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Its about reducing the micro risk. 10 000 people drive to the park. x% will break down (= increased risk). x% will need to fill up (=increased risk).
I've just been for a run (with my daughter on her bike). A woman stopped me on the park because her car key had stopped working (she was with a small child, getting cold). I managed to get her key to work. But that increased the risk to both of us.
There is no point clapping for the NHS if you think you can carry on as normal and the risk to you is ok. If 50 million people take steps to reduce their micro risks (for all things - no gnar) then there will be a net result.
The more people are dicks (8 hrs rides around the block), the sooner we will be in full lock down.
I've been doing the isolation thing for 2 weeks already - not gone mad, not felt my mental health has been at risk, not had to hoard bog roll or alphabetti spaghetti, nor to binge eat, go for stealth night rides or see pals for 'random' rides and the biggest problem is getting a puncture on the turbo trainer!
This is not so hard guys - stay home, be creative, learn new routines and pass the day in new and different ways..... maybe bake a cake, make jammie dodger bikkies or a chicken pie?
I'm 90% this will all turn out OK and 10% ****ing doomsday; lets pull towards the 90% eh?
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My one exercise a day is walking the dog so the running and riding has been curtailed.
There's a dusty turbo trainer in the back of the shed. Does anyone know of a good guide to turbo training (with a heart rate monitor if required) to try and keep things interesting.
I’ve been doing the isolation thing for 2 weeks already – not gone mad, not felt my mental health has been at risk, not had to hoard bog roll or alphabetti spaghetti, nor to binge eat, go for stealth night rides or see pals for ‘random’ rides and the biggest problem is getting a puncture on the turbo trainer!
Lucky you. I know people that can't tick some of those vital boxes, and then to be told that they feel that way after 2 weeks and there could be another 10+ like it.
This is not so hard guys.
Yes, yes it is for some. Anxiety off the scale in one case, depression, panic attacks.... I know people with all these, and rightly or wrongly these are felt as more immediate threats to them than the risk of the virus itself.
I'm not saying this is an excuse to remove lockdown, or as a reason to break the rules but making out it's easy because you are managing is very close-minded.
“This is not so hard guys...”
Yes and no. It could be worse but it’s not easy with a very grumpy 4 month old, and two larger but still small children. But it’s worse for a friend who’s a single mum with four small children. And worse still if you’re in her situation but without a garden.
If it was just me on my own with a normal and probably furloughed job I’d be writing and recording my self-isolation concept album. But instead I have to juggle helping keep my wife sane and sharing the baby wrangling and childcare whilst somehow keeping my business alive and living on very little because I’m not entitled to the self-employed 80% or much of the PAYE 80% because I’m a company director.
But it could be much worse.
This is not so hard guys.
Yes, yes it is for some. Anxiety off the scale in one case, depression, panic attacks….
Yep, I'm doing what's allowed by the rules, because if I didn't, I'd be stretching the NHS further needing a consultation and prescriptions for meds again.
If we all get properly confined, I'll have to deal with it. But operating within the rules and doing the minimum I need to do to protect my mental health for as long as I can is far better for me and the NHS
There’s a dusty turbo trainer in the back of the shed. Does anyone know of a good guide to turbo training (with a heart rate monitor if required) to try and keep things interesting.
If you can, hook up a laptop with an hour+ long pov riding video, and start off with some "base miles" which is zone 2 heart rate.
Maybe do some intervals on another day.
Unless you have zwift, turbo training is going to be boring, so you need something to keep your mind occupied.
Can you not go running with the dog?
Haven’t the NHS stated that they want people to get exercise as it strengthens the immune system and helps to fight the virus?
I saw that yesterday (though not sure if the source was actually NHS) but I can't find it now.
I could run with the dog but that would mean that she doesn't get the sniff stimulation or the play engagement we would normally give her.
Haven’t the NHS stated that they want people to get exercise as it strengthens the immune system and helps to fight the virus?
I saw that yesterday (though not sure if the source was actually NHS) but I can’t find it now.
There have been a few people promoting exercise. Not sure about an official NHS or government response. For example this was on the BBC: Coronavirus: Stay fit to fight the virus, say medics
Also from that article: People are also being urged to take action now to cut the risk of developing other health problems which could put further strain on the NHS.
Well I would say people have got the message and are following the rules a lot more now.
I did a variation on my normal Sunday loop - less tech, more gravel - and saw hardly anyone out and about.
Car parks on Woodbury were mostly empty and the main road near Sidmouth, which is normally heaving on a Sunday morning, was deserted.
Can you not go running with the dog?
Better still, train the dog to use the turbo and go out for a ride.
Purity Spiral
Quit with that meme, it’s irrelevant to the current situation we are in. Stop the spread. You know what really needs doing. Do it. If you don’t, we’ll all end up inside all the time for the duration to help keep people alive. That full lock down would seriously and dangerously effect the mental health of some. Think of them.
There’s a dusty turbo trainer in the back of the shed. Does anyone know of a good guide to turbo training (with a heart rate monitor if required) to try and keep things interesting.
