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Delivery is booked for 14 December. Merry Xmas to me!
Gearing: rather than top end spin-out, I'm more focussed on what it'll be like when loaded and winching up a long climb as that's the point of greatest suffering. We'll see..
Anyone checked out the geometry chart? Looks massively long to me, even the small is 4cm longer in the reach than my medium kinesis!
In large, the supplied stem is 80mm and the bars have just 52.6mm reach, compared to the 110mm stem and ~75mm reach on the bars for my Cube Attain. With the high stack numbers too (623mm for large), it's a very relaxed aero brick fit.
I asked them on instagram about this - "Yes to cyclescheme in all stores and green commute in Cambridge, Aberdeen, Wednesbury and Southampton. They stated at the moment you need to buy it to store for click and collect, then get it refunded in store and immediately repurchase the bike via your voucher at the tills. First half of 2021 this option is coming online."
They have another cheaper gravelly bike I quite liked the look of , and was ready to buy when it came back into stock, them they put the price up by 100 just as stock returned.
https://www.decathlon.co.uk/p/rc-120-disc-gravel-adventure-bike-microshift/_/R-p-312397#picture-0-0
Felt a bit cheated by the jump from 500 to 600 so more likely to hang on till January and see if any of the Boardman's go on the sale.
I'm in when finally available - cheaper alternative to Bombtrack Adv+ or Trek 1120...hope they deliver as im not exactly close to a Decathlon store!
trailwagger
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Anyone checked out the geometry chart? Looks massively long to me, even the small is 4cm longer in the reach than my medium kinesis!Posted 16 hours ago
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In large, the supplied stem is 80mm and the bars have just 52.6mm reach, compared to the 110mm stem and ~75mm reach on the bars for my Cube Attain. With the high stack numbers too (623mm for large), it’s a very relaxed aero brick fit.Posted 16 hours ago
This is why bar or grip reach and stack numbers can be helpful, since you don't hold on to the top of the head tube.
I can see your point, especially the marketability point. But for me I use my CX bike for everything. It does laps of trail centers, bikepacking and steadier club runs. So I like having a range of chainrings.
Maybe it's not going to be much cop on a steady club run : ) depends just how steady.
@jameso - as a bike designer yourself, what are your thoughts on this bike? I'm intrigued, I can't decide if it's a super-flexible design that would suit many (depending on tyre size) or a specialist niche product that only a long-distance bikepacker can fully enjoy?
And I see the weight (12.8kg I think) is fairly hefty, but comparable to a Fargo. Is this going to make it a plodder or can it be used for a quick unladen dash around the local woods?
(Edited to add some stuff and punctuations.)
@theboyneeds tricky to say really as it's so subjective. Designers (more of a product manager in my case tbh) have to have opinions and my opinions are probably quite different to the guys behind this bike. ie, not a lot of point listening to what I think : )
If anyone was listening, basically this could be a great bike for long rides on roads and dirt tracks, ideally loaded up and under a rider who's not a downhiller at heart or seeking techy goat track sort of trails. It might not make a lot of sense on a short ride in the local woods or it might be a lot of fun as a monstercrosser, that's a really personal thing related to what gives you your input>output kicks.
So far / ime I prefer bikes that sit a bit more clearly in one camp or another, embracing the pros and cons that brings. A test ride on this might say it's a really involving bike is a certain situation though and that might clinch it for me, it'd be compared to a good rigid 29er though since it's clearly aiming at off-road ability.
All that aside, it's a bike that could navigate and win the Tour Divide pretty much straight out of the box for £1400, just add a Garmin, lights and bikepacking gear and check if you like the saddle (you won't have a prob selling/swapping it either). I'm impressed. Maybe just not my ideal club run winter bike : )
Thanks @jameso - much appreciated.
I've ordered one to replace a cx/gravel bike, a rigid 29er, and potentially my hardtail xc bike because I don't have the room to store them all anymore. I'm slimming down to just the three bikes 😀 (the 920, short travel full-susser, long travel full-susser).
I'll report back when it arrives in a couple of weeks. And maybe post a few classifieds.
Looks like something in the Pipedream ALICE camp, if the flat bar model is £700 it's a lot cheaper though.
basically this could be a great bike for long rides on roads and dirt tracks
It's essentially the same as my rigid 29er but with drops. For me it's the perfect bike for long rides in my area because there can easily be 10-15 miles of road, then some steep climbs and descents and lots of moorland tracks which are usually rocky. So my ideal bike for this kind of exploration needs low gears and fat tyres. If I'd had this kind of choice when I was buying, I'd have probably gone for a drop bar like this Decathlon, however these things weren't really available and I was on a budget so I had to port as much across from the donor bike as possible which included shifters and brakes. And now the frame's too long for drops really.
