[Closed] nearly three years Calibre Bossnut / no remorse?

@frozenwhite-bloke:

If I could afford both I would buy a better bike

I know. Was a joke.
But happiness is not connected to 1 k or 2 k.
Had expensive bikes and (normal) trouble started after 2 weeks. Fixed it and went biking...!

Lower priced bikes: expect also some trouble!
The world isn't perfect...

And, in the end: the "happiness" you buy for 1 k or 2 k will be the same...

Too much worry-time / thinking: creates a headache.
🙁

If I could afford both I would buy a better bike

But would you? I've been looking myself at full suspension bikes recently and not seen anything upto 2k particularly better than a bossnut. First one after bossnut I liked was the new whyte 130Sr at 2250 and I'm sure I only like the looks better lol

@firestarter-bloke:

full suspension bikes recently and not seen anything upto 2k particularly better than a bossnut.

Guess we bikers are an complex bunch...
If we worry too much about a 1 k full suspension bike - the manufactures will rise to price tag to 2 k ? Same bike - less worry?
😯

But what I hope: that we get more good trail bikes in the 1 k range!
And this thread indicates: maybe we shouldn't worry so much...

Well I have three mtbs and no suspension whatsoever so I'm not that complex 🙂

But would you? I've been looking myself at full suspension bikes recently and not seen anything upto 2k particularly better than a bossnut. First one after bossnut I liked was the new whyte 130Sr at 2250 and I'm sure I only like the looks better lol

Fair point 😀 What do you think about the Boardman Team FS? Would you go with Bossnut over that?

I'd go calibre purely on the shimano drive train as I prefer it to sram

I'm not a bike snob I used to have a calibre fat bike and I currently have a boardman hybrid and a pinnacle mtb

You think it's tough trying to decide between two sub £1000 bikes, just imagine the dilemma if you had more money burning a hole in your pocket and you could choose between hundreds of different bikes!
Personally I've never spent over a £1000 as I normally buy used. I'm currently trying to decide what I want next and- like the above poster- I also like the t130,but when I think long and hard about it I struggle to find a reason to spend almost 3× the price of the calibre on something that will essentially do the same thing with very little difference!
I should imagine the calibre or the Boardman would be plenty good enough for what most of us need if we were honest with ourselves,ie one or two xc or trail centre rides a week and a couple of bigger days a year.
I'd go for the bossnut by the way.

I really fancy the Bossnut myself, I think it looks great. If I'd of known about the 15% off I probably would of got one!

I even looked at used bikes and was struggling to beat the Bossnut infact I couldn't. I found an orange 5 at 1750 local to me which yes it's an orange but it's used it's almost twice the price and in all honesty much more bike than I want or need. And in my hands wouldnt be any different to a 1k full sus

I think I'm possibly just going to stick with my rigid tbh although if I decide to go full suspension it'll be a Bossnut, I might hang fire til v3 😉

Yeah with the 15percent off at 850 it's a steal

just imagine the dilemma if you had more money burning a hole in your pocket

...this forum is just great!
So much fun.
😯

Looks like the Bossnut is winning on votes

Looks like the Bossnut is winning on votes

maybe so.

But look:

I might hang fire til v3

firestarter-bloke talks about a possible Bossnut V3...
What now?
😈

@andreasrhoen ,I think you may have taken what I wrote slightly the wrong way there.I didn't mean to sound like someone with piles of money to throw at whichever bike I choose because I haven't, I'm almost skint actually LOL.
I was trying to say to frozen white who wants to buy on a £1000 budget (like me)and is clearly having a bike choice dilemma (like me) that any one of these two bikes should be more than up to the job for most of us,and that having a bigger budget would just make the choice even harder!

firestarter-bloke talks about a possible Bossnut V3...
What now?

Stop trying to ruin my life 😆

Any idea when the Bossnut V3 will be released? I'd imagine there will be a new Boardman due out as well

No mate I'd guess at start of summer as that's when last update was iirc

Not after a full sus at the moment, but I'd go straight for a Bossnut if I was.

I've got a dune, and although the brakes got replaced for hydros, the 8 speed gears, square taper cranks and basic sealed hubs etc.. have been fine, I don't feel the need to upgrade to 1x11 and a fancy chainset as I wont get £200/300 extra fun out of the bike.

Some things like good brakes/tyres give massive performance upgrades to a bike, but most upgrades are just for the joy of upgrading. Not saying that's a bad thing, we all do it, but it's not necessary to have a fun and usable bike.

