[Closed] Orange Five Overbiked?

No idea about the PPDS angle, but certainly not overbiked for the Lakes. Depends what you're going to chuck it down/off.
'bout right I'd say.
Enjoy.

Depend's there are cyclepaths and promenades in Wales and the Lakes, there are also downhill tracks. You'll be overbiked on one and underbiked on the other.

nope, not at all. Sounds a good set up.

Am I going to be overbiked?

Sounds like a good set up except for the brakes.
PPDS isn't too rad but it all depends what kind of rider you are a 5 with 160mm forks on it will be a lot of fun and will handle pretty much all of the PDS trails (Some of the off-piste stuff might be a bit much but unlikely you'd go looking for it unless you were a DHer anyway).
Great event by the way!

The handling is awful with 160mm forks, its like steering the Titanic, buy an Alpine.

Nothing wrong with M4s, just steer clear of avid and you'll be fine.

disagree, prefer mine with 160 mm forks

The handling is awful with 160mm forks, its like steering the Titanic, buy an Alpine.

Agreed, IME it really wasn't very pleasant on anything other than downwards with a 160mm Fox 36. Everyone who rode mine thought it handled like a turd. Rapidly changed them!

Spaced down to 140 was considerably more balanced (but still longer than the 140mm 32's by comparison).

Ride what you like and what you can afford. The only person that should care is you!

If you get the talas fork, wind it down if needed. Hope M4's are fine, look for shimano pads in Europe, there are some with the same backing plate that go straight in.

Enjoy.. !

Alpine may be better for Alps, but TBH if you only go there once a year then Id say its spot on.

As for brakes, its rotor size thats going to count. Get the biggest you can.

no it will be fine but then again that is very much like the one I ride so i wouls say that

Hope brakes are super IME

Modulation matters more than absolute power any disc brake[ not ton on cable I give you that] will lock up if you pull it hard enough

Exactly what I did Hob Nob, reduced the 160's to 140mm but it still handled crap. Anything other than down was awful. I swapped to 140mm 32's and it's soooooo much better.

Should be great for PPDS - Reverb is v-useful too

What's the height difference between 32 140s and 36s at 140?
Edit: it's 10mm. 1cm. It ain't going to make any difference.

Another one for the Alpine. It's built around 160 forks, the 5's not so it climbs and handles poop. I demo'd 5, 5AM with the big forks and an Alpine. 5AM was the worst of the lot, so unbalanced. If you're going to the alps and the uk venues you mention it sounds like you'll be seeking the sort of terrain that won't make you feel overbiked anyway.

HTH

Kev

What's the height difference between 32 140s and 36s at 140?
Edit: it's 10mm. 1cm. It ain't going to make any difference.

That's what I thought but it does. Even with them reduced to 140mm it still handled like a barge.

Easy way to ruin a decent bike putting 160's on it. If you need 160mm get an Alpine.

But what do I know, I've only owned both?!

Can't handle that bad with 160's. Macaskill and Hannah Barnes choose to ride a five with 36's. Not saying it doesn't handle different than with 140's but it depends on what you want from the bike as to whether it handles better or worse.

But what do I know, I've only owned both?!

There have been a few threads on here about 140 vs 160mm forks on a Five, and 95% of the people who tried both said the same, it handles like shit with 160mm forks.

Do a search.

I have my five set up with 150mm revelations and it's really good on ups and even better on downs !

Mine will also be hitting the alps this year. Hope brakes are superb.

I think the 36s are probably a mistake, but TALAS is definately a mistake- Uturn Lyrik would let you use the Five's ideal setting with the choice of going up and down, new 2-step TALAS will give you a choice of longer than ideal or shorter than ideal but not the middle whereas old 3-step TALAS will let you choose the middle, it just won't work all that well.

The PPdS is fairly straightforward riding with a couple of more difficult options. Where you will benefit from the 160mm forks is the other riding I assume you'll do whilst you are there. As has been noted many times people ride the PPdS on all sorts of bikes inc short travel hard tails, it's just not as much fun. As you'll have Talas you can adjust the travel as you wish.

What rotors do you have 203/180 is good for the Alps, 180/160 is ok - like most of us you'll probably be doing too much braking anyway !

The five is a good all round Alps bike for riding a mix of trails.

