[Closed] Orange Gyro rear axle 142 or 135

says here that it comes with 135X12. Would make sens as my 2012 Alpine is 135X12.

http://www.bikeradar.com/mtb/gear/category/bikes/mountain/product/review-orange-gyro-12-46504

Yeah I think your right and I'm slowly coming to grips with it. One post in another (unmentioned forum) gave me hope but I guess it must have been a typo 🙁

http://forums.mtbr.com/29er-bikes/orange-gyro-thought-you-guys-might-like-see-782508.html

135 on mine!

Edit: which is a 2013 pro, not a 2012 Black Gold either.

So 135x12 is rubbish right ? Please say yes. I'm trying to avoid the temptation to jump on one of these, not helped by the fact that Chipps from the mag has just got one, so I'll no doubt be reading even more about the damn things in the coming months. But if we can just agree that the rear axle makes the whole bike a waste of metal it will make my life a lot easier.

Ah ha we have confirmation, thank you Gary.
Although this is rather annoying (can't call in any favours at Shimano), I'm not going to let it put me off.

Go on roverpig, all the vool kids are getting one.

Vool kids? Do I want to be a vool kid I wonder.

So, go on, why did you pick this particular bike?

Yes Roverpig, 135x12 is terrible, I curse it everytime I ride the thing, I promise. 😉

Nicemates, might be of interest: http://www.cyclistno1.co.uk/blog/longtermer-orange-gyro-pro-2.htm

Thanks. Great blog. I've read it loads of times already 🙂 Must be time for part three soon. I'm just hoping he hates it by then 🙂

Soonish – keep an eye out end of Feb. Expect a bit on me exploring it for it's UK Enduro potential (big tyres, gone tubeless with new lighter wheels, dropper post and going 1x10), I'm waiting on the 1x10 bits at the mo. I'm also going to cover it at the lighter end of things (without needing mega bucks or compromising it). But yeah, essentially hoping to show in the next report how versatile it is and the two ends of its usage spectrum. Should be an interesting one!

Sounds great GaryLake, will look out for that. A really nice bike, wonder how the 29er five will compare to it..?

Based on a quick ride of Tom's (Mojo), much slacker, much tougher, heavier.

Imagine if Orange did a 4" Five, that's the Gyro, and the new 29er is a 29" Five. If you get me…

GaryLake:

As a fellow Gyro owner, I'd be interested to know what you using to go 1x10?

Love riding mine btw.

Thanks
Mike

Thanks Garylake, although it doesn't sound as though I can rely on you to put me off it then 🙂 Lighter end sounds interesting. I'm thinking about it as an all day, Scottish mountain, natural trails riding bike to replace my Five. Still not sure though and wont do anything without getting a demo first. Look forward to reading your next instalment though.

Micky, I'm going down the Hope route. Integrated bash ring plus seat tube mount guide. Have heard the guide might not be needed on the hope ring/bash though

Whats a sensible weight you think you can get these down to, without compromising too much?

I'm currently at 31.1lb – but that's with dropper, All Mountain wheels, Hans Dampfs and 2x10 with Bash. It's a UK Enduro build basically.

I reckon I can get mine down to 28lb dead, but that's still with 2.25 Snakeskin Ralphs and an All Mountain tubeless wheelset rather than an XC wheelset. No dropper and 1x10. Oh and a MT Zoom 740mm Carbon bar.

So not compromised at all and probably a very good allround build for the Gyro as a trail bike. You could go to a sturdy XC wheelset and lose another half pound and probably still not ruin it. So 27.5lb.

I reckon you could get it as low as 26.5lb but you'd be getting to silly money wheels that might ruin it, silly money groupset and you'd probably have to compromise it a lot on tyres (non-snake skin Ralphs perhaps).

The 1x10 and carbon bar are going to stay, so I can bring the Enduro spec down to 30lb. This allows me to go from 28lb trail bike to 30lb UK Enduro bike just by changing the tyres and removing the dropper. If it's dry I'd probably leave the Ralph on the rear of the Enduro spec for a half way house.

