"and this part of the lane is dangerous for cyclists...." says the 80 year old former teacher turned activist as she stands on a flat and wide green lane. Dear lord, I do love the BBC. Shaping up to be an interesting programme!
Joyce is a great person and a cracking teacher, at least she is doing something unlike many!!
"Destroy our lives"?
"Can't collect our sloes"
Not the best of arguments. All it takes is flexibility.
pook - the main issues i see (as someone who lives in spitting distance) is the lack of respect for locals, the pollution, and the fat bastards that do it due to being so fat that they cannot cycle
This has great potential to wind me up. I can see where they're (the locals) are coming from, as someone who lives on the edge of the Peak but the way they appear to be going about it seems a bit off to me.
Lack of respect goes both ways though. I'd love to have a crack at green laning, but I'd do it with the same consideration as I do MTBing.
While I'm sure that the residents of GL have a point, they aren't really showing it effectively now.
Nor are the green laners to be fair though.
Also: is there a danger that this programme will simply highlight Chirpit Lane as somewhere to go green laning?
NIMBYism at it's worst. Slows indeed.
The locals bought land next to a BOAT and now they dislike it being a BOAT.
They'll start with the greenlaners, then the MXers and then they'll go after us.
Anyway - talking about this green lane... is it a decent fast drop? Looks like it could be ridden at light speed 😉
its a great down 🙂
yes pook - a bloody good blat, I imagine
yes pook - a bloody good blat, I imagine
I've done it on the CX a couple of times.
Didn't see any 4x4's or BBC film crews though.
going too fast bunnyhopping walkers crazy-legs? 😉
Seems to me that mountain bikers would be well advised to join groups like the green lane alliance (or what ever they want to call it) and let the Ramblers Association fight for the rights of their mountain biking wing. Seems like a no lose approach for the likes of us.
Thoughts?
Alternate use times? Ok that as a proposal isn't always workable but hey live & let live maybe?..
It will be us lot next a tell thee!
certainly a lot of NIMBYISM. asking those crossers to slow down when they were already going slow enough is just asking for conflict.
'and let the Ramblers Association fight for the rights of their mountain biking wing. Seems like a no lose approach for the likes of us. Thoughts? '
Cracking idea mate, we can go for the 2.5% of all paths in England and Wales that vehicles legally use (*that we already have access to anyway). After all we (mtbers get a whole 22% ish), the ramblers only get 100%+ (yes 100%+ - all tracks, plus open access, plus oncoming coastal path etc).
http://www.naturalengland.org.uk/ourwork/enjoying/places/rightsofway/prow/default.aspx
NIMBYism at it's worst. Slows indeed.
The locals bought land next to a BOAT and now they dislike it being a BOAT.
They'll start with the greenlaners, then the MXers and then they'll go after us.
This.
They won't stop untill all that's allowed are horseriders and walkers.
Appears to be a massive overreaction from some of them, with a huge lack of rational thinking. "I know people who wont come to the Peak District because of the motorbikes." The Peak District is huge, with loads of footpaths, not just BOATs.
Are those two chip lovers going for Audtions on "Creature Comforts"?? 😆
Ladybower is my absolute favorite!
I've always wondered what the attraction of driving into a national park and just sitting in theirs....
It's chips.....and sarsons vinegar!
It's all so clear now 😯
all I am seeing is moany old people who want their own way though I by no means condone the actions of some moto riders, they seem to have a massive bee in their bonnet
Loved the big chap talking about thinking about things as opposed to meditation. ROFL!
It'll be us next.
It's a bloody awful film though, meandering and wishy washy. They're trying to base it around personalities rather than issues and the background music is properly awful in a 1950s B-movie way. It's as if the people making the film have no interest in or understanding of what's going on. It's total bobbins. The real issue is that our entire rights of way system is an absurd, anachronistic farce where rights of way have nothing to do with fitness for use. Rubbish.
It'll be us next.
