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Stop being such a Tit, Warbling on about this and that. If you don't Piper down you'll be tying youself in Red Knots
Sort of further to the UCI release on training intensity I posted the other day, I've seen the more detailed paper/summary/whatever it is behind that and it has some interesting stuff on duration and intensity that may make you consider exercise duration:
'There is now a large body of evidence to suggest that regular bouts of short-lasting (i.e. up to 45 minutes) moderate intensity exercises are ‘immunoenhancing’, whereas repeated bouts of long-lasting (>2 h) arduous intensity exercises can be ‘immunosuppressive’
On top of that, fasted riding and non-fuelled riding is bad for immune response. Keep eating folks.
So while there may be no government guidance on exercise duration, the UCI seems to be suggesting that if you're looking at things in terms of your immune system, keeping rides below an hour and at 'moderate intensity' is a good idea and long rides, particularly ones where you don't fuel properly are not a good idea.
I know there's a lot of debate over exercise and immune systems, but fwiw, that appears to be the UCI's thoughts. Given that there's nowt to train for in event terms anyway, hammering yourself seems a bit pointless regardless. Bear in mind the UCI focus is elite athletes, but I thought there was some interesting stuff there. I am not a sports scientist, so I'm not really in a position to say how plausible this is in physiological terms, but you'd hope the UCI would be clued up.
I guess I can copy and paste the whole thing, complete with references etc, if people are interested. Maybe on the thread I started a couple of days back based on the UCI mail-out.
mehr
Well done scotroutes, I bet you’re dead chuffed with yourself?
Don't be a berk.
He has done well, and without people like him, we would not be able to have the freedom in Scotland that we have.
You don't have freedom at the moment .
On the plus side thanks. I'll chuck the bike on the car and come over for a ride now I now I'm not breaking the law.
Thanks BWD
That kind of info, concisely summarised in an intelligent way is just what we need.
Rob
tomd
If that was directed at me it’s Godwin’s Law and the Stasi had nowt to do with the Nazis. It’s a reference to their zeal for surveillance and turning citizens on each other.
It's interesting that Markus Stitz who lived under the Stasi regime is making the same sort of comments as you.
It’s been quite interesting how a small but not insignificant group of people are getting semis over enforcing these rules.
I know right, it’s almost like it’s a matter of life or death for some people eh 🙄
You don’t have freedom at the moment
Access rights haven't changed, just how you exercise those rights.
If people are unnecessarily or illegally restricting access all it will do is focus numbers of people in fewer areas and that's something to be avoided I think.
Thanks BWD
That kind of info, concisely summarised in an intelligent way is just what we need.
Rob
No problem. If it's helpful to anyone here, that's great.
@Rydster what laws have I broken? I do my once a day run for 5km and that's it.
Me acting responsibly and feeling uncomfortable about snitchy curtain twitching zealots aren't exclusive.
While it may be necessary to some extent, I find it terrifying how quickly the population is willing to act in this way.
Carl Schmitt* wrote about this exact thing happening in times of crisis. It always sounded a bit far fetched but I can actually see it now.
*Yes I know he turned into a wrong un, but some of earlier ideas have merit.
I think what we are witnessing is folk needfully restricting access because many people are unnessecarilly accessing the land.
It cuts both ways in this situation.
When this is all over and they still try to restrict access then it's open season on exercising your land access hero powers.
As it is when you access without being a dick just ride past the signs. But it'll make those driving up from far and wide think twice
I got challenged by a farmer on my night ride on Friday.
I am a 'key worker' in financial services and had been looking forward to my ride for several days.
I was cycling up a lane that joins another lane. The farmer passed in some large vehicle on the lane ahead and drives slowly up it and disappears.
I rode up the lane and he's waiting at the end of his drive for me... 'What part of lockdown don't you understand?' is his opening line. Bit aggressive! lol.
It didn't really register with me at first that he was being aggressive and it was a bit weird. It became clear that he clocked me coming up the lane and he was going slow to see which way I was going.
Then waited like 10 mins for me to get up the lane to get to his house so he'd probably got himself all pumped up ready for a confrontation. He wasn't gonna get on with me though.
I started by explaining that we're allowed out for one period of exercise a day, he counters this with 'no you're not' lol.
