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So cyclist is riding along on the correct side of the road has to avoid park care and his way forward is blocked by clueless drive yet some on here feel the cyclist got it wrong. How stupid can you be FFS.
and meet oncoming traffic whilst on the wrong side of the road? Like I said maybe do that [i]slowly and carefully[/i] if you're not concerned about the initial "incident" but not just blast past regardless.Not stopped, just kept on pedalling (passing on the bit of road to the right)
[quote=convert ]Not stopped, just kept on pedalling (passing on the bit of road to the right)
Seriously? When he's got past the mad woman does he stay on the right of the road or attempt to slot back between her and the car immediately behind her?
richmtb some of the young men around our way like to just stop in the middle of the road when they see their mates driving in the opposite direction, pull up (completely block the busy-ish road) and have a bit of a chinwag. Watched 2 do it the other day, lady driver drove up behind then, waited 10 seconds or so then gave a quick beep of the horn, one of the chatting drivers leans out of the car and starts shouting abuse at her. Cheeky wee scamps
he is not blasting past he is giving a gaelic shrug
Bloody cyclists and your refusal to disregard the law and not imperil yourself because of someone elses stupidity
****ers the lot of you she should have just kept going
I would have rode past her and honestly not given a toss and never thought of it again.
Hear, hear!
It seems as if the moment someone straps a helmet cam on for their commute, they become a shouty, angry, sweary confrontational asshat*. Binners makes a very valid point above re disclaimer.
*Or, perhaps it's only shouty, angry, sweary confrontational asshats that choose to do so. Who knows?
For all I know there could be hundreds of bad driving/cyclist incidents on youtube but they're not usually so entertaining so don't get posted up here. We only see the worst ones, which usually contain shouty swearing nonsense.
I have no issue with the woman being in the wrong, I just have issue with his behaviour thereafter. As far as I'm concerned once you start effing & jeffing, and getting into a rage you've lost the argument and are as bad as them.
God she is absolutely awful, what a headcase. And would appear to have a minor grievance with cyclists in general what with rolling out the old 'you don't even pay road tax' nonsense.
She saw him coming towards her, he wasn't in the gutter (not that he should be) so she put herself in that position right in front of him to try and prove her point thinking "there's no way I'm moving over for a cyclist".
The cyclist might be a little sweary for some conservative tastes but he's definitely not in the wrong!
The cyclist might be a little sweary for some conservative tastes but he's definitely not in the wrong!
That.
Dragon to be as bad as her he would needed to have jumped a red light, blamed her, thrown his bike through her windscreen then cried like a baby for his mummy
He , by a long long way, is the calmer of the two participants
Again what on earth does a driver have to do to get some on STW to not defend them/attack the cyclists response?
I thought it was brilliant when she tried to get rid of him by making out that she was being threatened and thinking that as soon as she played the 'woman on my own' card, he would go - and he just didn't rise to it. At all.
Fair play.
In other news - I can't believe there are some on here (presumably cyclists, but who knows) who thought that blocking the entire road was ok driving. She just drifted out without even noticing whether it might have been clear to do so or not.
I would have rode past her and honestly not given a toss and never thought of it again.
exactly, what she was doing wasn't in the slightest bit dangerous, she was inconsiderate, and in the wrong, but no harm done. The guy inconvenienced himself far more by stopping for a rant. A shrug of the shoulder would have sufficed.
Some people clearly just like to be confrontational, which isn't surprising if some of the people on here are anything to go by.
[quote=Junkyard ]he does not get in a rage and , by a long long way, he is the calmer of the two participants
This. I think some people need to watch the video again and pay attention to the conversation.
You're referring to me in that statement, aren't you...
Oh, bravo! 😀
tpbiker - Member
Some people clearly just like to be confrontational, which isn't surprising if some of the people on here are anything to go by.
Oh teh ironing
Some people clearly just like to be confrontational, which isn't surprising if some of the people on here are anything to go by.
Its the best troll and passive aggressive comment so far on this thread.
It clear you dont want to be confrontational innit 🙄
the "driver" was clearly in the wrong, she should not have stopped and held up the traffic like that,
the "gentleman" on the bike should have set a good example by hopping onto the pavement, and pulling a one handed wheelie while giving the driver the finger.
its is almost guaranteed that many of those delayed drivers got really wound up causing them to drive like dicks and causing ever further road mayhem
any experienced road user could tell you this. 🙄
I would have rode past her and honestly not given a toss and never thought of it again.
Yep, but he had a camera on so had to act like some big man, and shout and swear for his Youtube vid. Well suppose he got his wish as we are discussing it, but sheesh what drama queen.