I think I'm going to pull the trigger on the Bossnut. Especially at £850

Do it!

Stop trying to ruin my life

Any idea when the Bossnut V3 will be released? I'd imagine there will be a new Boardman due out as well

No. But there will be always a "next version". Not for £850 so. And you might have a long, grey beard by then. 😉

Do it!

example that money can't buy you a trouble free bike:

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/jeffsy-bottom-bracket-foocked-after-5-months-whats-a-good-replacement

YT Jeffsy
2 k or 3 k or 4 k bike?

The Jeffsy is a very nice bike. But mountain bikers will run into these stupid problems. No matter if you buy 1 k or Dubai 3 k...
🙁

You get a pike on the boardman pro but a revelation(?) on the beastnut. That to me is a no-brainer.

The pike will still be the better fork but if its the new revelations specced on the bike it wont be as much as a diffence as before.

The revelations have been beefed up and improved to be to the pike what the yari is to the lyrik.

sounds great.
Suntour improved the SF18 Auron (trail) and the SF16 Durolux (downhill)- means Suntour creates a lot of pressure for Fox and RockShox in this higer priced segment now. And Fox... Fox has a fairly new fork for the lower price segment - the Fox Racing 34 Float Rhythm. Guy Kesteven claims that this fork "feels like a pike":

With your "revelation" information: all good news for us bikers!
😉
Fork on the Bossnut V2: Rock Shox Sektor 130mm
Also a good fork!
130 mm RockShox on a 1 k bike... 😯

frozenwhite - Member
I think I'm going to pull the trigger on the Bossnut. Especially at £850

Do it! I would if I had the cash and could still get the discount.

A 1k bike which is no match for the Boardman or the Bossnut:

http://www.mbr.co.uk/reviews/full-suspension-bikes/btwin-rockrider-740s

Decathlon / B'TWIN / rockrider 740s.

Sounds like B'TWIN is updating this bike right now- the current 740s-V2 version is on sale.
But the B'TWIN guys still have to go a long, long way to get to the level of Boardman and/or Bossnut.
Wouldn't consider buying the 740s-V2. That's a "no-fun-bike".

I went Bossnut, it didn't work out and I had my money back but I'd still choose the same if I was looking at a full suss bike for a grand.

It was a right laugh to ride when it was working properly, and Go Outdoors and Mike were good at trying to sort the issues, but I was having absolutely no luck with it and decided to go back to a hardtail.

prawny-bloke:

Go Outdoors and Mike were good at trying to sort the issues, but I was having absolutely no luck

When you mention "Mike" - you mean Mike Sanderson, the designer of the Bossnut?
Above sounds serious - able to describe what happened?

@prawny-bloke:

are you the famous Bossnut V1 owner who detected this:

The first version of the Bossnut had some issue with certain tires touching the frame. That's fixed.

?
Made poor Mike Sanderson sweat ... - and redesign the bike...
😯

prawny-bloke, couple days ago, this thread, second post or so:

I think the frame rub issue was pretty much it,

So...this and above:

Go Outdoors and Mike were good at trying to sort the issues, but I was having absolutely no luck with

let me bet - you are indeed the V1 owner who found this "frame rub issue"...
🙄

This forum is a blast!
prawny-bloke - you wrote UK bike history!
😉

@andreasrhoen What shock pump do you use for your Bossnut?

Seems a lot of love for the Bossnut!
I did consider the Boardman team as well, but as I couldn't go up to the Pro I just went with gut.

I've not had any rub issues on mine, only problem was a shock issue, fixed under warranty in about 3 days!

I'm sure there will be a V3, its been too popular not to. I think there was a 2 year gap between the V1 and V2 (not counting the slight re-design due to frame rub) so would imagine the V3 will be out 2019ish. Same idea as Boardman as well.

Seems a lot of love for the Bossnut!
I did consider the Boardman team as well, but as I couldn't go up to the Pro I just went with gut.

I've not had any rub issues on mine, only problem was a shock issue, fixed under warranty in about 3 days!

I'm sure there will be a V3, its been too popular not to. I think there was a 2 year gap between the V1 and V2 (not counting the slight re-design due to frame rub) so would imagine the V3 will be out 2019ish. Same idea as Boardman as well.

I'm ordering mine today

You get an extra 10% off at Go Outdoors if you're a member of the YHA...

@andreasrhoen What shock pump do you use for your Bossnut?