Find the GCN videos on youtube, use 4k video downloader to download if your wifi is patchy where the turbo is. Start with Get Fit Fast 40 minute sweetspot workout.
Use/buy a rear wheel speed sensor or an old school cycle computer to tell you wheel speed.
Practice finding the right pace to complete the workout. No harm building up e.g. pick arbitrary lowish pace (I think 25km/h would be pretty slow on any turbo).
I eventually worked up to approx 32km/h per interval for the sweetspot workout, again, this is totally arbitrary as it depends on turbo and bike setup. That was the pace that allowed me to complete the workout, just, rubber-legged, but completed!
It's a tough workout, once you figure out your best speed etc. and maybe plug in some good tunes, you WON'T get bored. Boredom comes from just aimlessly trying to pedal for a set period of time with no targets or structure.
Start slowly, let your knees adjust, jumping straight into intervals on a turbo is a recipe for knee pain.
Quit with that meme
My apologies
PURITY SPIRAL
Because repeating it and putting it bold caps somehow makes it more valid.
I quite fancy a road ride now because by the sound of it the roads are even quieter. Windy AF tho which ruins it.
Very little traffic noise around us. Even in the midst of the forest there's an absence of the ever-present, but indistinguishable, road noise. It would be a superb time for a bivvy, though my next will have to be in my garden😊
@scaredypants talks sense.
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Maybe we should concentrate on penalising the congregating dicks rather than those using a form of exercise that just about guarantees a large degree of social isolation and has health benefits.
Maybe we need a party island we can send them to where they can party until they drop, one by one. May I suggest Gruinard?
20 planes landed in London yesterday from NY, currently one of the global covid hotspots.
Everybody was sitting close together and nobody was checked on arrival. All passengers dispersed around the UK, many on public transport which has no facilities for social distancing.
20 ****ing planes.
And yet the picture on the bbc of people flouting the ban is a policeman gesticulating at a lone female cyclist and we have drones targeting lone walkers in the peak.
Utterly crazy.
And?
More measures are needed at airports.
That doesn’t give you licence to risk spreading the virus to other areas.
Get angry with the government if they are not putting in the measures needed to track and contain possible new cases from hot spots around the world, not local police forces trying novel ways to get the message out to the public to stay at home, and take brief local exercise only.
I think I'll go for runs or rides in the city, the videos and photos show deserted streets and it's only a half hour drive. I'll need to get petrol on the way, maybe a snack too. Loads of people seem to be coming to the village, it's normally quiet here but today it's like a town centre.
There's two village shops which are providing a lifeline for vulnerable residents, but if the staff get ill then the community will suffer. Rural communities struggle to maintain sustainability at the best of times with poor public transport and services, which have been cut back further because of the pandemic. Living in the countryside is not a privilege, many of us do so for economical reasons and the distance is often a trap blocking access to facilities. If you live in an urban area, there will be another shop next door or a quieter neighborhood to exercise in nearby and more support services should you need them. In contrast living in a village means that I'd have to travel 4 miles to the next shop and if I became seriously ill I'd have to wait longer and travel further to get help. The farmers are rightly concerned by the increase in footfall, viral spreading aside it is also lambing season and an increased risk to their animals. A lot of them have had disasters such as flooding recently and are struggling to get back on their feet, and if they become unwell they might not be able to attend their stock and land.
The advice is clear to stay home and exercise locally
I agree and our family hasn't left home for a week except for 1 or 2 local rides from the door - not even been to a shop since Monday.
Still I think the shaming priorities are wrong - this whole exercise thing has been blown way out of proportion when compared to what else is happening out there.
Anyway I swore I wouldn't get involved in this type of thread as they dont help anybody. I was just appalled at the incompetence of so many in charge of this fiasco. Stay home, stay safe and try to stay sane.
We should have been monitoring incoming flights since January probably, but that doesn't excuse trying to work round the current lockdown rules
We had a lovely gravel ride around the New Forest today. Even the hotspots were remarkably quiet - there was the odd car in car parks but that was it. Few cyclists & wakers out but it was great to be able to ride two abreast on main roads without fear of a local mentalist trying to kill us in a car.
Better than no bikes at all, regardless of what we do it’s obvious that’s coming at some point now, they have already started dropping hints.
Is that true about NY flights? WTAF.
Still I think the shaming priorities are wrong
This is it in a nutshell for me.
I went for a ride yesterday, from my door, no car, no gnar, but really quite far.
Wasn't recorded, wasn't posted anywhere. I'd have got some stick possibly if I did.
I've seen the glee on FB as people delight in Police turning people away from the beach, driving to the forest to walk the dog etc.
If they were genuinely concerned about helping stop the spread, they'd be down the local shop berating those who stroll down there for a paper in the morning. I saw loads of them yesterday morning as I set off. Predominantly in higher risk categories I reckon, stopping for a blether and likely paying with shrapnel or scabby fivers.
Can argue this either way - sure everyone can find a way to justify what they are doing based on 'someone else is doing something worse'.