And I see the weight (12.8kg I think
I was wondering about the weight. So an aluminium bike with carbon forks that is yet still a KG heavier than my old (stock) Vagabond (which was cromo, 2x, with fairly hefty wheels and 2.1 tyres)?
Ahm oot (was thinking about MAYBE consolidating my retro touring bike* and Longitude for one of these)
Weightwise the 2016 Vagabond (£1k) I had was more than fine for what I wanted it for (solo exploring, ATB, bimbling, commuting, carrying stuff at times), and I think a lot of the complaints about it’s ‘weight’ at the time were OTT. 12kg/26lbs is just about great for a steel monstertourer/bikepacker IMO
But, if I was shelling out another half a K for similar type of bicycle then I’d want something to be a little lighter, but that’s me.
* Edit, second thoughts. I LOVES my 531 tourer, like no other 😍. Other second thoughts - this Decathlon 920 (Trek must be annoyed?) at under 30lbs is probably still respectable for a monstercross(ish) offroad touring bike with hub generator and gubbins. Look forward to hearing people’s experience with it!
So far / ime I prefer bikes that sit a bit more clearly in one camp or another
I think that's the flipside of what I was trying to say. By trying to make a bike that really can do anything (albeit possibly badly) you end up with a bike that's really only optimum for a very niche use (the Tour Divide).
Whereas something in the same mould as an Arkose or a CX bike struggles to get through that extra few per cent of technicalness, or do it well when loaded, but much nicer to ride elsewhere.
I'm basing that opinion on having previously had a Vagabond, it was great for that few per cent of my riding where a CX bike wasn't enough, but was heavy and slow the other 98% of a long ride (and there was no way it was keeping up with a group ride of others on CX bikes once we hit tarmac or even dry hardpacked fire roads).
It's all about the clearance for me. What other ali/carbon framesets are out there that can take 29x2.25+ tyres and dropped bars, with full guards please!
On weight, dynamo and tyres in the main. And half a kg of boss bolts!
A Vagabond is more like 13kg isn't it? The frame and forks on the Decathlon prob only 750g to a kilo lighter in total, the XT dyno hub (500+g) the charging gear and a Brooks saddle add that back on.
you end up with a bike that’s really only optimum for a very niche use (the Tour Divide).
"Depends..." : ) It might also be optimum for byway bashing which is just UK Gravel isn't it. One rider's niche is another's do-it-all. One rider's do-a-fair-bit isn't wide ranging enough for another rider. Bikes like this do sit in the most overlapping area of the bike category venn diagram, for good or bad. Sounds like you and I prefer something biased toward a use/category rather than aiming for the biggest overlap area.
A Vagabond is more like 13kg isn’t it?
Yes sorry, good catch. Now realise that I mistakenly looked at the Giant Anyroad figures by mistake in the side-by-side test I searched!
Vagabond was tested at 12.43kg/27.35lb without pedals. The new 725 one (2021 Vagabond) I’ve seen listed (but not tested) as 11.73kg (25.86lbs)
But I didn’t feel mine was overly heavy for a bikepacker/tourer/ATB, in fact it felt much like my (rigid) old Lava Dome maybe a pound heavier, but the Vagabond was a lot less flexy when loaded.
“Depends…” : ) It might also be optimum for byway bashing which is just UK Gravel isn’t it. One rider’s niche is another’s do-it-all. One rider’s do-a-fair-bit isn’t wide ranging enough for another rider. Bikes like this do sit in the most overlapping area of the bike category venn diagram, for good or bad. Sounds like you and I prefer something biased toward a use/category rather than aiming for the biggest overlap area.
True, I'd really like to get a demo on one to see if it solves the problems I had with the Vagabond. I put a lot of it down to the frame feeling heavy, with a lack of urgency when pedaling and lacking directness and at the same time not having that nice comliant steel zing. It actually rode a bit like my old 1980's Claud Buttler Dalesman (badge engineered Dawes Galaxy), nice in it's way but I always preferred riding my actual road bike.
I put a lot of it down to the frame feeling heavy, with a lack of urgency when pedaling and lacking directness and at the same time not having that nice comliant steel zing.
Sounds about right for a drop bar 29er capable of proper touring or bikepacking, needs to be fairly stiff, can't see the Trek or Decathlon 920 feeling a lot different? I rode the Trek briefly once, it was loaded up but it was certainly stiff and had a fairly slack/floppy steering feel for a drop bar bike. I mean, so's a Croix de Fer, just that bikes like that can never feel like a brisk 531 audaxer and carry a decent load off-road.