I'm still experimenting anyway 😉

28lbs is a very reasonable weight for something so capable. I think the short travel maybe makes people think of it as an 'XC' bike, but it seems to be much more than that.

If I were to get one it would be 1x10, with lightish wheels, no silly carbon though, and tyres which can take a battering like black chilli rubber queens.

Robbo, no black chilli Rubber Queens on 29ers yet. I'm thinking the Hans Dampf Front, Snakeskin Ralph rear would be a good alterantive. The HD will be grippier than the Queen up front and the Ralph faster than the Queen out back.

The snakeskin Schwalbes are tough.

Eitherway, 29lb without dropper should be easy enough if you build it smart as per your description.

Capability wise, the Gyro is no current Five, but I've got the 9mm rear 2008 Five without the taper HT which is built fairly light (9mm fork too) – The Gyro feels way more capable and quicker on everything except big drops – that's where the big wheels mean nothing and travel is everything.

I think the Gyro is being pinned as short travel but tbf, it's 110mm rear 120mm front. And to me it sits about halfway between a Tallboy and a Tallboy LT. If you know Treks, I'd say it was closer to a Rumblefish than a Superfly…

I'm already sold on the frame thanks to a deal I'm lucky enough to get involved in. Only getting frame and fork though and need to spec it all myself...
Hadn't even considered 1x10 as it's main use needs to be, all day bike.. Not sure I'm ready to give up the granny.?
Anyone got any thoughts, surely a 29er needs an even lower gear at the bottom end to get things moving along?

Nicemates, depends on how fit you are I guess. I've been working up to being able to survive on 1x10 by ignoring the granny lately. When I did the wales Coast to Coast last year (320km non-stop) I naturally ran 3x10 and needed it, but day to day I can get by on just 32T which is what I'm going with on here.

32x36 is fairly good on a 29er, feels like 32x32 on a 9 speed 26er. So yeah, 1x10 on a 36T cassette is the way to go. I'd struggle if I was grinding up big welsh hills for more than about 40km but it all depends on your definition of 'all day' and your fitness.

Ah not sure I'll ever be able to make up my mind on this one. on my old 26er I was 2x9 and never really left my 38 on the front except for VERY RARE rides (cough cough, cwmcarn xc loop) where it's steep for a long time, or where it's seriously boggy.

I don't want to be messing around with changing front rings around on different rides. Will I get the range to match my 38x24 on the front and 11-34 cassette with a 1x10 setup (bearing in mind the bigger wheels)?

I'm guessing the best answer is "not quite"

Well 32x36 is quite a bit easier than 38x34, even when you factor in the bigger wheels IMO, so while you lose the granny, you'll have a much easier gear than the 38x34. You'll have lost a fair bit at the harder end though. I personally don't suffer too much on 32x11 and it's only a pain if you've got prolonged road sections where everyone else is on triples.

Speak of the devil, the posty has been:
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Gary that is exactly what I was just looking at! Let me know how you get on with this set up on your gyro. You might have talked me into it...
No one I ride with has tripple rings on the front these days anyway.

***sneaking off to look at new spec minus front mec and shifter

Nicemates, I think for the 1x10 setup to work for you, and not be too much of a compromise you need to get a 11-36 cassette out back, and 32 ring up front. maybe go kooky and get a 33T? If you've got to spec all the parts for the build id suggest going for 1x10 first, and then add a double upfront and shifter/mech if its not right. If you buy a cheap ring for the front you wont be losing out financially too much if you do switch.

I have 1x9 on my Morewood with a 34T and 11-34 out back, its a struggle from time to time but I think the extra gear out back and 32T upfront will make it spot on and I never lose a chain on the fun bits.

I'll take a look at the Hans dampf Gary, sounds good.

Well I know a guy who's running this pair on a Spesh Demo with no roller type chain device underneath, so I reckon it's certainly going to be robust enough. I'll let you know on the ratios. I'm actually going down to a 34T cassette just because I've got one in the garage and I figure I might as well use it before buying a 36.

