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to have a nice warm drink while going for a walk.
That’s just weird.
I'm still going to try it.
[ making it myself though, sadly... I miss coffee shops... and will spent in them relentlessly once we're through the worst of this ]
It seems you appear to know more than the Human rights
barristerbarista quoted on the BBC article. Tell us more…
FTFY :->
So the guidelines/rules are stay local, well i did, got 5 miles went down a muddy track and fell off and hurt my hand, wish i'd gone to the forest now FFS!
Just popped in to see if there was a consensus.
Carry on.
It's not the people carrying a coffee on their walk I object to. It's the mouth breathers who drop the empty cup in the countryside (or whenever they may be) that wind me up.
It’s not the people carrying a coffee on their walk I object to. It’s the mouth breathers who drop the empty cup in the countryside (or whenever they may be) that wind me up.
Beat me to it. Should be a punchable offence.
mouth breathers
As long as the mask covers their mouth and nose...
It's the chin breathers I can't effin stand, the ones who think the mask only need to cover their chin.
I take a coffee (or tea) whenever I go for a walk round my local woodland park with my daughter. Should I not be doing that? Is a hot drink against the rules on a cold day among the trees during lockdown?
not against the rules - just weird 🙂
I often but a hot or cold drink outward or inward on a walk. No idea why that be weird rehydrating or keeping warm.
If a coffee is a picnic, is a water bottle and a bag of Haribo a banquet? What’s the fine for that?
I received an email from our local council (North Yorkshire) but I imagine it's pretty similar to others (my emphasis).
Here is a summary of the key points of this national lockdown. You are only allowed to leave home to:
> shop for essentials for your household or a vulnerable person/people you are helping and this should be as locally as possible;
> go to work, or provide voluntary or charitable services, if you cannot work from home;
> exercise with your household (or support bubble) or one other person, this should be limited to once per day and you should stay local;
> meet your support bubble or childcare bubble where necessary, but only if you are legally permitted to form one;
> seek medical help or avoid injury, illness or risk of harm (including domestic abuse); and
> attend education or childcare, for anyone who is eligible.
exercise with your household (or support bubble) or one other person, this should be limited to once per day and you should stay local;
I think the issue is local hasn't be defined. How do you define local is it a postcode, borough, radius (ie what wales did), city. Until an exact definition is given anything is just opinion from people.
So none of you think about 3rd party contact of foodstuffs. None of you disinfect or quarenteen your shopping as it comes into your house?
Wheely bin handles, petrol pump hamdles, cash point touch pads, selt service check out screens
Its nieve to think none of these surfaces can have a viral load
This could also be helping to push the death rate over 1000 a day.
Yes, the coffee lid is a nice treat on a cold day, but crossing your fingets and hoping that the barista ( Tesco shelf stacker) is covid secure is in my opinion blasé at best, but you crack and lick their fingers if you really want to
I like a coffee whilst out on a walk. But I'm a tight bugger so take a flask with me. You are not truely middle aged until you own a selection of vacuum flasks.
So none of you think about 3rd party contact of foodstuffs. None of you disinfect or quarenteen your shopping as it comes into your house?
Wheely bin handles, petrol pump hamdles, cash point touch pads, selt service check out screens
Nope, haven't done any of that since the pandemic started. Talking to friends, none of whom are high risk, I don't know anyone who does. Had quite a lot of takeaway coffees as well.
We use plenty of sanitiser, wash hands, wear masks, keep a proper distance from people. I was wasn't aware the expert advice extended to all the other stuff.
I like to take a coffee with me if when I go for a ride or a walk. I had no idea that this was 'weird'.
I think it's been pretty much established that coronavirus is transmitted by droplets in the air - so masks and open windows are likely to help prevent it. Government advice says:
"touching surfaces is not thought to be a common way that COVID-19 spreads"
so you're probably ok with a cup of coffee. There's a small risk, of course, but probably more from breathing the same air as the person who passes the cup than from later drinking from that cup.