I said 'we are, even Boris said so on the TV.' He says 'there's a policeman who lives down there, let's go and see what he says shall we'
It gets better, I'm sure an off duty copper would really welcome a farmer and cyclist rocking up at his front door at 8.30pm and in dark. lol
I says I'm only going for a ride round the woods, pointing to the woods on the hill in front.
So he's lost that one so he starts trying to make out that the lane past his farm is a permissive bridleway, and it belongs to him and that he's banning all cyclists from using it.
I know very well it isn't as I've been using it for years but I humoured him and said something like 'fair enough, if that's your choice please inform the authorities so that the police are aware etc'
and he says I'm not doing that and starts walking away like he's had the last word that's the end of it, so I called him back to finish the convo.
I asked if he owns the lane at the end and got him to admit he doesn't so 'we' can still ride up there without issue and he said yes.
So I calmed him down and we went our seperate ways, I think he just wanted to have a go, god knows why, there was no issue with anything I did or was doing.
Question is... do I continue to ride up that lane to the woods, which is very convenient or go up the road?
I don't want to provoke him and could do without getting into fisticuffs. I suppose I could just cycle off if he confronts me again and waggle my fingers with my thumb on my nose but as I'm getting older I'm more for a peaceful resolution if I can.
That said he should not be preventing people riding up a legal bridleway. Maybe I'll just take my chances and if confronted calmy explain that it is not a permissive bridleway and I shall continue to ride up there, it’s his choice how he acts.
I’ve now got the local RSPB to admit the signs they’ve put, restricting access to the forest, are wrong
Tit?
it belongs to him and that he’s banning all cyclists from using it
Great tit.
Bombers...obvs
Hunt is out there talking sense again. The world has turned upside down, and I want him back in the role I was once so desperate for him to vacate.
Bum his tractor with your dog whilst nailing sausages into the Stasi, or something like that
So I calmed him down and we went our seperate ways, I think he just wanted to have a go, god knows why, there was no issue with anything I did or was doing.
Probably because people are dealing with a frightening situation over which they have very limited control. Understandably lots of fight or flight hormones whizzing about, cue odd risk analysis and confrontational behaviour.
I think maybe it's the same thing that's happening to an extent on here in a virtual way, which is why we need to cut each other some slack and not jump down each other's throats.
Sounds like you dealt with the situation in a sane, reasoned way 🙂
Cummings is down… is it wrong to wish the worst? (I know it is, but the man really is dangerous).
I would. But then I'm so wound up at the moment I'm looking for a punch up, don't really care if I win or lose, I just want an outlet for this ****ing rock I've got in my chest. Hitting the kids is out because ideally I'd like them to not grow up like me so an arsehole farmer seems like the perfect target.
I'm sure there are millions feeling the exact same way as me right now so this **** will undoubtedly try it on with the wrong person at some point.
Hunt is out there talking sense again. The world has turned upside down, and I want him back in the role I was once so desperate for him to vacate.
Whilst I find myself agreeing with a lot of what he says, I find his very vocal criticism just distasteful. He's cynically attacking the current regime at a time of crisis because it's his best chance at getting into power if / when it all goes tits up. We should not lose sight of the fact that the NHS was systematically underfunded for 6 years under his watch - including all the crisis planning / preparations etc.
Understandably lots of fight or flight hormones whizzing about, cue odd risk analysis and confrontational behaviour.
Possible.
Or he might just be another Farmer Palmer type cock.
Get ooooooorrrrrrffffff moiiiii laaaaaaaand!
The ends are totally different than the GDR. We're trying to prevent the health service being overwhelmed by Covid-19 patients due to a pandemic not trying to hold up a repressive communist regime. Take off the Che T-shirt.
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It’s been quite interesting how a small but not insignificant group of people are getting semis over enforcing these rules.
Because it's not effing fair is why. You're following all the rules, curtailing your enjoyment of life, not going out like you want to, not seeing mates, not going to the bakery for a nice coffee and pain au chocolat, and you see some utter twunt carrying on as if the rules don't apply to him.
And we're weirdly obsessed with the idea of fairness and all in it together - we can put up with sh*t if everyone is having to put up with the same sh*t.
Boo hoo, life's not fair. The world isn't fair. I can quite happily curtail the shit out of my life without getting wound up about someone riding too far or some cackers drinking white lightning in the park.