I'm also doing the Passportes du Soleil event in July. I will be on my Five. I have 150mm 32 Talas
Forks with M4 brakes, 203 floating rotor on the front, 180 floating rotor on the rear & i just bought off STW a
Reverb seatpost, worth it i think. I didn't get 160mm forks as i also ride alot of Singletrack stuff
Southdowns Way etc & didn't fancy climbing with bigger 36 forks upfront. I've been told some parts will be harder to buy in France, hope pads etc & don't forget to take a spare mech hanger.

With that set-up, perfect (or as near as you'll get to) all-round UK bike I reckon, pretty good in the Alps too. Only thing I'm not sure about is Talas. Good choice overall.

Go Float 36 set up at 140 great handling on the 5 , 160 is horrible on ordinary trails, below mine set up a 160mm felt awefull spoilt the handling, 🙂
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I've a pair of older 36's and while very stiff they just aren't worth the weight increase over the Thor's I run - so I'd suggest you look at Thor's.

Also, put an X2 on the rear rather than the - weigh less and it'll lock anyway.

@IanT - I think @1kcove has a very good setup, no doubting the 36 Talas is a question mark on 5 and for the riding you want to do. FWIW I have a Reign with 160 Talas and it's certainly fun on the downhill bits (have done 2 PPdS/ Alps trips) but overkill for pretty much everything else I do when you factor in the uphill and xc elements.

The spec you listed is pretty much the same as mine. Only I have the float 36 RLC rather than Talas. I ride in the peaks mainly, although we are riding the PPdS on the Sunday from chatel. It's perfect for PPdS and peaks, maybe not for a few UK trails but still good fun.

Handling down hill and on single track is immense, and not barge like at all, the handling uphill admittedly isn't perfect, but only on seriously steep stuff does the front get to light and start lifting.

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I bottomed them out for the first time this weekend at foel gasnach downhill runs.

Oh the RP23 is a bit poop on the orange 5 from my experience, I weigh about 13st and it just didn't ever feel right. I went CCDB and it transformed the bike.

Handling down hill and on single track is immense, and not barge like at all, the handling uphill admittedly isn't perfect, but only on seriously steep stuff does the front get to light and start lifting.

You are right, the handling is excellent downhill with 36's but along the flat it is shocking. Up hill is also a nightmare. The front lifts and it is almost impossible to stop the front wheel wondering.

Have you ridden it with 140 32's to compare?

I wouldnt say its shocking on the flat, although you struggle to find any in the peaks and i don't really go out looking for it, i have a hardtail for that 😀

I had the float 32 RLCs on before I stuck the 36s on. The 32s were better for hammering fast along smooth single track like you get at trails centres, but for speed down steep rocky stuff i found they couldn't really cope.

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same bike with 150 talas 32 and RP23 , climbs better goes down hills fine, but the 32 can feel flexy compared to the 36's in more challenging terrain, I'm 90Kg+ so maybe that makes a difference 😀 pushing hard into corners I could feel the front end didn't always track as well.

Jeffus - Are seriously saying that 160's feel terrible yet 150's are great? Can't believe 1 cm makes that much difference?

Five is spot on for the Alps IMHO. Loads of the Lakes locals have them which tells you something.
I have two mates who guide in the Lakes, both have Alpines...
I don't think Five is overbiked for the bigger, rockier stuff in the UK.
Surrey Hills maybe but not the places you're talking about.

mojo5Pro

A2C of the Talas 32 150 521mm, A2C of the 36's set to 160 545mm

24mm difference.

what's this obsession with being over or under biked? Surely if you can ride what you want at a pace that seems okay, you're fine?

what's the A2C on Lyriks out of interest?

what's this obsession with being over or under biked? Surely if you can ride what you want at a pace that seems okay, you're fine?

The more travel you have the smoother everything feels making it pretty damn boring and a lot less fun.

Thats why you ride isn't it, to have fun?

My Orange Five with 160's feels magic although I agree it does feel like a dog climbing but that's why I bought a Talas fork 🙂

The more travel you have the smoother everything feels making it pretty damn boring and a lot less fun.

Really?

No of course not. Riding a bike that smooths out every single bump requiring minimal effort from the rider makes things a lot more interesting 🙄

In contrast to some other posters I find 160s much better than 140s on my Five. It's probably not quite as nimble at climbing but who cares about that, it's great for going fast downhill on rocky trails, probably why they are so popular in Wales, the Lakes etc.

OP I would go the whole hog and stick a CCDB on the back too.