Won't they be too busy not banning 4x4s to bother with us? 🙂
Eeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!
(In response to the making love comment!)
I agree, mtbs were mentioned...
But it does seem to be erring on the side of natural England style racism!
Look at that massive group standing round all over the heather off the track....
yeah, I don't think that doc put the campaigners in a good light - just moany middle aged/OAP idealist nimbyists. the PDNP have been good on the whole by not banning outright but imposing sanctions, compromising.
The programme has finally made me realise how the Taliban came to power 😀
EUTHANSIA Alliance?
Id be pleased with an outright ban for all motors, since the current way of dealing with the erosion is to completely flatten the paths making it rubbish for riding anyway.. Chapel gate was a top descent and now its flat, they showed the work done on roych clough to flatten it and it's only a matter of time before the other side of roych clough gets done the same as it gets more and more destroyed by 4x4s
Well, of course, if we had a credible organisation to represent us, we would have nothing to fear. 😉
the PDNP (and other NPA's) use a massive sledge hammer to crack a nut in their rampant path building/restoration:
example
http://www.ukclimbing.com/images/dbpage.html?id=173489
I'm no fan of offroad MX / 4x4 - Unfortunately I've seen a sizable minority of ocurrences of dangerous / insensitive driving amongst them...However...
I thought the GReen Lane Alliance NIMBYs came across far worse in the film - as commented above they were just asking for confrontation on their local lane - the MXers weren't doing anything wrong at all in the case on film.
I can see the point of their arguments where MX/4x4 access is affecting people's day-to-day lives through local noise pollution etc., but to conclude that the only way to resolve this is to ban all vehicles from the park is just plain spiteful and selfish.
I also thought the park authority came across well, standing by their policies and not allowing themselves to be bullied by a vocal minority.
Dare I suggest that the locals feel intimidated? With all due respect to them, most are elderly coupled possibly with poor hearing and slow reactions. The same reasons why some do not like us.
As a motorbike greenlaner....
Under 2% of the rights of way network is accessible to motorvehicles.
A lot of people seem to think that the way to reduce 'overuse' is to further restrict the available routes for the same number of users.
Ok, some of these are your basic NIMBY, but a lot seem to be a lot nastier and overall aggressively selfish.
It's sad that when they have over 98% of the available routes to themselves that they still want more.
There's been cases of landowners having been proved to have been causing the damage they have blamed on greenlaners to their own land.
I've often thought it'd be an idea to find one of their meetings and to walk slowly in the roads in front of their cars, complaining that we wanted to be left in peace to enjoy this public facility.
While it's a hell of a lot harder to 'attack' mountain bikers, I think letting these 'injustices' go will set a precedent which will see freedom's reduced in the future. I see plenty of walkers that don't like a group of mountain bikers coming past on bridleways.
But where does it end? Once motorbikes and 4x4s are banished? Our tyre tracks will be chased off the hills.
The surrey hills get a battering from mtbs, and nobody seems to stop and think about erosion. What worries me more is a current trend in the bike trade away from mtbs down south. Road bikes are selling like hot cakes, so the pressure to maintain our access rights will dwindle so long as our community shrinks.
It did strike me as a biased piece, but then I don't think 4x4 enthusiasts are worried about the damage they cause. The more mud the better for them...
The argument becomes the same. We need to show compassion, restraint and respect for the landscape we want to ride in. That way our PR is half way there.
What I would really like is for an mx'er, having ridden along a Byway, to dismount and try walking along where he has just ridden. After his 6 mates have been along there too naturally.
They don't have a bloomin' clue and don't want to know either.
Can somebody tell me how the BOATs are legally any different from a tarmac covered road?
I have wondered about the 'erosion' issue...
Does it really MATTER?
Plenty of things cause erosion - water being an obvious example.
The changes by a few wheels are pretty tiny and the leisure users using them, and I suspect most on here, will appreciate a less consistent surface.
Be nice in open areas like the ones in the show if they could make a foot path next to it; then everyone wins.
