Been riding MTB's for 20yrs. Always used flat pedals and I love it/never had an issue.
Took up road cycling to keep my winter fitness up and decided to try clipless. I hated it. Couldn't concentrate on the ride, fell off twice as I couldn't unclip. Then couldn't clip back in.
And my knee now hurts.
So I put the flats back on. (I know mtfu).
Anyone want a set of Look pedals, used once 😀
It's really not that hard.
Give it a couple more goes.
i have started using spd's again after a few years on flats.
my feet go numb, my feet get cold far quicker, i am more nervous, especially on the round going round corners, i dont feel as comfy, walking into pubs on slippy hard soles is crap.
think i may be on flats again soon.
Mtfu and learn, oh padowan.
road pedals are different from MTB ones.
everyone falls off when they first get them
I found it weird riding on flats after years and my foot used to slip off on the down stroke pedal as i was used to being clipped in
Its essential for road use IMHO MTB less so
Flats are better on some rides.
Clipless are better on some rides.
That's a scientific fact, people.
Old dog, new tricks etc. Maybe I am beyond help 🙂
Keep at it, it will get easier.
Flats on MTBs are good (though I'm an avowed cliplees user) as you need to get off and on, and stick your feet out. On the road bike clipless is far more efficient, as you stay clipped in for most of the ride, and you can pull on the pedals up hills.
I'm not a big fan of road clipless pedals though - bulky cleats, silly shoes, and you tend to get less float which buggers up you knees. I always run MTB ones on the road bike. Means I can use the same shoes too.
Double sided pedals are a thing.
Double sided pedals are a thing.
A bad bad thing.
A bad bad thing.
Only if you care what other roadies think.
I had some disparaging comments from some of my roadie 'friends' when I did the Topsham 100 the other year. Still kept with them the whole way round.
It's a nerve racking experience at first, but on a road bike it becomes second nature after a while. It's just the remembering that you're clipped in. It's only when you forget and try to unclip in a panic that it all goes wrong: employing brute force in an attempt to release, rather than the gental twist required. I always twist my feet off the pedals now, even when on flats...it has become instinctual.
Ton, you can get comfy SPD shoes with proper rubber soles.
A bad bad thing.
Only if you care what other roadies think.
I had some disparaging comments from some of my roadie 'friends' when I did the Topsham 100 the other year. Still kept with them the whole way round.
Yeah, I'd agree with using SPDs too. Easy to clip in and out, you can set them dead loose. And they're as good as anything really. Some roadies will be puzzled by them, but I'm yet to be convinced there is any disadvantage in comparison to traditional road pedals. You get a lot of discussion around hotspots and stuff, but I think that is more down to the shoes than the fitting...
I'm completely the opposite - really dislike flats on road or mountain bike, only happy riding clipless now.
I'm completely the opposite - really dislike flats on road or mountain bike, only happy riding clipless now.
Show off.
Put some MTB spds on OP: much easier to clip in and out of. Just make sure you swap them if you've got any plans on riding a Sportive, otherwise you'll get sneered at by men who look bad in lycra. That's the problem with darkside riding, it's bent.
Only if you care what other roadies think.
I had some disparaging comments from some of my roadie 'friends' when I did the Topsham 100 the other year. Still kept with them the whole way round.
Crossed wires I think. I meant those pedals that are Spd one side, crappy hard plastic flat the other.
I genuinely don't think there's that much in the clipped in being good for climbing. The odd sprint or low speed grind you might pull up on the pedals and to be honest of m520s weren't so cheap and good
But I wouldn't want to be using road cleats/shoes even walking in and out of cafes/pubs/shops. The first broken bone I heard about at the Glasgow velodrome was someone slipping down one of the ramps and breaking an arm!
Anyway if you like flats use flats, no one who matters will care. The really snobby roadies are all noobz anyway!
Probably worth sticking with for more than one ride, but definitely not worth sacrificing your knees or enjoyment for. The only REAL. Drawback of flats on a road bike is the aesthetic.
I feel exactly the opposite. Riding flats is completely unerving, and I can't comprehend why you wouldn't want your feet firmly attached to the peddles. Do a season of cross and you'd be able to clip out and dab in a nano-second.
For the record I use spd's on my road bike too and have never had anyone commment about it even in road races and crits.
Started with flats on the both the roadie and MTB. Went to clipless on the roadie and after the obligatory comedy falls, got used to them quickly. Stayed like this for a long while with spd's on the roadie and flats on the MTB but then had a spell where I used the roadie a lot and when I went back to the MTB on flats, found I really missed being clipped in. Tried some trail SPDs (M530s) and never went back. Love them.
Clipless on both road bikes, 1 MTB with flats, 1 MTB clipless. Kind of what you want to ride when you want to ride it but I wouldn't ride a proper road bike without them. SS pub hack, flats only.