It’s interesting that Markus Stitz who lived under the Stasi regime
Please tell me that while off on his adventures he found a woman to marry called Norma
R4 World At One, today's edition (30th March):
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000gt59
Relevant to this discussion from 17:05 onwards, worth a listen.
You’re following all the rules, curtailing your enjoyment of life, not going out like you want to, not seeing mates, not going to the bakery for a nice coffee and pain au chocolat, and you see some utter twunt carrying on as if the rules don’t apply to him.
Since this thread is about biking, I'd point out that we're all free to ride our bikes as far as we want as long as we don't go near anyone else. For trail centre MTBers this probably means no, but for lonesome roadies it's a yes.
Since this thread is about biking, I’d point out that we’re all free to ride our bikes as far as we want as long as we don’t go near anyone else.
really how does that square with ?
These reasons are exceptions - even when doing these activities, you should be minimising time spent outside of the home and ensuring you are 2 metres apart from anyone outside of your household.
or are you just ignoring the minimising part as that's inconvenient ?
Because it’s not effing fair is why. You’re following all the rules, curtailing your enjoyment of life, not going out like you want to, not seeing mates, not going to the bakery for a nice coffee and pain au chocolat, and you see some utter twunt carrying on as if the rules don’t apply to him.
Hardly anyone is "carrying on as if the rules don't apply".
And even if a few are, the main thing is that most people comply, not all.
So be content with feeling smug and superior, but there's no point getting angry really.
That said he should not be preventing people riding up a legal bridleway.
If he really needs convincing give him a copy of the Definitive Map/Statement.
If you believe he is obstructing cyclists routinely the correct thing to do would be to contact the highway authority to report this. If nobody reports it then he may continue blocking cyclists unlawfully.
These reasons are exceptions – even when doing these activities, you should be minimising time spent outside of the home and ensuring you are 2 metres apart from anyone outside of your household.
or are you just ignoring the minimising part as that’s inconvenient ?
Well I clearly comply with the 2m part.
As for minimising the time spend outside - how do you define minimise? 2hrs? 1hr? 30mins? The minimum is no exercise, but they're encouraging us to exercise.. so it's conflicting.
And that's before we discuss why I should be minimising my time outside if I am not near anyone or touching anything, which is the case on a road ride.
As for fairness - every able bodied person is also free to ride - surely this is fair?
how do you define minimise?
well patently not....
I’d point out that we’re all free to ride our bikes as far as we want
Don't waste your time. Zealots be zealing.
Got a mate who's fair smashing some roady km on his once a day outing. He's lost his business because of this and doesn't qualify for help.
I'll send Klunk to tell him he's a dreadful human because he's breaking a limit set by klunk's mind.
galileo is in the house
I'd say that everyone who is stressing over this should go and de-stress on a nice bike ride.
Go on, it'll do you good.
Which is better, one 5 hour ride a week or five 1 hour rides a week?
Which is better, one 5 hour ride a week or five 1 hour rides a week?
Based on the UCI stuff I referenced earlier in the thread, probably the latter at a sensible intensity with adequate fuelling, but I suspect that's not really what you were asking?
I'm obviously reading the wrong press and following the wrong facebook pages. I haven't seen any grizzling about cyclists cycling - except on here of course.
kelvin
Cummings is down… is it wrong to wish the worst? (I know it is, but the man really is dangerous).
Maybe it's of more value for him to realise he was part of the herd that he was so happy to see culled of its weak and vulnerable.
Hopefully his case will be severe enough that he will not be so enthusiastic about eugenics in future... 🙂
how do you define minimise?
well patently not….
I’d point out that we’re all free to ride our bikes as far as we want
I wonder what a legal expert would say?
Ah, we have one here - an ex Supreme Court judge. His view seems to be that the police enforcing made up rules and ministers' pronouncements is a bad thing - the start of a police state, no less:
I haven’t seen any grizzling about cyclists cycling – except on here of course.
Very much this. Even my regular cyclist baiting friends aren't having a pop.
Ah, we have one here – an ex Supreme Court judge
He's always worth listening to.
Don't always agree with him but always worth listening to.
Yep, that's why I linked to the full audio interview on the last page. R4 World at One, 17:05mins in.
I heard Sumption's pontificating when he was interviewed.
For an ex supreme court judge his views were lacking both in common sense and a wider appreciation of what's happening.
FWIW, I have no issues with actions taken by Derbyshire police.