OK I got some headphones and listened to the audio, bloke was sweary at the start while there was atleast 6' and presumably a fair bit of soundproofing between him and the driver, when speaking to the driver he rarely swore, called her an arsehole at the end but with a fair bit of provocation (and video evidence to support this view). Argumentative certainly but when the driver is on the wrong side of the road and opens with "you're in the middle of the road" I wouldn't have expected him to reply with "well I see the point you are trying to make madam, however..."
She was just batshit, she's opened the door to sound off at the cyclist then when it doesn't go her way starts complaining about being threatened "help, help! woman on my own" while he's stood on the pavement out of the way of traffic and away from her.
The tragedy here is that he could quite easily have taken her apart in a reasoned logical discussion as she was 100% in the wrong. But it was never going to happen anyway as I'm confident she, along with every shit driver I've ever spoken to, just wanted to shout him down and once her spleen was vented, drive away, she wouldn't have listened to a word.
Dragon - you cal lhim a dram queen whilst she squeals about assault
Obvious troll is obvious [ and not worth a picture search
To save time obvious troll is obvious in denying troll claim
No one could actually think he is the dram queen - I ha
The cyclist, for me was in the right 100%.
He's by the parked car, she refuses to move. His options then are - break the law by cycling on the pavement, or...2. Break the law (I think), overtake an oncoming vehicle on the wrong side of the road with no visibility of traffic beyond her. His option then is to cut across traffic.
And she should already have saw him (she had 10 seconds to notice) before pulling onto the wrong side of the road. It was a blatant attempt to intimidate the cyclist.
Either way, she expected him to undertake a dangerous and illegal maneuver.
It's not a case of him making a stand, it's a case of not putting himself in danger. I wouldn't have moved. And the driver behind would appear to agree.
Speculating wildly, I'd say that she doesn't realise she's on camera - hence the attempt to paint him as a bad guy harassing a single female, wailing loudly and acting scared when, basically, other than choice language, he's been by far the calmest of the two.
STW amazes me sometimes - the variance of views, and the utter intolerance by some.
to the people suggesting that whoever gets to the obstacle [i]first[/i] has the right of way i suggest having a little read of the highway code before making a tit of yourself on a public forum in future
I thought he was spot on - she was being deliberately provocative, the way she drove, that wasn't an innocent mistake. Think I would have sat there until she said what I'd threatened her with. Did the bloke in the car behind her say "good on yer, man"? Top man. 🙂
hmmmm. if I'd have stopped and had that sort of argument everytime someone did that I'd never get to work!
Now, I was starting to get bored of the sheer number of commuting videos on youtube at the moment. but then last week a good mate has this happen...
Now, had there not been a camera, it would have been his word against hers. So I guess there is a merit in recording your commute. He got away with a broken nose and lots of aches and pains.
to the people suggesting that whoever gets to the obstacle first has the right of way i suggest having a little read of the highway code before making a tit of yourself on a public forum in future
Observationally, I would say not only did he get to (and clear) the obstacle before the woman did, he also had right of way.
Now, I was starting to get bored of the sheer number of commuting videos on youtube at the moment. but then last week a good mate has this happen...
Flinkin blip! That's nasty, hope he's ok.... 🙁
Holly shizzle Jimbo. Awful crash and hope he got some compo out of her.
jimbobrighton, that car was on the wrong side of the road at the junction completely. Oh and your mate did an impressive number of rolls. Hope he and the bike are recovering well and the driver gets done.
'kin heeeeeeell that's allsorts of shitty driving.but then last week a good mate has this happen...
(did watch the entire video craning my neck up in a subconcious effort to get him to reposition his camera)
chatting to a guy at work about my crash the other week, just a busted lip so no claim for injury, he said I was stupid for not claiming, I pointed out I didn't like insurance fraud, he told me when he was hit he was absolutely truthful, couple of bruises that ached for a few days, they gave him a grand!Awful crash and hope he got some compo out of her.
Jimbo hope your mate is OK. Far too many drivers cut corners but that is shocking. Lucky escape and hope he heals well and soon.
@jimbobrighton - That's not nice viewing, healing vibes to your mate...
Back to the original vid though:
Like others I don't dispute the fact that the cyclist was in the right, and yeah he is far more restrained than the 4x4 driving mentalist...
I just question weather or not he would have engaged in the argument with her at all if He'd not been wearing the Headcam...
And that's really the thing, why is it not enough to know you are right and move on, ~60 seconds of shouty "Debating" with the hard of thinking won't sway their opinion or help the flow of traffic, pick the wrong individual and you may well get a slap too, so why bother, unless of course what you really wanted to post some conflict on t'interwebz...
I actually think helmet cam gathered footage of dangerous driving should be easily submitted directly to the police for them to act on, and each force should set up a unit to pursue offenders and bung in a fixed penalty notice, could be quite a good revenue generator IMO.
