Is it just me, or are the new style XTR boxes just too good to simply chuck away??
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mmmmm, shiney!! 😆
Just me then???? 😳
You could have wiped the box clean before you photographed it!
I pretty much save all top end boxes really: Hope, Lezyne, XTR & Fizik all used to stash away various fiddly bike bits and Shimano shoe boxes for larger items 😳
Yeah, they are nice. Pity they usually get chucked into a bike shop recycling bin...
I've still got mine from a few years ago. Lovely packaging!
Quite like the new Saint boxes. Have kept the crank box for odds and sods
Yep - I kept the previous generation ones my cranks came in too. And Saint ones.
(utterly pointless, they just take up space in the shed)
Idle pondering... How much cheaper would XTR/Apple/Other products be if all packaging was plain recycled brown with simply the part number and barcode printed on?
To some degree I an understand it on high street products that are all out on display on shelves, but most Shimano stuff only ever sees a store-room or warehouse!
Through the varied members of STW someone must be able to give us an idea of what %age of the packaging cost of products could be saved?
probably peanuts per product but over millions of units worldwide I bet it adds up to a lot of money.
Your brave admitting you have XTR on here. Someone will be along shortly to tell you that SLX is just as good but heavier.
Nice box though.
Idle pondering... How much cheaper would XTR/Apple/Other products be if all packaging was plain recycled brown with simply the part number and barcode printed on?To some degree I an understand it on high street products that are all out on display on shelves, but most Shimano stuff only ever sees a store-room or warehouse!
Through the varied members of STW someone must be able to give us an idea of what %age of the packaging cost of products could be saved?
probably peanuts per product but over millions of units worldwide I bet it adds up to a lot of money.
It's got a whole thread of recognition here. With Apple, the unfathomably popular unboxing videos would surely be fewer in number and less loved.
The marketing guys know their stuff and a few pence on additional wow factor keeps people feeling special and buying the high-end , big-margin kit.
andysredmini
Your brave admitting you have XTR on here.
Because i'm worth it.......... 😆
I have a few shimshoe boxes around the house with various things stashed in them 😀Shimano shoe boxes for larger items
you may have a point. most of my stuff turns up in placcy bags from crc or merlin but every now and then you get a proper retail version and go "oooooh niiiiice" at the box, there is obviously a lot of thought gone into it.How much cheaper would XTR/Apple/Other products be if all packaging was plain recycled brown with simply the part number and barcode printed on?
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A pal of mine use to design high-end cigarette boxes, attention to detail was superb - and customers paid far more extra than the costs involved.
My favourites so far are crankbrothers boxes, not shiny, but really, really swish.
I swear the wooden box my Big Muff came in cost more to build than the fuzz pedal did!
Pffft your box must be a seconds, the red writing is missing
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XTR? Look a bit cheap and tacky next to the old M970 Yumeya boxes...
I agree with all those who would rather have cheaper kit that arrived in a plain cardboard box than all the fancy packaging that goes in the bin within 10 minutes. Even if its recycled I would rather it stayed as a tree
KMC DLC Chains come in a necklace style jewellery box thing
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Idle pondering... How much cheaper would XTR/Apple/Other products be if all packaging was plain recycled brown with simply the part number and barcode printed on?
I had a similar thought, but about how much more it would cost us all if supermarkets were forced to wrap own brand stuff in cardboard and compostable plastic instead of the stuff everything is wrapped in now.
It's got a whole thread of recognition here. With Apple, the unfathomably popular unboxing videos would surely be fewer in number and less loved.The marketing guys know their stuff and a few pence on additional wow factor keeps people feeling special and buying the high-end , big-margin kit.
A pal of mine use to design high-end cigarette boxes, attention to detail was superb - and customers paid far more extra than the costs involved.
The discussion about whether or not it works in the long run of making the product more desirable and offsetting the cost is a whole different topic, as clearly it works, I was more curious about how much it actually costs in terms of raw £, not whether or not it's made up for in increased sales/perceived value.
There's also an aspect of incredible wastage on excess materials, card, glue, ink*, power to produce and print etc. Even if most of the end result is recycled, part of me despairs at the amount of resources that go into packaging, regardless of whether it generates more £ overall, but that's a symptom of maximising and focus on profits rather than sustainability in general and a much bigger (recycled) can of (plainly labelled) worms right there!
*Ink is a massive one that people often forget, think about the amount of pigment used in images and lettering on printed labels on a variety of products, imagine if you could cut that down by even 25% (less colours/smaller images etc) and the saving that would be if you lopped of 25% of your annual ink cost, even in a basic business printing flyers or documents, it's a big saving, not just a £ saving but all the associated production energy and materials that go with it, for a multi-national labelling millions of units the global figure must be staggering.
Nice bax! Silver foil blocked and debossed 😉
*Ink is a massive one that people often forget, think about the amount of pigment used in images and lettering on printed labels on a variety of products, imagine if you could cut that down by even 25% (less colours/smaller images etc) and the saving that would be if you lopped of 25% of your annual ink cost, even in a basic business printing flyers or documents, it's a big saving, not just a £ saving but all the associated production energy and materials that go with it, for a multi-national labelling millions of units the global figure must be staggering.
Doesn't really work like that in reality though (unless Shimano et al have their own printing facility). For spot colours or UV varnish you may see a small saving (typically two bands of pricing <50% or >50% coverage) but general process colour work is the same price regardless of ink coverage. It is possible to design and print stuff that looks expensive but isn't actually more expensive to produce, but most designers either don't know how to achieve this or can't be arsed as they aren't paying for the print/packaging.