking, belligerent bellends, to be treated with contempt...

The cyclist was restrained in my opinion and if it were me I'd have escalated the incident when she starts the lone woman shriek ... Explaining I'm filming the whole incident so the police can see what an utter f ** ktard they're dealing with !!!

The more cyclists stand up to poor motoring the less we'll have to deal with in the
Future.. (Being as polite as you can of course) but it's hard at times when your getting cut up every few minutes on our congested roads 🙁

Thing is cookeaa in the majority of cases where no-one was injured* the police [s]couldn't give a ****[/s] dont have the resources available to chase these drivers. So a bit of verbal chastisement and posting on youtube is as far as you can take it.

I don't wear a cam and have tried to discuss/argue with a few drivers and I'm really not normally an angry/confrontational person. Mixture of the adrenaline spike and the rather annoying knowledge that someone just put you in great jeopardy just to move a few feet forward in the queue of commuter traffic. It's not ideal and it certainly doesn't help your eloquence in trying to put your side across but it is what it is and I don't think it has anything at all to do with a video being strapped to your helmet.

*even where no-one was injured in plenty of cases there's evidence of careless/dangerous driving which should be dealt with, next time someone may get hurt.

I don't think for one moment she saw him approaching and when she did it was too late because she was committed to passing the parked cars and there was another car behind her and another one behind that and so on and so forth

Yes she was wrong and it was an awkward situation but the cyclist made it worse.

As others have said put it down to life's rich tapestry and move on

But one of the main conditions should be that the rozzers will only follow up on submissions where the camera wearer did not actively seek any form of confrontation (Verbal or Physical) after observing the event... Any footage should to be treated as evidence of an offense i.e. not posted up online...

So you're saying that if Jimbo's mate up thread had call the other driver a nasty name his video should be ignored?

She saw him coming towards her, he wasn't in the gutter (not that he should be) so she put herself in that position right in front of him to try and prove her point thinking "there's no way I'm moving over for a cyclist".

This does seem to be the case. If you watch it, she moves closer to the curb after seeing him. I assume, to intentionally block him in as a punishment for being on the road or something? 😕

It's easy to say hop up on the curb, but on a road bike it would be just as easy to find yourself on your face trying this, and going round to the right you've got to pass through the oncoming traffic again, which they'll not be expecting. She started the confrontation. To be honest, if someone did that that to me and I was in the car, I'd be getting ready to reverse out of there in case they're some kind of nutter. It's a very provocative stance to take.

rocketman when she stopped she was still 1.5-2 car lengths from the parked car (check 16-18seconds of the vid), she had room to pull over let the cyclist through and still get around the parked cars without having to reverse, she stopped there specifically to get in the cyclists way (or she is a completely inept driver and shouldn't have a licence)

[quote=rocketman ]the cyclist made it worse.

In what way, and what could he have done to avoid that?

[quote=D0NK ]she stopped there specifically to get in the cyclists way

This. As mentioned by butcher she actually moves further in to the kerb, and then does the bit about road tax, from which it's reasonable to assume that she thinks she has RoW because she's in a car.

To those suggesting the cyclist wouldn't have had the argument without the cam - rubbish. I think an awful lot of cyclists (myself included) would have stopped to discuss once [b]she[/b] confronted him by opening the door, camera or no camera.

forms commuting club with DONK and aracer- what they say basically.

I haven't read every post but have seen the video.
I'm not sure how much the incident has got to do with him being a cyclist. I've had this happen to me several times in a car and the bike. Sometimes it's just an aggressive driver just forcing there way through. Most of the time however it's usually a nervous and incompetent driver who isn't aware of what's going on and blindly pulls, invariably if you don't make way they get flustered because they don't even have the skills / confidence to reverse back.
These drivers can usually be identified by the fact that they have there hands clamp to the wheels, always looking forwards without actually 'seeing', never look in there mirrors, or what is going on around them.

I wonder if her hi viz was to warn other road users away?

Bigger issues at stake, obviously, but it's 'here, here', not 'hear, hear'.

Is it? What is that short for then?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hear,_hear

It's hear hear. Here here would make no sense whatsoever, would it?

Ooh! I thought I knew it meant 'I agree over here'. Still have a strong feeling I'm right, but won't get all sweary about it.

unless you are going to drag a car driver from their car and beat em to their senses any converstaion is a waste of your time.
youtube seems to be full of angry cyclists looking for altercation.
drivers dont care.
ride defensively and ignore em,
hop on pavement get past then back on the road would have saved all the anger.

[quote=merynella ]Ooh! I thought I knew it meant 'I agree over here'. Still have a strong feeling I'm right, but won't get all sweary about it.
You're wrong.

HTH

Hear, hear. (To the last but one post). To the previous post... well done for getting 'you're' correct.

You'd "call" someone for being racist right. Right? So why not call them out when they try to bully you off the road?
Should we all just meekly let shit drivers force us of the road?
And as said above, she opens the door to start an argument, and cycling on the pavements illegal.

If councils didn't insist on putting parking bays in such stupid places, such incidents would happen a lot less often.
Sometimes lane markings and road layouts are completely non-sensical and serve only to encourage behaviour that goes completely against common sense - not to mention the highway code.

Hear, hear vs. here, here
Hear, hear (usually with a comma and set apart as a self-contained sentence) is the conventional spelling of the colloquial exclamation used to express approval for a speaker or sentiment. It’s essentially short for hear him, hear him or hear this, hear this, where these phrases are a sort of cheer.
Here, here is widely regarded as a misspelling, although it is a common one, and there are ways to logically justify its use. But for what it’s worth, hear, hear is the original form (the Oxford English Dictionary cites examples going back to the 17th century) and is the one listed in dictionaries. English reference books mention here, here only to note that it’s wrong.

