surely he should be getting a load of credit for the work he's done
Well he's got the green jersey and is virtually guaranteed to keep it.
A lot of us just want to see him get the stage win he's obviously desperate for.
Barguil is aching to get in the top 10, he's already crashed on stage 10, and has a bit of a rep for taking risks on descents.
It may be racing, but others won't like him being around riding like that.
yeah that would be cool, I was willing him to catch Plaza on the descent yesterday. Just seems to be a lot of people (including his boss) who think he's fluffed it coz he hasn't won a stage.A lot of us just want to see him get the stage win he's obviously desperate for.
It was a strange thing yesterday on that last climb, that the rest of the lead group were still more worried about Sagan than the actual stage winner. They didn't seem to realise that even a slim chance of winning was riding off up the hill while they were making Sagan do all the work.
Not the first time I have seen that, but I just wonder what is going through the other riders minds.
Ahh the rim/disc brake conundrum eh?
Bargil facts first: having been tapped just up the road by TVG, having his hand knocked off the brake lever, ran on the inside as there was a gap (and there was a gap) consequence having over cooked the corner and run wide tapping G into the barriers (unfortunate that a telegraph pole was there, but you could blame the local utilities company and council for that positioning, lets do that too)
Rim or Discs, would have made no difference to that incident. The incident occurred 50mtrs up the road when TVG and Bargil tapped each other way before Bargil tapped G.
Now, if Bargil hadn't have gone right over and apologised, which he did almost instantly as G crossed the line, then yay gertya pitchforks out.. But the fact that in racing incidents people who respect each other, and own up to incidents that they cause, or are part of, always own up and apololgise, always.
If you cast your minds back to 2013 MSR when whatshisname physically nerfed Cav into the barriers in the last 600mtrs and then refuse to apologise, then hey..
We could list, have a long list, of racing incidents where these situations occur. No body seems to get hot under the collar about bunch wheel taps at 50k's (Cancelaras incident, where whojimaflip tapped the guy in front and then brought the whole lot down into the ditch and Cancie got nerfed into another telegraph pole.. leading to a retirement, no apologies there were there? were there??) and for sure Rim or Disc brakes, would have made no difference whatsoeva.
It just restores faith in a lot of the current CG riders that they take responsibility in either their actions or those they are subject to that they take ownership and own up and/or make good or apologise.
Todays a rest day, bet G/TVG/Bargil are all out on their bikes tapping away as I tap away here, good on them.
#respctforracing
Bargil did over cook the corner & in the process took G off - an accident, it's racing but....I'd say he needs to reign it in a touch. There's racing, then there's (as the saying goes) writing cheques ones ego cannot cash..
I think his version of events stacks up.
He bumped into TJVG whilst they were braking and merging into a line for the corner (neithers fault by the look of it), that knocked him inwards at which point he had two choices, either look for a gap and re-join the line or brake and stop before the apex and re-join at the back. As said above, it's racing, you don't win anything by taking the easy option, he went for a 50/50 chance and it didn't work out.
I don;t think anyone has suggested it was deliberate.
But while it was an accident, he was riding like a prick on a really technical descent.
I don't think he'll have been given any pudding last night.
I haven't seen it, but didn't people say he was doing the same thing on following corners? Maybe his brakes were just completely rubbish.
Maybe he was completely shit up after a near miss, and was trying to not get fired out the top 10.Maybe his brakes were just completely rubbish.
Edit: Top 10 not the break.
One thing is for sure, if it had been Thomas taking out Barguil then he'd be needing his rain cape for tomorrow stage 🙂
Peter Sagan took inspiration from The Wolf of Wall Street as he finished second – again – on yesterday’s 16th stage of the Tour de France in Gap.Sagan was seen pounding his chest upon crossing the line after an unsuccessful chase of Lampre-Merida’s Ruben Plaza down the Col de Manse descent.
“I was doing this for energy,” he said, before acting out the memorable scene from the film involving actor Matthew McConaughey. “It’s from The Wolf of Wall Street, you know it?”
Sagan even hummed the rhythm that McConaughey’s character makes in the scene, prompting amusement and bafflement from journalists watching his press conference.
😆
[quote=bikebouy ]The incident occurred 50mtrs up the road when TVG and Bargil tapped each other way before Bargil tapped G.
Yeah, he was being an arse 50m up the road, as I alluded in my last post.
