[Closed] Recent bannings?

its gone all bikeradar....

too true.

before future publishing ate up the cycling plus forum into bike radar it had loads of interesting characters who added value and thought into debates, now it;s sanitized shite. i imagine it's popular with 16 year olds.

it's be rubbish if stw went to same bland way.

Red handed?
Always use plenty of paper after eating beetroot.

Bring back Jeremy

Well, if you paid for gym membership then were banned

...You'd stop paying your subs. No-one pays annual gym membership upfront, so bit of a shit analogy.

Fair enough.
Haven't joined a gym or shat in any pools for ages. 😉

The forum is part of a business, it's run to make money.

Whilst this is of course true, it's my opinion (and that I suspect of many others) that there has been an element of "making example" of certain individuals in the most recent bannings, purely to act as a deterrent to others. The problem is that a forum should promote freedom of speech IMO. To ban someone for exercising their freedom to express their own opinion, whether or not you agree with it, is not cricket! And they have banned certain members that have been here for a very long time, and as a result alienated other long time members of the forum. If this has been done to attract new members, then I hope for their sake the ends justify the means, as surely there is/was/should be room for everyone to play nicely if moderated well with clearly laid out rules?

Now, if as some people have been guilty of, you spend most of your time on here baiting people, waiting for them to take the bite, then acting all coy when they get wound up, you deserve what's coming... No names mentioned, but one or two of the bans were more than justified IMO.

TJ though, love him or hate him, was as consistent as the day is long. He is/was a stubborn old bastard, and sometimes couldn't even make his own mind up as to which side of an argument he was on such was his ability to contradict himself. But never once did he lose his rag, try to bait anyone, or act out of character in order to provoke reaction from others. To me, his ban sends the message that it was easier to ban him as he was often the source of argument, than ban those who were losing their rag with him...

Forum moderation is all about consistency IMO. The moderation was until recently perhaps very relaxed, and all of a sudden it has got MUCH stricter. Now that's fine, the forum owners can do what they like, it's theirs to do with as they wish. BUT... It would surely have been more effective, and fairer in the first place, to phase the new rules and regulations in, rather than just suddenly ban people for 10 years? 😕

aa - Member

before future publishing ate up the cycling plus forum into bike radar it had loads of interesting characters who added value and thought into debates, now it;s sanitized shite.

I don't think the mods on here would appreciate Sheepsteeth much.

frankly who cares?
I miss the tags more than the "big-hitters"
The tags where useful I could see in about 5 words if a conversation was worth avoiding or not

The Premier conditions are interesting though, unlikely to affect me personally I hope, but I don't recall seeing that when I signed my direct debit all them years ago, or when I sent the email to upgrade to premier (I dont remember seeing a T shirt, a hipflask, a 2nd t shirt or a tenner either mind 😉
I could be another one voting with their bank account details, not because of the forum, just the general changes. I don't like the mag so much these days, and the attitude is generally more 'magazine and customer' rather than 'all in it together' like it used to be, I apreciate thats a commercial desision and they have to at least break even and pay wages etc but something has changed, cant put my finger on it but its not the same anymore, either round here or in print)

TJ though, love him or hate him, was as consistent as the day is long. He is/was a stubborn old bastard, and sometimes couldn't even make his own mind up as to which side of an argument he was on such was his ability to contradict himself.

I agree, As long as he was arguing with someone he was happy

But never once did he lose his rag, try to bait anyone, or act out of character in order to provoke reaction from others

Arguing constantly and always taking the position contrary to whatever is most popular could be (and obviously was) considered trolling. .

To me, his ban sends the message that it was easier to ban him as he was often the source of argument, than ban those who were losing their rag with him...

So he was the source of the arguments, which were the cause of people reacting to his arguing negatively.

Have you looked up the definition of an Internet troll ??

That post is far closer to trolling that TJ ever got

Love him or loathe he simply said what he TRULY believed

If I missed a thread I would read the first page and then the last. Normally the last page would be 2 people trading insults. I can't imagine anyones view point has been changed by someone on here.
The people in question just didn't know when to walk away.

rickmeister - Member
Realman, thought you caught the 10 yr ban hammer, and then returned....