Obviously someone with a brain has given Derby Polis a rocket. Those 2 ladies FPN's will be recinded within 24hrs and common sense prevails.
FFS its a pandemic not a full scale reversal of civil liberties taking us back to the 1700's
https://www.derbyshire.police.uk/news/derbyshire/news/news/forcewide/2021/january/force-welcomes-new-guidance-from-npcc-around-about-travelling-during-lockdown//blockquote >
Wow, I can't believe that Derbyshire Chief Constable didn't read the guidance from the NPCC when it was published 2 days ago.
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I don't take coffee, I take tea, my dear....
.....which is actually what they were drinking (peppermint)
So none of you think about 3rd party contact of foodstuffs. None of you disinfect or quarenteen your shopping as it comes into your house?
Wheely bin handles, petrol pump hamdles, cash point touch pads, selt service check out screens
Every time new stuff comes into the house it gets cleaned, when I'm out on the road and buy a drink/sandwich, it gets cleaned.
I stood in a supermarket and watched a woman with latex gloves on, sneeze on her gloves then proceed to touch everything she possibly could. It was like she was using the shelves as a climbing wall.
Off topic, but why do people squeeze a bag of oven chips before buying? Are they checking they're ripe?
I wear gloves when I put fuel in the van, sanitize after putting the pin in and avoid people as much as possible.
As far as I'm concerned, riding from home is staying local, even if it's a 35mile ride. Driving to ride is not, I'm not going to judge anyone that does though.
Especially as if I have the bike with me when traveling about for work, I'll go for a ride.
Ultimately staying away from others and not touching stuff people have touched is the way forward.
You're not alone, Jamesoz. I do all of that.
Sanitising my hands while out riding after touching gates etc as well.
I've never done any of that and haven't caught the covids. Good job really, I'm quite busy with work and can't afford a few days in bed feeling a bit poorly.
You might have. You might be one of the 30% asymptomatic carriers, and be transferring the virus around with your dodgy hand hygiene (duly noting that airborne transmission is the major route by far, not surface)
So none of you think about 3rd party contact of foodstuffs. None of you disinfect or quarenteen your shopping as it comes into your house?
Wheely bin handles, petrol pump hamdles, cash point touch pads, selt service check out screensIts nieve to think none of these surfaces can have a viral load
I don't because the risk of transmission from surfaces is extremely low. I still wash my hands after going out somewhere but quarantining shopping is not necessary.
And while London transport has a cleaning regime it won't be every 10 minutes and was interesting that no virus was found on any surfaces on buses, oyster card readers, touchpads etc,.
This could also be helping to push the death rate over 1000 a day.
Not really. That will be because people were still mixing in houses (allowed), going out to eat (sitting for hour+ with no masks on) and the fact people could mix to a small amount over Christmas will just be adding to that 1,000 a day from round about now.
I've had two teenagers in college, surrounded by positive tests, and attended socially distanced face to face out if school activities when permitted. As part of an "elite" gymnastics display squad LittleMissMC has been hands on with team mates since September - both our kids, and their friends, are pretty sensible and neither have even been asked to isolate.
MrsMC is a front line social worker and has been having to visit clients throughout the pandemic with nothing more than a mask and sanitiser. She's had an order that this must continue in the current lockdown. She's also been doing Guiding when face to face was allowed.
I'm way beyond worrying about the risk of the virus on my tin of beans, tbh.
Yup, ditto.
Mind an umbrella when out walking, save your coffee lid from the chemtrails....
Mind an umbrella when out walking, save your coffee lid from the chemtrails….
How did I miss that!
Not knocking those who are taking extra precautions, especially if medically vulnerable.
Just had a conversation with a mate and decided that just because we are allowed to have a socially distanced ride together - which would be amazing for our mental health - probably best for now to keep our multiple family bubble links apart for a few more weeks.
Update on this for current Lockdown v3.0. Apparently the stay local but isn’t actually in the legislation. It is of course sensible advice and IMO should be adhered to though
@joepud - part of the problem is that "local" is relative to where you live and realistically should apply to all activities outside your home. I live in a rural location, a 3km limit would mean I could visit the chinese takeaway but not the Spar or Co-op in the village.