I had a really nice skinny classic road bike made for me this summer and went touring on it in Wales - only put a bit over 4kg on it and it was starting to feel out of it's range, verging on wobbly, hitting holes in the road too hard. If I still had a CdF I'd have been better off on that. Unloaded though it's lovely ride, zingy and lively compared to a CdF.
highlandman
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Now in stock online, limited sizes. Ordered a large.. Time will tell how I get on with the limited gearing but I’m looking forward to trying it out around Scotland. Looks perfect for the likes of a week on the Great North trail.
Darn - just had my order cancelled by Decathlon. How about you @highlandman?
Out for delivery on Monday coming, apparently.. Holding on to that hope at the moment! Will report once I've had a chance to ride on some local, mellow trails and see how it does. The only changes that I've currently in mind are to put a shimmed 27.2 Thomson post on it from the spares box and probably a hop up to 180mm front rotor as I just cannot see that a 160 will be enough for assured, comfortable braking. Again, rotor & caliper adapter from the spares box, assuming that the fork is post mount not direct mount.
wrong geo
BB drop is WAY too short, every bike is this category have at least 15mm more (given the tyre size I believe it's at least 20mm too short).
So stack is too low as a result
FAIL
True, I’d really like to get a demo on one to see if it solves the problems I had with the Vagabond. I put a lot of it down to the frame feeling heavy, with a lack of urgency when pedaling and lacking directness and at the same time not having that nice comliant steel zing.
I’d question that reasoning, sounds like you would better suit a nice light road bike/gravel/racing bike, not another touring/bikepacking all-terrain bike? Especially not one with even less-‘zing’, ie overbuilt aluminium one that weighs about the same (stock build) as a Vagabond?
@ciquta Bit harsh! Care to explain?
Stack on Large is 16mm higher than Large Arkose, for instance.
Reach is 16mm longer.
ETA New video on the product page now, and they are promising a suite of matching luggage next year. Nice!
and had a fairly slack/floppy steering feel for a drop bar bike. I mean, so’s a Croix de Fer, just that bikes like that can never feel like a brisk 531 audaxer and carry a decent load off-road.
And therein lies the problem - it's really hard to find a 'gravel' bike in size small, with a head angle steeper than 71.5°. The Escapade, for instance, is reputed to be lively and fun, but the M,L etc have 72° head angle but the small is 71.5, so back to the CdF feel. I assume it's a toe overlap thing but it makes life for us short arses difficult.
I don't know where to start...
First of all this is a different bike than Arkose: has mounts everywhere, it's a 29, has real flared drops and so on...
Anyway, the BB is almost 4cm higher than arkose (23mm from the geo plus 14mm from the tyre). That's HUGE!!
That's a drop for a hardtail, how many bikepacking rigs has a BB visually in line with rear axle?!?
It's a big fail to me, and not even cheap. The Sonders have a much a better value.
^ I did a chunk of the King Alfred Way on my Arkose X and there were sections with deep ruts and "jeep tracks" where I wished for a higher BB (my cranks are already relatively short). I run 50mm 650bs which might well have contributed to that..
Given that's the route I'd use this on, instead of the Arkose, the only reservation I had with the bike was the weight, and what that would be like when loaded with all the mounting options.....I'm still very tempted and think it looks good value , despite picking up my Arkose x (which is ace bar the lack of fork mounts) for only £840 in a sale. Thinking about it again, probably cheaper for me to put different forks on the Arkose...but those 29er Thunderburts on the Riverside also looked handy
I run 50mm 650bs which might well have contributed to that.
well of course it matters, that's 25mm difference from the ground
Fresh out of the box and first impressions:
It's a proper large. BB is threaded which is good to know, along with there being a cable stop fitted for a front mech, bottom pull; cable can be run internally. The LH hood has no shifter inside. Brakes are UK spec, RH Front.
While it's light to pick up, it feels 'stout'. Hard to explain. I guess I mean stiff.
Position is quite high at the front but I'm more used to a nimble hardtail with 120mm at the moment, so cruising position would feel quite upright. The shallow drops are still a fair bit lower than the wee hardtail position. Taking out spacers and an inch or two of steerer tube is likely soon.
Bars have a flat top and a very slight backsweep. Tape is better than I expected.
It's come with a tool roll, with the tubeless valves in, so I'm going to take a stab in the dark and say the tyres have tubes in now. Not for long though.