“Some riders were definitely taking some big risks. I was just trying to stay on the wheel that I was on and then a lot of riders were trying to come over the top and take over positions, and they were just taking way too big a risk,” van Garderen said. “That saw Geraint Thomas take a fall because it looked like Warren Barguil took him out. I’m just glad to have made it down safely.
“Warren was trying to come over the top of me. I was just trying to hold my position at the front to stay safe. It was a matter of who braked the latest and he was just willing to take big risks. He took out Geraint Thomas and almost took out himself.”
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tour-de-france-barguil-apologises-for-role-in-thomas-crash
Racing incident? I imagine it's the sort of thing you'd get penalised for in MotoGP - certainly in F1 racing incidents are where both people involved are pushing it a bit and neither is to blame, but you get penalised for avoidable contact like that.
Racing incident? I imagine it's the sort of thing you'd get penalised for in MotoGP - certainly in F1 racing incidents are where both people involved are pushing it a bit and neither is to blame, but you get penalised for avoidable contact like that.
Yeah in F1 that'd be a drive thru for "causing an avoidable incident".
In bike racing it's called divebombing and it's really not approved. If it works you can sometimes gain a dozen places for very little effort; if it goes wrong, it'll cause carnage.
That line and speed on that descent with that corner coming up was reckless from Barguil, no matter that TJvG did.
I couldn't watch Sagan coming down that last descent at some points, I love descending on the road myself but that was seriously fast....
Of course, he's a mountain biker and therefore...
(phil and paul joke)
Chris had a gearing of 52x39 and 11x28, which allows a lowest gear of 38x28 and allows for the high cadence that he does. He averaged 97rpm. His average heart rate was 158. His max heart rate was 174.
Anyone read CyclingNews? They've just published Skys power data release for stage 10 on Chris..
Erm.. that's me there ^ well change the name. 😆 as for watts, well he has that over me for sure.. 🙁
Cycling Weekly too - an interesting read. 🙂
[url= http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/racing/tour-de-france/what-can-we-learn-from-chris-froomes-power-data-183677 ]Chris Froome's power data[/url]
Somewhat disappointingly for some it seems to suggest his performance was good but nothing out of this world.
Froome took 64 seconds out of Quintana on stage 10 to La Pierre Saint Martin and Richie Porte beat him as well. Hardly superhuman stuff.
Also given how much these guys know about their bodies and performance, gauging your efforts at the leader and managing attacks is easier. At some point the challenger needs to gamble, the leader doesn't. Odds are with the leader.
Froome grew up and rode his bike at 5,500 feet above sea level; is it any surprise that he spins an easy gear fast and transfers the load to his heart and lungs? He is not a muscular bloke. Quintana should therefore be the closest to Froome in ability, having also grown up at altitude... and he is.
Nibbles and Bertie meanwhile are not looking good because this year fear of the night-time tests has prevented them from doping.
Bertie giro double...
Look at Porte best rider in the first 3 months of the season but the giro took it out of him. Grand tour doubles are not easily doable.
They've just published Skys power data release for stage 10 on Chris
Not the sort of thing you'd expect a doper's team to do...?
Nibbles and Bertie meanwhile are not looking good because this year fear of the night-time tests has prevented them from doping.
I don't buy that, Nibbles last year won a lot of time in the 1st week by racing smart, then he had no real competition for 2nd & 3rd weeks. Then as noted above Contrador has already won the Giro and yet is only around 1 minute 30 from 2nd place in the Tour.
Porte isn't a good indicator of anything, he seems awesome for up to a week, then disintegrates.
Not the sort of thing you'd expect a doper's team to do...?
No one is going to be able to look at one stage's worth of data in isolation though and say whether it is indicative of doping. It's far more complicated. At least it looks reasonable compared to some of the data from the big EPO abusers.
Guess they had to do something though. And as it looks like they have the beating of the field at the moment it's not going to cost them any competitive edge.
Look at Porte best rider in the first 3 months of the season but the giro took it out of him. Grand tour doubles are not easily doable.
Yes, don't think Porte's GT performances are indicative of anything this year either. Sick at the Giro and not riding for GC at the Tour.
Porte isn't a good indicator of anything, he seems awesome for up to a week, then disintegrates.
Back in 2013 he was consistent this far in, he was also up there last year until pneumonia got him. My point being racing the Giro and the Tour seriously to win both is probably relegated to the history of the dopers, hence why it's not been done for a while.
