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davefarmer - Member
definately a rider, know who it is.The first tree i disagree with, the flick through the offset trees at the start of T2 was fun, now it is just faster, this will erode the next corner massively.
The second tree, the 'V' tree, did not flow, was annoying at any time of year, and made people ride around it (another line has appeared). So removing it, improves flow and maintains the original trail line.
WTF?!?! Are you serious?
you can't just take a chainsaw and start cutting out parts of the woods, it's private land ffs, have some respect!
I don't build trails on Hurtwood Control, because the rangers ask people specifically not to - it's ancient woodland, not a trial centre, pissing about with the established trails takes people into the woods where they shouldnt go, disrupts ground ensting birds, makes a mess and pisses off the landowners etc...
That is unreal . . .
If this is the bit where you did a sharp right after a couple of rooty steps then I am gutted. I had only just mastered that section without having to dab.
As a little point to note the trees didn't really get in the way it was more that the little dip stole your momentum and you'd see people hang up at the bottom. I fail to see how removing the tree does anything about that?
One thing I do agree with - these debates seem to go round in circles, so I'll step away now.
One last point though - it is very true what has been said about this not being our land. Unsanctioned trail building, cutting trees etc are all not on, and that alone is reason enough to leave as-is.
Some things in life apply to most situations.
Lance: Still got your V Tree?
Vincent: Aw, man. You know what some f*cker did the other day?
Lance: What?
Vincent: F*cking sawed it.
Lance: Oh, man, that's f*cked up.
Vincent: Tell me about it. I had it built up over three years, it was unveiled for five days and some d*ckless piece of sh*t f*cked with it.
Lance: They should be f*cking killed. No trial, no jury, straight to execution.
Vincent: Boy, I wish I could've caught him doing it. I'd have given anything to catch that *sshole doing it. It'd been worth him doing it just so I could've caught him doing it.
Lance: What a f*cker!
Vincent: What's more chickensh*t than f*cking with a man's trail build? I mean, don't f*ck with another man's trail.
Lance: You don't do it.
Vincent: It's just against the rules.
why focus on messing with a trail which is already bleeding great. there are hundreds of downhills all over the place here which are fantastic and a bit of work could make them top notch.
Just rode the bridleway down redlands twice this morning and it rocks.. (and yes i _do_ mean the bridleway because i respect that area). that bridleway is bleedin great at high speed - a few tweaks could make it fantastic (even just safety tweaks - hidden rocks, branches in face, etc), and the same goes for hundreds of untweaked trails. why anyone would mess with whats not far off perfect over on pitch baffles me.
PS please can someone name and shame becuase we shouldnt let this selfish coward hide behind anonymity any longer. They need to be stopped, and, if necessary, prosecuted.
The V tree doesnt bother me, the part to get over is still there, its not changed that much. However the tree thats gone further up is the part that bothered me, its taken away the feeling of the trail as you can just striaght line it now, if i wanted to ride in a straight line id ride on the bridelways.
...or the A1.
Wow, and I thought this post had fizzled out.. Nice to see that a majority here appreciated the tree obstacle, and that we don't all sit on the fence either.. (Greg 😉 )
The Graveyard trail has been widely used for what - 4 years now? It's never been a flat out DH trail, it's a fun twisty singletrack with a nice mix of speed and tech thrown in.
There was never a need to remove the tree in question - It was a fun feature in a section of the trail that required you to drop speed a little, think about what you were doing, negotiate the tree and then climb slightly up to the fire road crossing - not exactly a super fast section in itself, regardless of trees.
Look, I'll be the first to admit to enjoying the various new trails that seem to pop up here and there up on the hills and having done plenty of trail building myself I appreciate the effort that goes into it. I am more than happy to maintain any trail that requires it (and many of them do) but removing trees is a BIG no no - simple as that, especially on a trail that's been established and enjoyed for a number of years.
Oh, and geetee1972 - [b]I'm[/b] the best rider on the Surrey Hills, you know that! 😀
Jim you've certainly taken a fast pill or had fast implants recently!
lol thanks, just been getting out loads thats all 😛
Rode this earlier this evening not thrilled, chicken run is gone which is good, any challenge or skill required is gone too, not good.
davefarmer - Member
definately a rider, know who it is.The first tree i disagree with, the flick through the offset trees at the start of T2 was fun, now it is just faster, this will erode the next corner massively.
The second tree, the 'V' tree, did not flow, was annoying at any time of year, and made people ride around it (another line has appeared). So removing it, improves flow and maintains the original trail line.
At least the person in question is putting some effort into the trails, they don't just maintain themselves, and they don't just come into being by themselves.
I wonder how many people commenting on here have actually performed any trail building/maintenance themselves?
Just get out there and do it, find a puddle that doesn't drain, and drain it, find a blown out corner that people are straightlining, and block the straight route and build the corner right.
Hmm, despite the condescending "how many of you have done any trail building" after everyone has been strongly discouraged from doing any non sanctioned trail building in the area, this post has made me change my mind slightly and see the other point of view.
People riding around techy parts of trails, scratching in new trails around obstacles only end up creating some sort of motorway. That nice rooty trail that leads down to the Holmbury village hall, across Telegraph Road is becoming a victim of that.
If the "work" was done to prevent more lines being created then maybe it is of more benefit than originally assumed.