Absolutely - and insurance? And who keeps the shop open longer?
Oh, and the "I've spent lots of money here, I want special service" line never goes down well 🙂
Loyalty and special service is all an LBS has to offer and it what you pay for.
Otherwise I'd use online retailers.
It's a free desperate market and I'm sure one of the kids would have loved the opportunity to earn a few extra quid.
I dont see the problem with paying his overtime.
But where would you expect him to do the work?
Hugor - you are a doc - would do do cash work on the side uninsured?
You said pay him cash.
What manager wants to encourage his staff to moonlight? What precedent would it set?
In a shed instead of an operating theatre 🙂
Don't care where he does the work as long as he fixes it. He can take it home. It's only a bleed FFS!
As for overtime and insurance I regularly work beyond the European safe hours directive which effectively means I am uninsured so yes I do!
I don't get a penny extra though!
And he can use his own tools, and his own stock of oil? And if he messes up and your brakes fail, you won't sue him?
If it's that simple, do it yourself!hugor - Member
It's only a bleed FFS!
Don't want to derail further from the OP but he's got a better chance of getting it right than I have.
Litigation is not something I considered TBH.
If I spent too much time worrying about that I couldn't do my job either. I'll take that though.
Are people really that feeble, time poor and/or profligate to pay such stupid sums to "service" a bike? I mean I'd not begrudge the LBS the revenue it seems fair considering the whole feeding/clothing/housing their family thing for them to charge the going rate for labour and parts...
But a £450 bill to keep a bike rolling? what sort of useless **** lets it get in that sort of state and then uses the twin defenses of being too inept and too busy/important for such menial labour?
Half an hour every weekend (maybe the odd hour now and then) is about all it takes - order your spares/tools/oil & lubes online, save a packet and learn a little... Then again I suppose IT won't manage itself now will it...
STW 🙄 FFS....
Lbs please fit my rrp parts for nowt - boo or hooray?
Bill that size? I'd buy a decent donor bike, swap over the necessary bits, sell the rest and come out smiling.
Good call cookeaa - I bet these malcontents who work in IT are just to stupid or lazy for the deep satisfaction simple folk like us get from maintaining forks, brakes and drivetrain-
..let's toss our old pads at them: whilst we service ourselves for 30 mins each week?
Sorry to say this but your ignorance of things mechanical is clear and the LBS is treating you in the same way as a car dealer would a driver who has no idea about cars, i.e. a cash cow.
The first clue is that you even put the bike in for a service.... bikes don't need regular services, they need constant checking and maintenance especially when used in off-road conditions.
Wow,
SLX 44/32/22 chainset
SLX 11-34 cassette & Shimano chain
X2 Shimano jockey wheels
X4 Shimano resin brake pads
Shimano mineral oil
£160.84 delivered (action sports.de)
£40-45 cashback if you sell the new crank arms on here.
Rockshox service manual - Free download
Shimano service Manual - Free download
Icetoolz Cassette removal tool - £6'ish
Chain whip - £10'ish
Reba service kit - £39 from TFtuned (includes enough oil)
So that's £195. I think I'd be studying the service manuals long and hard.
Writing off another £50 for anything I have missed then your paying them £200 in labour costs!
I suppose it may seem daunting for a novice but there are plenty of good tutorials out there.
Jesus, the thought alone of being mugged for £200+ in labour costs would be an incentive to learn.
I think given labour costs, and the parts at RRP we can agree it works out. My concern is the need for all those parts. But OP hasn't come back to describe the state of the bike, but in my early days I once went into a LBS thinking my mech was broke and needed replacement, and they sorted it with sensible maintenance. Could easily have sold me a new one.
I know its maybe not the done thing, but I would hope to get a discount on RRP if I was spending that much and having it fitted in house. Not down to CRC type prices no, but maybe 5 or 10%.
Comparing it all to the cost of doing it yourself with Superstar pads and bits from Ribble is daft, of course your LBS will cost more.