But one of the main conditions should be that the rozzers will only follow up on submissions where the camera wearer did not actively seek any form of confrontation (Verbal or Physical) after observing the event... Any footage should to be treated as evidence of an offense i.e. not posted up online...
People would probably conduct themselves far better if they knew there was a chance their actions would potentially be scrutinised by the Police rather then youtube viewers and forum numpties...
Record the offense, move on, email the footage to the police with your notes, if you do genuinely see helmet cams as devices for improving road safety and not just an excuse to try and provoke strangers...
As it is bad drivers probably don't believe they'll be prosecuted and hence just see helmet cam wearing cyclists as confrontation seeking, belligerent bellends, to be treated with contempt...
The cyclist was restrained in my opinion and if it were me I'd have escalated the incident when she starts the lone woman shriek ... Explaining I'm filming the whole incident so the police can see what an utter f ** ktard they're dealing with !!!
The more cyclists stand up to poor motoring the less we'll have to deal with in the
Future.. (Being as polite as you can of course) but it's hard at times when your getting cut up every few minutes on our congested roads 🙁
Thing is cookeaa in the majority of cases where no-one was injured* the police [s]couldn't give a ****[/s] dont have the resources available to chase these drivers. So a bit of verbal chastisement and posting on youtube is as far as you can take it.
I don't wear a cam and have tried to discuss/argue with a few drivers and I'm really not normally an angry/confrontational person. Mixture of the adrenaline spike and the rather annoying knowledge that someone just put you in great jeopardy just to move a few feet forward in the queue of commuter traffic. It's not ideal and it certainly doesn't help your eloquence in trying to put your side across but it is what it is and I don't think it has anything at all to do with a video being strapped to your helmet.
*even where no-one was injured in plenty of cases there's evidence of careless/dangerous driving which should be dealt with, next time someone may get hurt.
I don't think for one moment she saw him approaching and when she did it was too late because she was committed to passing the parked cars and there was another car behind her and another one behind that and so on and so forth
Yes she was wrong and it was an awkward situation but the cyclist made it worse.
As others have said put it down to life's rich tapestry and move on
But one of the main conditions should be that the rozzers will only follow up on submissions where the camera wearer did not actively seek any form of confrontation (Verbal or Physical) after observing the event... Any footage should to be treated as evidence of an offense i.e. not posted up online...
So you're saying that if Jimbo's mate up thread had call the other driver a nasty name his video should be ignored?
She saw him coming towards her, he wasn't in the gutter (not that he should be) so she put herself in that position right in front of him to try and prove her point thinking "there's no way I'm moving over for a cyclist".
This does seem to be the case. If you watch it, she moves closer to the curb after seeing him. I assume, to intentionally block him in as a punishment for being on the road or something? 😕
It's easy to say hop up on the curb, but on a road bike it would be just as easy to find yourself on your face trying this, and going round to the right you've got to pass through the oncoming traffic again, which they'll not be expecting. She started the confrontation. To be honest, if someone did that that to me and I was in the car, I'd be getting ready to reverse out of there in case they're some kind of nutter. It's a very provocative stance to take.
rocketman when she stopped she was still 1.5-2 car lengths from the parked car (check 16-18seconds of the vid), she had room to pull over let the cyclist through and still get around the parked cars without having to reverse, she stopped there specifically to get in the cyclists way (or she is a completely inept driver and shouldn't have a licence)
[quote=rocketman ]the cyclist made it worse.
In what way, and what could he have done to avoid that?
[quote=D0NK ]she stopped there specifically to get in the cyclists way
This. As mentioned by butcher she actually moves further in to the kerb, and then does the bit about road tax, from which it's reasonable to assume that she thinks she has RoW because she's in a car.
To those suggesting the cyclist wouldn't have had the argument without the cam - rubbish. I think an awful lot of cyclists (myself included) would have stopped to discuss once [b]she[/b] confronted him by opening the door, camera or no camera.
forms commuting club with DONK and aracer- what they say basically.
I haven't read every post but have seen the video.
I'm not sure how much the incident has got to do with him being a cyclist. I've had this happen to me several times in a car and the bike. Sometimes it's just an aggressive driver just forcing there way through. Most of the time however it's usually a nervous and incompetent driver who isn't aware of what's going on and blindly pulls, invariably if you don't make way they get flustered because they don't even have the skills / confidence to reverse back.
These drivers can usually be identified by the fact that they have there hands clamp to the wheels, always looking forwards without actually 'seeing', never look in there mirrors, or what is going on around them.
I wonder if her hi viz was to warn other road users away?
Bigger issues at stake, obviously, but it's 'here, here', not 'hear, hear'.
It's hear hear. Here here would make no sense whatsoever, would it?