It'll make me fitter if nothing else.

This is my current wheel-tyre combo at the moment:

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The American Classic All Mountains are 1750g and are very wide and heavy duty. The Gyro could happily roll on the XC version. But 1750g and the ability to run Hans Dampfs properly in terms of rim width is not to be sniffed at considering it's a £500 wheelset too!

Great blog Gary, I look forward to reading the updates. 😀

Yep couldn't agree more, Gary your content is always very detailed, dunno where I would be without it!
I've decided on american classics, just deciding between AM and XC.

I'm a light guy and I ride that way. that said I do intend to push the bike to it's limits. I came from a 160 spesh enduro.. Think AM is a must.

nicemates, I'd say go for the All Mountains, for the rim width alone tbh! I've survived the Forest of Dean DH trails on the Gyro with these wheels, and even put in some reasonable times on Strava, you might be fine on the XCs but I can promise you won't be disappointed with the AMs. The only thing stopping me from going a bit quicker is the CTD fork and shock which have a tendency to blow through a bit on very big highspeed hits. But I want to stress, we're talking DH trails only, I never noticed it at Cwmcarn or riding natural stuff in Wales, and Loco reckons he can play with the highspeed circuit and sort it out.

Cheers guys, I appreciate the feedback. I'm just a bike dork at the end of the day and I like writing about it 😉

So finally got the Gyro built up... Oh my, what a bike! climbs like a mountain goat, descends like a dream! Couldn't sort a set of Classics so I ended up gambling with some superstar Teslas on Stans Arch rims, so far so good!
Ended up 2x10 as I just couldn't decide, interested to see what the weight is. Spec is XT/xtr/tubless/droper post but it feels VERY light at the back.

Pictures ?!!

I'm already sold on the frame thanks to a deal I'm lucky enough to get involved in

care to share?, no where seems to be doing deals on frame only

Pitchers!!!

I've done the 1x10 and put an XC tyre out back. Still got the dropper and HD up front. 28lb 13oz ain't bad 🙂

Yes yes OK pictures on they're way. I want to take some decent ones outside but never home in the daylight! Need to do that 'Sterling silver paint job' with 'Kashima coated forks and shox' justice
(what a tease...)

I'm pretty confident it's under 30lb, my enduro was 32 and it feels loads lighter.

OK, if you're going to make us wait for pictures, how about a few more words 🙂

I take it the 135x12 rear end is a real pain and the main reason you haven't posted more about the bike is that you are stuck in the shed trying to get the rear wheel on.

Did you know about the Five29 when you ordered the Gyro and if not, would it have affected your decision?

haha, nah the rear axle is fine, the Tesla hubs I have can be adapted to any wheel spacing so it's no issue. Had a few rides on it. Big ride tomorrow where I WILL take some pics, and test it a bit more thoroughly.

The Five29 didn't really affect my decision at all, too much travel for me, and looking at the five29 angles I think it'll be a really capable descender, but compromise on the climbing a bit too. I wouldn't have bought an Orange 5 (pre 29er evolutions).

I want an all day bike capable of the odd enduro race, light enough to ride around for 4 days with a bivvy sack on my back. but solid enough to get silly on the descents. Early days but think I've nailed it.

[b][u]nicemates:[/u][/b] I want an all day bike capable of the odd enduro race, light enough to ride around for 4 days with a bivvy sack on my back. but solid enough to get silly on the descents. Early days but think I've nailed it.

Take out Enduro racing and that's pretty much my wish list too. I basically ride natural Scottish trails (plus the odd trail centre)and aspire to longer and bigger routes. So it needs to be OK to pedal all day, climb well, be able to cope with steep rocky descents and not break.

I've currently got a Trance and an old (2006) Five. I love everything about the Five: looks, simplicity, fun ride etc but the simple fact is that the (69 degree HA, 125mm) Trance is better suited to the the sort of riding I do than the (66 degree HA, 150mm) Five. So, I know that 120mm is enough travel for what I do and a bike that combines all that I like about the Five with the mile munching attributes of a larger wheel could be perfect.