Litigation is not something I considered TBH.
If I spent too much time worrying about that I couldn't do my job either. I'll take that though.
Litigation might not be something [i]you[/i] have considered, but this thread just goes to show how difficult customers can be even under quite fair circumstances. And inside working hours any reputable business will have insurance to cover mishaps, negating the need to worry about it. Outside of working hours they are screwed. And managers instructing employees to work under such circumstances screwed even further.
I don't know why you're having a go at the OP for not knowing much about the mechanical intricacies of his bike. Not everyone cares to service their own bike or learn how to service forks or set up a derailleur or whatever, there are bike shops for this sort of thing.
If a service existed where my bike was collected, fixed up and returned to me in perfect working order every month or so I would use it.
presumably he knew if it worked or not, if chain was skipping, gear selection was ****ed etc...
I regularly work beyond the European safe hours directive which effectively means I am uninsured so yes I do
I smell BS....
hugor in the time you've spent faffing trying to get your brakes bled, then add in the time to take it to the shop and pick it up and then take it back again because they likely won't do it properly, you could easily have taught yourself and have done it.
next time you need it there is no learning curve and you'll do it quicker, and when you went not a couple of weeks ahead
Hugor - you are a doc - would do do cash work on the side uninsured?
My doctor brother in law does cash in hand side work. Makes a fortune botoxing vain middle aged women. An absolute fortune.
I don't know why you're having a go at the OP for not knowing much about the mechanical intricacies of his bike. Not everyone cares to service their own bike or learn how to service forks or set up a derailleur or whatever, there are bike shops for this sort of thing.
I think the term is willful ignorance, and when your sat by the side of a track trying to repair you bike with a rock because you were too important to learn some basics on the function and maintenance of a (relatively simple) machine, the rest of us will just point and laugh* at your foolishness...
If a service existed where my bike was collected, fixed up and returned to me in perfect working order every month or so I would use it.
Such services do exist, but they ain't free...
I have no sympathy for the OP or anyone else who is unable to operate their own opposable thumbs, and hence get an unexpectedly high bill...
Of course its more than likely that evolution will see most them off within the next couple of generations, I imagine most will starve to death when faced with a can opener...
*Most people won't really point or laugh, they'll offer help and/or tools, but the world would be a slightly better place if useless people were a bit less useless and bothered to learn how to maintain/fix things for themselves...
@cookeaa It's got nothing to do with thinking you're too important to learn how to do things, it's more to do with a time/money/enjoyment equation, at least in my case.
Other things I don't want to do so I get other people to do them for me:
- Car washing and servicing
- Garden maintenance
- Anything to do with housework, maintenance, painting etc
- Shopping (a nice man delivers stuff to my door after I press some buttons on the computer)
- Washing and ironing of clothes
I end up doing pretty much nothing else but earning money and then spending it doing stuff that I enjoy, it works for me 🙂
So without any apprecable, practical skills how does the modern slacker actually earn money to pay for all these labour/thought saving services?
Part of me can't wait for all the leccy to go off one day and force people to start re-engaging their brains for practical purposes...
I end up doing pretty much nothing else but earning money and then spending it doing stuff that I enjoy, it works for me
This would be my choice too, although I quite enjoy tinckering on the bike and car so wouldn't pay for that.
The missus on the other hand refuses to pay anyone for anything, which means we lived in a house with no kitchen for 8 months, the laminate flooring ends about an inch from the doorways, the plaster below the wall lights looks like it has cellulite and she regulalry complains that she'd not been out for ages and needs a break as she'd been doing all the DIY. I told her it's not my fault, I spend time fixing my bike and don't expect her to show some kind of sympathy for that! That and she spends more time doig DIY than is healthy. Has the house fallen down: no, is DIY nececary: no! Half of what she does seems to consist of fixing previous DIY mistakes!
@cookeaa The modern slacker probably works in a knowledge industry where they use cerebral function more than brawn. You overrate "practical" skills; manual labour isn't very taxing on the brain, which is why it doesn't pay very well.