Rock Shox Fork/Max 20 Bar/300 PSI 00.4315.023.010 Bicycle Air Pump

If you google for this you will find the pump - or similar / equal ones. Mine is quite old. Guess they are now cheaper and better?
20 bar / 300 psi max will be fine (depending on your riding style and your weight the Monarch damper needs around 130-140 psi. The fork around 110 psi. Means if the pump delivers max 300 psi you are safe).

Just for fun I have this unit as well:
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/topeak-d2-smart-head-digital-pressure-gauge/rp-prod53796

But I use this topeak unit really more on the tires. I first pump "too high" with the normal tire pump and adjust then with the Topeak. Is fun and very precise then.

On the damper and/or fork it's more tricky to adjust the pressure EXACT. When you unscrew the air pump you loose always a bit pressure due to the small air volume of these units(compared to the tire).
Means on damper / fork: bit of learning experience.

I'm ordering mine today

In the first couple weeks you need to check and adjust all kind of small things. What I could do - as soon as I have time - I could copy and paste useful links from youtube. Refers to shimano, headset play, BB & crank, damper adjustment (correct damping), fork adjustment (how to find there the correct damping) and stuff like this...

Don't remember if you are already a mountain biker or if you start now with the Bossnut.
If this is your start: you might enjoy checking youtube for some "mountain biking lessons". This stuff is very helpful - starting from the correct body position and how to go into a turn and stuff like this. If you are new in this field: mountain biking and "normal" biking is very different. To learn it correctly right from the start will help you later...

But no matter what. You have now a good tool / bike to start.
Congratulations!!!
😉

In the first couple weeks you need to check and adjust all kind of small things. What I could do - as soon as I have time - I could copy and paste useful links from youtube. Refers to shimano, headset play, BB & crank, damper adjustment (correct damping), fork adjustment (how to find there the correct damping) and stuff like this...

Don't remember if you are already a mountain biker or if you start now with the Bossnut.
If this is your start: you might enjoy checking youtube for some "mountain biking lessons". This stuff is very helpful - starting from the correct body position and how to go into a turn and stuff like this. If you are new in this field: mountain biking and "normal" biking is very different. To learn it correctly right from the start will help you later...

But no matter what. You have now a good tool / bike to start.
Congratulations!!!

Cheers that would be ideal. Bike was being built today and I am collecting it tomorrow. The guy who is building it has one and seemed pretty clued up so hopefully the build is ok

@frozenwhite: great!

In winter time when biking in deep mud: I clean all suspension and suspension pivot bearings with a brush and water.
Then I spray plenty cheap silicone spray onto the bearing points (but be carefully not to spray onto the rear brake and brake disc)
Before I ride I spray again a bit silicone spray onto these joints.
That's NOT for greasing. This only prevents the water/mud sneaking into the gaps...Silicone spray as "anti stick".
In dry conditions I don't do anything with the suspension joints.
Don't use oil or grease on the suspension joints...!

front and rear derailleur: I spray cheap, thin hardware store oil onto them
Chain: I oil after every MUDDY / WET ride...

First couple weeks: check 2 times or so the torque on the Shimano crank (2 bolts) and the headset. Best with torque wrench.
Check also the torque on the brakes (by feel). The brake calibres need to be aligned to the brake discs...

Takes couple rides to brake in the brakes. First week or so do a lot of high speed and slowing down quick.
The brakes will improve a lot.
No oil or whatever close to the brakes, brake discs. If you did maintenance clean the brake discs again...

important links:

Bike Maintenance: Setting Sag
(for the Bossnut use plenty sag on the fork and not so much on the rear)

Rebound fork adjustment
use this video only for the fork rebound!
(my Bossnut V2 fork: only one click damping was enough to keep the front tire from "jumping")

rebound rear damping
curb test
perfect way to adjust the rear damping. Good, good video!
(my Bossnut V2 damper: exactly half the damping)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiHQd4mzl3Y

How to adjust your headset
new bike: check if you have play - or not - before every ride...
If you need to adjust: use LITTLE torque on the bearing adjustment screw (screw in the top)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jfIIdhG31g

RockShox MAXLE (front)
(lever needs to be snug, if not there is an adjustment in the middle. IMPORTANT how to tighten up the lever. Do that with the Bossnut V2 with front wheel mounted)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH54fozbo4I

How to: Set up and adjust your rear derailleur
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiFY3PRixjA

How to: Set up and adjust your front derailleur
(Bossnut V2: no rotation of the front derailleur / frame mounted)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNG7g83lI-s

Which tire pressure to use:
(Bossnut: max pressure maybe with 29 psi front / 29 psi back, this is a good starting point. From there you might lower a bit. Depends on your riding. But don't go too low...)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBUilx1WDbg

@frozenwhite...how to BIKE:

Global Mountain Bike Network
youtube for GMBN

How To Get The Perfect Body Position On Your Mountain Bike

The ULTIMATE Guide To Cornering | GMBN's MTB Tips

5 Common Mountain Biking Body Position Mistakes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDXyjh3SI7w

and many, many others...