Shopping: I take bags for the goods and use one of those as a wrapper to the basket handle. I'll only pick up what I'm going to buy, i.e. no browsing.
I'm not perfect by any means and I'm not going to criticise others who are careful but those who hold parties, etc. need to be called out.
@joepud – part of the problem is that “local” is relative to where you live and realistically should apply to all activities outside your home. I live in a rural location, a 3km limit would mean I could visit the chinese takeaway but not the Spar or Co-op in the village.
In Ireland the regulations are you can go to certain essential activities essential food shopping, care duties or work but exercise you can’t go for more than 5km from your home, seems pretty easy to put into legislation (and cuts out a lot of whataboutary) obviously not if you’re a bunch of bumbling buffoons
What happens if you live on the coast, or by a big lake or airbase or...... that 5km limit then compresses you into half the space?
(Not really, just illustrating every way of restricting by hard rules has a counter, and why despite there being a lack of common sense, I still prefer solutions where we act as if it's in abundance)
You take a jetski, go see yer burd.
If you are out cycling on your own then the distance from house is irrelevant to risk. The risk increases as the time you are out increases.
You could ride round in a mile loop for 10 hours or you could go for a ride for an hour but 10 miles from your house at furtherest point.
The problem with a resticted area from your home is that if you live in a city it's very difficult to access anywhere without encountering large crowds of people. This is not about having a set of rules, it's about using your common sense, taking as few risks as possible and not endangering any body else. It's not about trying to twist rules to allow you to do what you want.
What happens if you live on the coast, or by a big lake or airbase or…… that 5km limit then compresses you into half the space?
As you say there always a counter.
A few of my friends are impacted by being on the coast, one couple face a lake and friends have big hills with no paths behind their place, all in the south west of Ireland. They just seem to get on with it and don’t moan about it - that’s not in anyway a dig at you.
The problem with a resticted area from your home is that if you live in a city it’s very difficult to access anywhere without encountering large crowds of people
I live in south west London, yet to have an with large crowds when taking exercise, I quite enjoy long walks around streets and bits of town I don’t know that well, and the park opposite looks fairly quiet right now.
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This is not about having a set of rules, it’s about using your common sense, taking as few risks as possible and not endangering any body else. It’s not about trying to twist rules to allow you to do what you want.
But someone, somewhere, ultimately has to make a judgement call as to when someone has crossed an arbitrary line. Interesting views on local (Derbyshire TV) last night, one person told that driving 5 miles to a country park for his regular walk seemed outraged, someone else said "sorry, I didn't realise"
The key point is that this is for "exercise", not "leisure" or "recreation". A change of wording/emphasis would make this all so much clearer.
Only just discovered how many MPs voted against the lockdown this week. Absolutely ****ing disgraceful.
My wife's FB has just pinged that the police are out at Peaslake checking on walkers and MTBers there.
Only just discovered how many MPs voted against the lockdown this week. Absolutely **** disgraceful.
And I don't even need to look to know one of them will be 'my' MP Desmond Swayne who is a massive **** even by Tory MP standards.
obviously not if you’re a bunch of bumbling buffoons
Let's hypothetically say one of your kids has mental health issues which mean that even though a walk is physically possible from where you live it isn't an option. You have spent months trying to get help but even in good times child mental health provision is difficult to access without a threat of suicide. The chances of getting a consultation before lockdown ends are zero
By some quirk of the condition your child will go to locations not visible from the top of the hill you live on which means if you have any chance of getting him outside for exercise in the next three months it will involve a three mile drive.
Again hypothetically can you imagine what your own stress levels are over that before you add in the prospect of having to explain yourself to one of Derbyshire's finest (in front of a child who is incredibly sensitive about their condition)?
Yes there are selfish idiots out there but there are also people who are clinging on by their fingertips doing the only thing they can to hold on.