Part of owning and riding a decent bike is the maintenance. I can understand a family who ride a few times a year with their kids needing to take their bikes in for a service, but if you plan to buy an expinsive bike you really should learn the basics of bike mainenance.
Some forks/shocks need to be sent off due to the tools needed but for most drivetrain and bearing maintenance the tools are cheap and its easy to do.It'l save you so much money in the future.
Some of what you list is more "skilled trades" than "manual labour", though. Building maintenance and car servicing, for example. Being a car mechanic may not pay all that well, but it's still costing you £40-50 an hour or so. Obviously if you earn more than that it's a no-brainer unless you like tinkering with cars 🙂
I assume there's a sort of gated logic process or internal questionaire that is gone through for every activity where a stunt double is brought in then...
-Is task more complex than tying my own shoelaces? Yes
-Is there a chance I might break a nail and/or dirty my paws? Yes
-Can I get an iPhone app to do it for me? No
-Can I pay a lesser lifeform to do it for me? Yes
-Is the cost prohibitive? Eh?
-Will I whinge about paying for this service on the interwebs? Probably
-Can I claim that not bothering with said menial task freed up my Oh-So valuable time so I could enjoy various other more exciting activities (Playing COD for two hours then have a sly ****)? Yes
-Can I revel in my total lack of mechanical apptitude? Of course!
Right then - Call in the Dancing Monkey!!!
This thread makes me want to self harm, so for that reason: I'm oot.
@cookea
What if in your terminology, the modern day slacker didnt spend that 2 hours playing COD or having a sly whatever, but instead were out on their bike for an extra 2 hours?
Obviously you're still going to be highly disappointed in them for not being as mechanically aware as you are but, adds a different viewpoint to the situation here.
I'm somebody that likes to learn how things work and attempt them, but I also know a lot of people who dont care how things work until they stop.
Doesnt really affect me though, I don't get annoyed about it?
So, after 5 pages of tense debate, all we've established is that some people are more practical than others.
Well done.
Excellent work.
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Blimey - you lot get soooo worked up.
Go and torque your spokes up or something.
And for the record - it's my bloody money.
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Service?!
The rear mech there is a M952 from Circa 2001.
The chainset is from 2003. The non-driveside arm is from a later XT
The front mech is knackered so I've popped some outers into the front mech to create a chainguide.
It all STILL works.
No its not. Its theirs actually 😆And for the record - it's my bloody money
Chapeau Mr Starship...171 ever increasingly stoopid responses off the back of one post-with no extra input.Your Mong Fu is strong.
You can derelict my balls, capi-tan
You've only got the money till they outsource your highly paid "Knowledge based" Job to Bangalore... Then you'll wish you'd learned how to operate a spanner...
What if in your terminology, the modern day slacker didnt spend that 2 hours playing COD or having a sly whatever, but instead were out on their bike for an extra 2 hours?
Well our hypothetical modern slacker's bike was in a shop being Serviced, COD or knocking one out were his only real options, his missus had already left because he kept pissing all their money up the wall getting people to do the jobs he should have been doing for himself...
There's quite clearly a bunch of lazy buggers on STW who've been polishing the justifications for "getting a man in" to do stuff any self respecting able-bodied human should be doing for themself...
I think Mr Starship has done quite nicely, start the topic and then allow it to brew naturally without constant OP input, it's how the best interwebery is done plant a seed and watch it grow...
People like cookea make my teeth itch.
It's people like you who prevented my nephew from getting a shipyard apprenticeship.
Folk are building ships at home these days.
Putain 😉
Derek, its better than him making your cock itch 😯
[i]Derek, its better than him making your cock itch[/i]
Yeah....
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cookeaa - Member
You've only got the money till they outsource your highly paid "Knowledge based" Job to Bangalore... Then you'll wish you'd learned how to operate a spanner...
didn;t Derek get made redundant last month when his job was offshored to china?