In the beginning: your correct body position is what you have to train most.

Many, many other good youtube videos...

Do some real training sessions for yourself. Start meeting others on the trail. And then try to find a group where you fit in!

Mountain biking might start as a pain.
But you have to get over this and then it's getting just great.
Fantastic, fantastic hobby!

Wish you good luck with the Bossnut!!!
😉

@frozenwhite... more details - haha:

no idea HOW NEW you are in the mountain biking world...:

Bossnut V2 rear derailleur, Deore, small lever for the "clutch":
normally ON.

Sektor fork, (blue) lock out knob on top of fork:
normally OPEN. Only when "racing" uphill, getting out of the saddle you need to lock the fork.

Tire punctures are nasty in muddy winter time, what's easy to do:
fill roughly 100 ml sealant milk into each tube.
For this you need to unscrew the small core of the PRESTA valve.
How to unscrew this valve core:

sometimes there is a little tool on the air pump to unscrew the PRESTA valve core. At least on my Topeak air pump...

now fill some sealant into the tube - like:

I add some sealant every 6 months or so...

Note: I will this stuff into the TUBES and didn't convert to tubeless!

Bossnut V2 WTB Bee Line Rear Tire: better than what I expected. Still on my bike. But this tire is not very puncture resistant.
To avoid trouble I use the sealant.
No puncture so far!

Front tire, Vigilante: check if the Calibre guys got the "rotational direction" right of the tire. If not you have to correct this (or GO Outdoors has to do it...)

The WTB tires on the wide Bossnut rims, with correct (fairly low) pressure: a blast!

You might ask GoOutdoors also for a pair of cheap mudguards front and read.
Rear: protects you in winter time from too much mess
Front: best to mount to fork bridge to protect the stanchions of the Sektor.

After mud ride: clean the stanchions of the fork and the Monarch damper rod. But no lubrication on fork or damper rod!

New fork might need two weeks or so to become really smooth.

Guess that's it.
Hope wasn't too much stuff.
Have fun now you new bike- frozenwhite bloke !!!
😯

@andreasrhoen thanks for all the advice. Very much appreciated. The guy from GO Outdoors said this was the first one he had built with the newer Shimano brakes. Do these levers look the same as yours?

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yours look indeed sleeker and newer.

Mine: also Shimano. But older version?

Was looking at this but noticed a review said it doesn't fit bossnut. Can't tell if the review relates to original bossnut or v2

http://m.gooutdoors.co.uk/calibre-front-guardian-p380139

Mmmhhh not sure why it shouldn't fit.

The front mud guard has to be pretty "thin" - there is not much room between the Vigilante and the Sektor.

To me this guard looks o.k.

@frozenwhite:

you mention somewhere that you like to change the pedals.

Actually found that they are not as bad - as long as you are not jumping.

As soon as you start with jumping: o.k. more grip on the pedals will be helpful.
For trail riding in mud: the Bossnut V2 pedals are working fine for me.

Pedals on my bikes: last max for one year. I ride the Bossnut pedals as long as they work and upgrade then.

I've got a pair of DMR V8s on my V2, the stock pedals on the Bossnut aren't the greatest and I have V8s on another bike so know I get on with them. Plenty of decent cheap flat pedals around though.

Running an [url= https://www.evanscycles.com/rrp-enduroguard-front-mudguard-26-27-5-29-EV225011?esvt=55068-GOUKE2273058&esvq=&esvadt=999999-0-1218150-1&esvcrea=189702332820&esvplace=&esvd=c&esvtg=pla-307261645369&esvo=EV225011-STD-RED&esvaid=50080&gclid=CjwKCAiApo3SBRA4EiwAty8i-vGGQSqXeHE3bZ8_yGTJd30Lt0Ek8Uim1M2DrZNjsVqjE0X0oDYKpBoCC0AQAvD_BwE ]Enduro Guard[/url] standard size on the front and that's with a 2.4 Chunky Monkey. Tight but there's no rubbing.

Looks like the beastnut will be released soon (or similar)