I thought he handled that fairly well. Kept his cool, didn't get too abusive.

Heer heer

Cyclist may have been in the right but acted like a dick. I would have just gone on the pavement and carried on with the commute rather than have a pointless rant

Re 'here, here' vs 'hear, here': I yield.

I'd have gone up onto the path & shook my head at her.
Like most on here would.
Not worth the hassle.

She'll come across the wrong type one day, likewise he'll end up on someone's bonnet blocking the road with his pedantry.

blocking the road with his pedantry.

PS what does a pedantry look like? Is it a breed of dog or something?

Cyclist may have been in the right but acted like a dick.

I would have just gone on the pavement

If you listen to her reasoning it basically comes down to "I'm a driver, your a cyclist therefore I have priority"

While so many seem to be labelling him a dick, he was just standing up against being bullied, if cyclists keep just turning the other cheek it just reinforces the perception of many car drivers that they can force us off the roads because cars have priority.

Whenever I see threads like this I often wonder how many posters actually ride bikes.

Whenever I see threads like this I often wonder how many posters actually ride bikes.

I am also confused why everyone is accusing him of ranting she opens her door to start the conversation as he tries to get past whilst on the wrong side of the road, with her side still clear and space to pull into to moan at him for being in the middle of the road 😯 In reality he is legally where he should be she legally in the wrong place and she ends up shouting about assault after mentioning road tax

+1 for Donk, MSP & JY

somebody give that daft bint an Oscar for the great bit of acting towards the end.....then bosh her on the head with it to knock some sense into her....as for the cyclist...i probably would have reacted the in same way....does that make me a tool also?

hope Jimbo's friend is ok.

Who here really wouldn't have been more than annoyed had some driver, who was unquestionably in the wrong, exclaimed loudly 'but I'm a driver!' as part of his/her defence? By all accounts that is exactly what riles up fellow STWers, yet here many of you are deriding the cyclist for being angry stating that you would have simply hopped up on the curb and cycled happily away.

How many actual cyclists use this forum?

yet here many of you are deriding the cyclist for being angry stating that you would have simply hopped up on the curb and cycled happily away.

How many actual cyclists use this forum?

I said I'd ride past and forget about it. Not because of who i believe is in the right or wrong but because I have more important things to worry about in my life.

I'm a cyclist btw,

Haven't we discussed this chap before, or am I misremembering? Wheeled warrior going round looking for confrontation, bellowing registration numbers?

Anyway. In terms of road rage, the cyclist completely overreacted first of all. All other things being equal, if I'd have been the woman and was faced with some gobshite bawling and swearing and pointing his flappy arms about then I'd have probably have yelled straight back at him too. Wholly unnecessary and achieves nothing other than to antagonise other road users and reinforce the opinion (however incorrect) that we shouldn't be there.

That said. As far as I can tell, she saw him coming and deliberately moved over to the kerb to block him off. She's pulled out far earlier than she needed to and moved over further than necessary. She's clearly seen him, otherwise she wouldn't have slowed, and there's ample room for her to just correct her course and carry on if it's an honest mistake. I fail to see any justification at all for this sort of behaviour. What was she thinking, what did she expect? It's bullying, pure and simple. I don't blame him for standing his ground, I would have done so as well. I haven't put up with bullies since my school days and I'm damned if I'm going to start doing so a couple of decades later.

What could he have done? Only option really is to just wait it out, she's plenty of space to move into. A few here have said "hop onto the pavement," can't do that, it's illegal. Go round the right? Sure, and then you're on the wrong side of the road facing oncoming traffic, that seems safe and sensible.

It's not clear from the video, but it looks to me like he dismounts and wheels the bike past her. She then opens the door to block his path. She's determined to have a pop at him and, when that fails, starts yelling all sorts of nonsense in the hope that, what, I don't even know, passers-by my jump to her defence?

So yeah. From a roadcraft point of view he's wholly in the right and she's wholly in the wrong. From a road rage perspective they both could've behaved a lot better. He might well be right, but he's going to get a good hiding sooner or later if he doesn't calm down a bit.

I think I'd have done similar. When she blocked my path I'd have just stood there astride the bike and just folded my arms and wait it out.

I've done it in the car before now when some clown decided to push past a pinch point in the hope that I would drive my car into some (potentially) bottomless ditch at the side of the road so he could get past. He backed up....
As cougar says, bullies need to be stopped and at 41 im damned if im going to be the victim!

Haven't we discussed this chap before, or am I misremembering? Wheeled warrior going round looking for confrontation, bellowing registration numbers?

no i think that's a different accent. the guy in the video has an Irish accent wheras the guy you're thinking off had a very nasal southern accent...i think...
but nevertheless a well worded post Cougar.

I'd hope as a cyclist I'd not waste much time discussing it with her - she is clearly a loon who isn't going to be persuaded.

Hopping on the clear pavement to get past is completely reasonable

Might be worth getting the video to the fuzz and insisting on a visit.

the cyclist completely overreacted first of all.

All other things being equal, if I'd have been the woman and was faced with some gobshite bawling and swearing and pointing his flappy arms about then I'd have probably have yelled straight back at him too

Had I been the car driver i would have just returned to my side of the road looking sheepish whilst apologising. Sometime we make mistakes when driving [ though this is clearly an intentional and deliberate act] when I am the one who did this I accept it is my fault and apologise. I dont flip the bird and get angry at the victim of my shit driving no matter how they react.

TBH I am bit confused by your post you blame him then accept she is completely wrong.

No wonder i never understand moderation on here 😉

What Cougar said.

It's called a nuanced view JY - not everything is black and white you know. 😉

The woman is a complete idiot but him getting all sweary and wavy-army isn't helping anyone.

The 'good on you lad' from the other driver gave me a little lol.