Bottom line - are we all doing as much as we can? If the answer is no likely that the lockdown just goes on for longer...
I got a decent ride up into the Pentlands today, just cycled from my door.
In comparison to walks round Arthur's Seat or the Crags, the extra distance, solitude and exertion really cleared my mind and helped me feel a lot better about the lockdown, which had really been getting to me.
First ride out in probably months today. Took the SS for a spin up from home out to the fringes of the Peak above Baslow. Even avoided some nicer sections of singletrack and stuck to the doubletrack and gravel lanes. Lovely time.
The disappointing thing was still seeing a few (three separate groups) out by Barbrook and Shillito Woods walking their dogs. Clearly nowhere near home and a few cars still parked up. I can understand the logic that now that most people are sticking to the rules the quietest place will be out in the Peak but it’s the sense of self entitlement that really ****s me off. Do it for the greater good arseholes.
That's a good point about the planes. CV came into the UK by plane.
It's time the distance between the seats was restored to a decent gap. It's inevitable that under current seating that if one passenger has something transmittable like flu, there will be others affected by the time the flight lands.
Ditto for security and immigration controls.
This might help when something even nastier comes along, as it inevitably will.
As far as being outdoors is concerned, is there any figures on how long the virus will "live" if it gets on vegetation? (eg did someone cough on that bush that I've just pushed past to keep my social distance)
There have been a few people promoting exercise. Not sure about an official NHS or government response. For example this was on the BBC: Coronavirus: Stay fit to fight the virus, say medics
Ah that was the one. Though meanwhile someone posted a link on another thread to nhsproviders briefing
"Mental health impact of social distancing
Jenny Harries (deputy chief medical officer for England) was asked about the impact on people’s health from being asked to stay at home. She said this is something they are concerned about and those being told to isolate for 12 weeks are given mental health advice in the letters they are receiving. She encouraged everyone to make the most of the extra time not commuting to exercise".
We were out for a local road ride today. If only it always be so quiet.
Just got back from a road ride (with a bit of gravel thrown in). Cold wind which has probably put people off going out but it was deserted. I mean like proper post-apocalyptic deserted. Actually quite eerie at times.
Farmers still giving it laldy round here ( and quite rightly)
The only issue is they now have to dodge people who have parked in field entrances etc.
Pelicans the lot of them
PURITY SPIRAL
I like that.
Had a great ride today, stayed local but had some cracking "good form" across the top of the Downs.😁
I ride from my door for ten miles, gentle off road and some woodland singletrack. Maybe 1000ft of climbing and I'm back home inside an hour. I was out and back before 7:30AM and didn't see another living soul. It's so peaceful sitting up by the trig point in the early morning sunshine. I even saw two wild horses this morning. Freaked me out. They have no business being there but I felt like I was the one out of place. Its easy to forget whats going on and frankly I need my bike ride to look forward to. We all need to be responsible and I know there's a small chance I might hurt myself, but I could just as easily fall down the stairs or cut the end off my finger chopping onions for tea.
Went out for a four hour ride today, quiet roads very little traffic, quite a few more cyclists bliss. Didn’t get close to anyone. Very low risk now with reduced traffic. Anytime I’ve needed hospital treatment after a bike ride involved a careless driver. Less traffic on the road lower risk.
Looks like this will be a long term thing so I’m avoiding the turbo for now. Did 8 weeks on the turbo December & January don’t relish going back on it unless I have to.
Most risky activity (for virus spread) I do at the moment is food shopping.
If you want to turbo fill your boots but don’t criticise folk for getting their outdoor exercise in which is recommended by the government as long as it’s solo.
I know a couple of van-dwelling traveller types, and they are getting a lot of shit from the police. These were in Bristol, and were being threatened with fines, vehicle confiscation, etc.
If your vehicle's your house what do they think you're going to do!?
A few of them are stocking up and heading for remote, out of the way places, not much else to do really.
So if you see a camper or similar vehicle parked up, bear in mind that could be their only home.
Went out for a four hour ride today
Well you really are a loony then 😟
Oh, and you manage to say ‘I’ 4 times, it’s not about you, it’s about everyone. Very selfish approach.
Went out for a four hour ride today,
keep up with this and this
Did 8 weeks on the turbo December & January don’t relish going back on it unless I have to.
will be the outcome
As others have said, around here the general public seem to be complying with the rules really well.
Did an hour and a bit road ride on my local hills yesterday and it was gloriously quiet.
I think people have got fed up with going out already?
Wish I was seeing more positivity in cycling groups and places like this forum though.
Stop judging people and focus on doing something useful yourself.
Aye, if there's a further lock-down it'll all be the fault of a few cyclists
https://news.stv.tv/west-central/large-numbers-flock-to-park-despite-covid-19-lockdown
****in arseholes.
Local bloke on Strava just posted a 145 mile ride.....
We all need to be responsible and I know there’s a small chance I might hurt myself, but I could just as easily fall down the stairs or cut the end off my finger chopping onions for tea.
Today's ride was safe, I tripped up in the house taking my tights off.