So the reality of the situation differed from what you were led to believe?

And it is duller now.

Was reading a long winded post t'other day (via another on-line media), which was basically the mother of all spats between a banned poster who rides a bicycle made for two & another 'banned' poster who resides in our nations fair capital city...

Quite amusing it was.

Don Simon was alright, he always seemed to me to be posing intelligently thought provoking questions rather than deliberately winding people up.

Was reading a long winded post t'other day (via another on-line media), which was basically the mother of all spats between a banned poster who rides a bicycle made for two & another 'banned' poster who resides in our nations fair capital city...
Quite amusing it was.

Unstoppable force Vs immovable object?

[morbid curiosity] link? [/morbid curiosity]

EDIT and frankly I cant work out how realman got away with his classifieds scam and others were banned.

+1

Either the powers that be are in bed, out getting lashed, or this thread is allowed to continue purely out of interest.

Hopefully the latter 🙂 FWIW, I agree with a few of the posts which have asserted that the advertisers and web traffic come as a result of the melting pot of ideas; franken-bike threads, bike news, helmet and body armour debates, what (well keyworded) tyre / frame / fork threads and general musing, including all the mumsnet type threads.

Personally, I read the mag many years before I became aware of the forum. I hoped it would last - and lo! Here it is, many years down the line, brought to me by electrickery. The thread about the munros is fascinating, as are the ongoing bike-packing discussions - informative and frankly inspirational.

And it seems to me that the mag takes its lead from the forum, more often than not.

What has this to do with the recent bannings? Just that the 'disappeared' sparked debate, brought colour and conversation into the midst of the 'fore-mentioned 'what tyre' threads and generally amused and annoyed us all in equal amounts. Their standpoints invited controversy but more than that, allowed for the formation of allegiances both on and offline.

Anyway, even I'MNRATS, so goodnight.

I recall a thread about a year ago along the lines of "which forum member would you most like to go for a ride with?"
Most of the so called "big hitters" we're mentioned in this thread and I think TJ was the most popular by a long way.

Arguing is not a bad thing and I think most people don't get too offended by the banter.
I found most of these arguments entertaining and educating.
I often agreed with DS's stance on many topics and usually disagreed with most of TJ's.
I'd love to have a pint or go for a ride with both of them though.
I personally don't think either of them were trolls.
Just because you disagree with the majority doesn't make you a troll IMO, and forum discussion is pretty dull when everyone agrees all the time.

Arguing constantly and always taking the position contrary to whatever is most popular could be (and obviously was) considered trolling. .

Baaaaaaaaa

All together now: "we're all individuals".

Have you looked up the definition of an Internet troll ??

Have you ???

No-one pays annual gym membership upfront, so bit of a shit analogy.

My Wife does. I don't think she has ever shat in the pool tho.

In fairness to the mods, the forum's about all users, not just those that have been banned. Many times i've refrained from posting a different view to certain people, as I haven't wanted to become part of the "thread stalking", baiting, and attempts to re-ignite old arguments on here that i've witnessed happen in the past.

rickmeister - Member
Realman, thought you caught the 10 yr ban hammer, and then returned....

So the reality of the situation differed from what you were led to believe?

And it is duller now.

It would appear so, but I'm waiting for his reply...

Don Simon was alright, he always seemed to me to be posing intelligently thought provoking questions rather than deliberately winding people up.

I suspect that's the image he had of himself but I'm[i] amazed [/i]anyone else could possibly think that. Never saw anything but negativity and aggression from him myself.

Like with Fred, I think ST did him a favour banning him.

People will always have contrasting views, and like life they will often be coloured by their experiences/or lack of, and political viewpoint, if these are consistent, which if truthful they will be then there will always be 'friction'.

Attempting to control this dynamic for the 'business' is a self defeating objective, dullness and conformity will be the order of the day,and all the tedium that goes with that.