I don't think there is enough benefit for me to run "road" Clipless on the road bike, but MTB clipless are ace for me. Just take some getting used to.
I much preferred Look Keo to SPD-SL when I did try full roadie though.
I see the problem here. Look pedals are specifically optimised for human feet. Their sister company Ook should have something to suit your monkey feet.
Took up road cycling
That's your problem right there. Ditch the road bike and go mountain biking all year round.
I'm completely the opposite - really dislike flats on road or mountain bike, only happy riding clipless now.
+1
I was a roady at 14yrs and wore bang tidy Sidis coupled to a pair of - hot at the time - Look pedals. Took to them straight away and have never ridden flats since, regardless of the bike or terrain.
Worth persevering with IMO.
I moved to flats because of hurty knees with spds.
I commute most days in flats (22 miles round trip), tour, ride my tandem, mountain bike and go bike packing on my fat bike all in flats.
I do miss spds at times as I like the certainty of foot placement they bring. But at the same time it's great to be freed from stupid shoes and have pedals you can ride in anything.
I guess you have read this and people will probably tell me it's been quoted lots before but just incase [url] https://www.rivbike.com/pages/the-shoes-ruse [/url] May be a bit opinionated but an interesting perspective.
That article is bollocks. It's based on this:
"The argument in favor of Special Shoes is this: With a firm connection to the pedal, you will be able to apply power for the full 360-degrees of a pedal revolution."
Which isn't true.
That article is bollocks. It's based on this:"The argument in favor of Special Shoes is this: With a firm connection to the pedal, you will be able to apply power for the full 360-degrees of a pedal revolution."
Which isn't true
THe article sounds alright to me. I've lost count the amount of times I've read "pulling up" during the pedal stroke as one of the benefits of clip in pedals.
everyone falls off when they first get them
speak for yourself there mr, some of us are riding gods, now where did i put that ice pack.
Go old school, platforms, clips and straps? 😆
For the road the clipless thing takes a few goes to get comfy with. It is worth a good try it does get easier.
A man who suggests crocs and socks are acceptable footwear should be ignored.
i thought the stiff sole on a spd would be a aid, but it is proving not to be.
standing to pedal with spd's puts to much pressure on the front of my foot causing my ankle to try to bend, which it wont.
flats allow me to stand with the pedal in the arch which works.
comfort is gonna be my choice for flats.
I've lost count the amount of times I've read "pulling up" during the pedal stroke as one of the benefits of clip in pedals
Yeah but he says *the* argument, as in singualr.
oh
I practised on grass. Still had some superb slow motion falls at junctions afterwards though. All part of life's rich tapestry. Oh and slacken the spring tension right off.
I use flats on MTB though and sometimes find myself twisting my foot to unclip!!!
I've lost count the amount of times I've read "pulling up" during the pedal stroke as one of the benefits of clip in pedals.
does not make it true.
does not make it true.
Says who ? I pull up all the time on my road bike pedals. Most frequently on short power climbs, you don't change down and spin, just stand up and sprint into them. Plenty of pulling up going on.
Studies into what pro riders do show that they don't pull up.
proriders don't gurn up san marino on a SS 🙂Studies into what pro riders do show that they don't pull up.
TBF I very rarely pull on the upstroke but I do hoik the back end of the bike up rocks/steps/whatever while pedalling along* - or the aforementioned gurning. Rode spds since I got a proper mtb, went back to flats for learning the bunny hop properly but I only really messed about on flats, I need to pedal a good few miles to get to proper trails so just ended up using spds all the time. I'd struggle on flats now. Coincidentally I had a guy at work asking about mtb spd for road, he mentioned the hotspots thing but I've never had trouble (I've never bothered with road spd).
*something I'm sure is perfectly doable with enough skill and careful timing but clipless allows those lacking in both to do it
edit from that article
erm how do they get their foot out of the way of the upstroke without pulling it up or unweighting it? Shirley they have to do atleast one of those.The good pedalers----the guys in the logo costumes and the white sunglasses and shaved legs----minimize the downward force on the upward-moving pedal more. They don't pull up on it or even unweight it.
It is possible to pull up without exerting an upwards force on the pedal - just less of a downwards force. Perhaps this is where the confusion is arising?
erm how do they get their foot out of the way of the upstroke without pulling it up or unweighting it? Shirley they have to do atleast one of those.
I think the point is that they are not doing anything with the back leg i.e it is passive they are simply driving the lead leg.
Better to think of it as an unweighting of the rising pedal, if you weighted it then you'd be working against yourself 😮 So you need to "pull up" at the same rate as the pedal is rising. You aren't putting any force into the pedal.