I see that CRC are selling the RockShox Revelation RCT3 29er at £350 or the RL at £280, both of which (I think) can be adjusted to 120, 130 or 140mm. Just not sure a black fork will work with an Orange frame (and the frame would have to be Orange) 😀

Anyway, thanks for the feedback and I look forward to the full ride report (and pictures).

I want an all day bike capable of the odd enduro race, light enough to ride around for 4 days with a bivvy sack on my back. but solid enough to get silly on the descents. Early days but think I've nailed it.

Nail on the head. You said it in far less words than I've need over two blog entries 🙂

Well I wasn't expecting that tonight 😉

Only went and bumped into nicemates out on the trails tonight with his shiny new Gyro! Small world!

And neither of you had a camera on you I suppose 🙂

Roverpig, I did but that would be a spoiler 😛

OK, fair enough.

While we wait for the pictures and ride report, can I just ask a couple of technical questions.

Can the gyro handle a 22/36 double chainset, or does it have the same issue as the Five with the 36 tending to foul the pivot point (and the system being designed to be most efficient in the 32T ring)?

Has anybody stuck longer forks on it yet? I see it's rated for up to 140, but all the reviews I've seen have stuck with 120mm (no doubt for a good reason).

Nope, it's not rated for 140 forks, I thought it was but the website shows 120 max.

I'll ask orange about the double chain set, I think nice mates was on a double. Solution could be to space the chain line out perhaps? I'm 32t 1x10 and it's great. I never had a prob ratios wise on 32/24 2x10 either. 32-11 gear is quite big for a 29er so even on road it wasn't too bad.

Yes, I just checked the Orange site and it does indeed say that the max fork travel is 120mm. Funny as quite a few reviews refer to it being rated up to 140mm and I'm sure that last time I checked (a few months ago) it said that on the Orange site too. Maybe I got that wrong though, or maybe some people tried 140 and it broke (unlikely). Of course, it could just be that Orange want to create cear blue water between the Gyro and the Five29.

I like my current 24T granny on 26" so would probably want a 22T granny on a 29er, but I could live with less than a 36T outer. As you say, even 32x11 is probably enough for everything except road use.

[b][u]nicemates:[/u][/b] Big ride tomorrow where I WILL take some pics, and test it a bit more thoroughly.

So, was it so awful that you are embarrassed to tell us about it, so good that you haven't stopped riding it yet, or did you stack it and we have to wait for you to get out of traction before hearing all about it? Enquiring minds want to know.

I realise that one shouldn't set too much store by first ride reports. Nobody ever dropped the best part of £3K on a bike and thought it was anything other than fantastic, but I'd still be interested to hear your thoughts.

Box storage is great.... I recommend it.. check back later.

Very nice, thanks. Could do with a bit more mud on it though 🙂

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I can't deny it, I've cleaned it more times than I've ridden it..
Still well and truly in the honeymoon period.

P.S. running a 38/24 front chainset

Tidy! Just needs a Kashima dropper now 🙁

How was the cheeky trail? 🙂

I'm rather surprised that Orange aren't doing 142 rears - I'd have thouight their (relatively) small, in-house manufacturing would have lent itself quite readily to updating stuff quickly.

How's the clearance with the double? I thought it was an un-do-able due to the pivot position but obviously not.
This thread doesn't make my life any easier, i wanted to step away from single pivots and try something different but i'm drawn back to the Gyro time and again.

Yeah seems a bit odd it's not 142, although it looks like they're waking up with the Five29.
Can't see why it's such massive issue though, all the wheelsets I was looking for came with 135x12 as an option (accept form Shimano) and most come with adapters should you need to change it in the future.

Double ring worked fine up front, it did look a little tight but I haven't spaced out the drive side at all so I can't invision any problems.

I've come from FSR and the single pivot has made the constant cleaning of my new bike a breeze!

Nice looking bike, what size is it and how tall are you?

It's a large, I'm 6.2" and lanky with it. Suits me perfect.