I had some 'warnings' about being 'very argumentative'-- FFS, either you accept free speech or you don't-- by curtailing debate you kill the goose.........

This message board is clearly way too important to some of you, [b][i][u]way[/u][/i][/b] too important.

either you accept free speech or you don't-

A few of you seem to be getting very high-minded about this. It's an internet forum not a sixth form debate. People were banned (I think) for aggressive behaviour not for the ideological content of their comments.

I think Voltaire would have changed his mind pretty sharpish if he'd had access to this forum.

Arguing constantly and always taking the position contrary to whatever is most popular could be (and obviously was) considered trolling. .

Not being one of the guardin reading right on flock and having a mind of your own is considered trolling on here.

bet that earns me yet another ban for doing sweet FA but telling it how it is.

surely Teej was banned for being immune to advertising ?

Many times i've refrained from posting a different view to certain people, as I haven't wanted to become part of the "thread stalking", baiting, and attempts to re-ignite old arguments on here that i've witnessed happen in the past.

This and this:

This message board is clearly way too important to some of you, [b]way too important.[/b]

I don't think the mods on here would appreciate Sheepsteeth much.

Mmm, whilst BikeRadar is generally rather sanitised the stuff that crops up in the CrudCatcher is worse than stuff on here! Not a bad thing IMO, good to have an outlet folk can ignore if they're of a sensitive disposition.

Bring back Friday Kylie, Athletic and Asthetic and I've also not seen an EDL thread for a while

has anyone been banned yet for bad spelling ????

bad spelling

They bloody well should be! Far more irritating than TJ ever was!

Also the proper use of there..their..they're ???

And your/you're. And 'should of/could of'. All banning offences IMO.

and the classic .. bought ...brought... 😆

+1 singlecrack!

TJ though, love him or hate him, was as consistent as the day is long. He is/was a stubborn old bastard, and sometimes couldn't even make his own mind up as to which side of an argument he was on such was his ability to contradict himself. But never once did he lose his rag, try to bait anyone, or act out of character in order to provoke reaction from others. To me, his ban sends the message that it was easier to ban him as he was often the source of argument, than ban those who were losing their rag with him...

what i was trying to say but failed. But of course he will have written loads that I never read

Weird things forums. They are a clever way of bringing in punters with ever changing content. Then sudddenly you have a monster to manage

I guess in the end people were banned because people complained about them. I suppose Mods go with the flow as otherwise it feels like banging your head on a brick wall.

I was envolved in a weird thing with banning on DPreview. Morris a very polite and nice man was and still is the person with the most posts ever on Dpreview (74,000). He commented on pretty much every photo posted by anyone on one of the Nikon forums. He always was positive and gave out loads of advice. He also posted loads of his own photos which always got lots of praise in the threads they were in.

But it was actually against the rules to post picture unless part of a techncial discussion. So they banned him.

Well after a bit of head scratching pretty much every active member went over to a flickr forum where many years later we still are.

In the end forum owners are free to run things as they see fit.

Anyone have an e-mail address for TJ or know where he hangs out online

Twitter I would imagine.

I had some 'warnings' about being 'very argumentative'-- FFS, either you accept free speech or you don't-- by curtailing debate you kill the goose......

Not being one of the guardin reading right on flock and having a mind of your own is considered trolling on here.

http://singletrackworld.com/members/tandemjeremy/profile/

Better since the bans, IMO, and FWIW!

cheers I thought banning meant no profile...

People were banned (I think) for aggressive behaviour not for the ideological content of their comments.

Agreed.

I would say the bannings came about because of certain aggressive comments towards other members not because of their difference of opinions about the particular thread.

If some of the comments were said down the local pub that were said on here they would have been well worthy of a slap.

The only difference on a forum like this is that the consequence is a ban rather than a slap- Fair does imo.

I don't see why certain members now feel like they have to hold back on future posts either.

I don't see why certain members now feel like they have to hold back on future posts either

Are you OK junkyard you seem a bit sexually frustrated, a lot of that going about these days. Have you considered some bevvy and massaging your crotch area!