That seatpost could be used to support a crane. It's going..
In the tool roll are spare spokes, a spare mech hanger, chain link and some basic reflector/lights. There's a pack of clear frame tape too. Nice.
Spec as per advertised is absolutely spot on, no changes or substitutions.
There will be plenty room for 2.4 tyres, as suggested; It would probably take larger, depending on whose tyres you like to use.
Hopefully get a proper ride at the weekend.
Excellent. Especially on BSA BB and front mech pre-prep. If it took 2.6 Ikons I wouldn't be able to resist!
(That's if they ever sort stock AND C2W out!)
On the stock rims, 2.6 will be pretty close to the frame and fork; hard to be certain but comparing the 2.5 Vigilante off my hardtail, that would likely work fine but I doubt there's a huge lot more room after that. There's room for quite a tall 65mm tyre but a flexy wheel could lead to problems. With the 2.25 Thunder Burts in, there is not less than 15mm clearance in every direction around both wheels.
In the tool roll are spare spokes, a spare mech hanger, chain link
Nice!
@highlandman could you confirm the hub & axle sizes please? Blurb says "100/142 x 12mm thru-axles with quick release"
Yes, front is a 100x12mm screw in QR axle, so seats directly into the RH fork leg and flip lever on LH side to lock. Rear is a fairly standard 142x12mm QR axle that again screws into the driveside dropout. The spares pack includes a separate replacement threaded dropout cap/insert along with the mech hanger.
One slight surprise is the discovery that the two 160mm discs are not the same; the front on the Shimano dynamo hub is a centrelock, while the rear is 6 bolt. I had planned to upgrade the front to a 180mm spare 6 bolt disc but that's now on hold until a solution can be found- maybe a centrelock to 6 bolt adapter, if such a thing exists..? It's hardly urgent, not going to be on any proper adventures for a while yet.
Very pleased with mine, managed a filthy off road night ride after setting up tubeless and it was a great ride. Much more agile than I expected.
An XL has just popped up for sale on decathlon website.
Maybe a cancelled order...
Yup, that's the thing.
How do you find the front brake Stanstorey, does it inspire confidence? I don't have any experience of Sram Rival hydro brakes before this, so nothing to compare it with.
First ride impressions are very much as above; more nimble than I expected but still clearly a long haul, mile muncher rather than a gravel/woodland thrasher.
For the remainder of winter, I've taken off the stock skinny thunder Burts and replaced with some well used Maxxis; 2.3 sticky HR2 on the front & 2.25 Ardent on the back. These still allow for a Mudhugger front guard under the fork crown without risking damage to the dynamo cable.
More comfortable than I expected, partly down to 22psi tubeless Maxxis rubber now on the back and probably also that 27.2 shimmed Thomson post. Coped very well with some moderately technical woodland trails, with a bit of everything thrown in to make it more interesting. It goes where you point it, accelerates nicely on good surfaces and copes fine with slippery ground, tight twisty, rooty and rocky terrain with mud and tree stumps to be negotiated. I'm delighted and think that if anything, it'll be a grower.
Although I've bedded the brake pads in very carefully and they're clearly working well, I'd find the 160 on the front too limiting and too tiring on the hands over longer rides; that will get changed to the 180 shortly.
It's a bike for journeys pure and simple. I don't agree with someone's armchair grumbles above about the stack being too high and the BB drop too short. It rides just fine and will make even more sense once loaded up and with an adventure in front of you. I'm not a fan of ultra low BBs anyway at the best of times; I tend to ride in the Highlands most of all (surprise!), where rocks and ruts are common problems, unlike the groomed trails elsewhere. I did wonder about maybe flipping the stem and may yet try that position but for now, I don't feel the need.
^That’s a great write-up. Would be interesting to see how it pans out with any more changes you make and after some time spent with the bike.
Chanced across a video review (in Spanish) with English subtitles:
Received emails from Decathlon today saying that this bike was still not available, so they were "purging my request for stock notifications". More worryingly they also now seem to have removed it from their website. Pretty gutted as had decided it was precisely what I was after, only learning of its existence at around the time of this thread, but guess they may not be getting more in (to the UK at least).
Also noticed a (Spanish?) Facebook review on the bike yesterday which showed a sticker on the right fork leg saying "limited edition 1/200"...
Surely that amount of R&D wouldn't result in a such a limited run of production bikes, unless it might have been one of the pre-production prototypes?
...anyway, another possible Brexit casualty if limited stock has gone elsewhere
snap; they're gone from the French website but still showing on the Belgie one (albeit out of stock)