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[quote=MoreCashThanDash ]However, you shouldn't ride so fast that you can't stop in the distance that you can see to be safe. If you can't see, you slow down or stop. Oncoming riders are a pain on my commute in winter, but if I'm dazzled I brake.
Six of one, half a dozen of the other. Hope the op gets better soon.
Not really. He's just repeated the explanation above - he could see the path in front was clear. A dog then ran into it. By extension of your argument, all vehicles should travel at 5mph everywhere in case a dog they haven't seen runs out in front of them.
[quote=iolo ]There's no wonder our premiums are so bloody high to cover people who claim on this accident
Bingo!!
Presumably you're not supposed to claim for accidents, only when somebody does something deliberately? I think maybe you're a bit confused about what an accident is.
That's what insurance is for. For accidents. You break something that's partly your fault claim against your own insurance.
Or you can try knock for knock.
Given the description, how exactly is it partly his fault when an out of control dog runs in front of him?
Presumably you also think that it's only claiming on other people's insurance which makes premiums "so bloody high"?
This is going round in circles. He couldn't see, kept riding, read the rest, it's been written a few times above. How could he prove was not already there if the lights were dazzling? And so on.
Presumably you're not supposed to claim for accidents, only when somebody does something deliberately?
No that's not correct is it. Typo?
He couldn't see, kept riding, read the rest, it's been written a few times above. How could he prove was not already there if the lights were dazzling?
Several others above have written this or something similar, and it's utter bollocks.
Driving at night on the road, every time you pass another car you're temporarily partially blinded such that you can't see what's immediately behind the other car.
Should you slow to walking pace, just incase there's someone in a black car with no lights driving erratically behind the passing car?
Dog owners should pay for the consequences of their out of control/untrained dog in this sort of situation IMO
bollocks.
Driving at night on the road, every time you pass another car you're temporarily partially blinded such that you can't see what's immediately behind the other car.
Not me, a trip to spec savers is in order for you.
Do we have the first superman with xray vision on this thread!
Chip you're just flat out awesome aren't you,you little minx.
Lets' not turn this into another godawful driving thread.
@OP Sympathies, your injuries sound highly annoying. For £120 of parts and some bumps and bruises, I can't believe you're even considering the time and expense of a legal process. Get on with your life.
PS. For whatever reason, probably the tone and length of your post, I remembered your sliproad post from a year back. That one went 6 pages with a similar pattern of responses.
He couldn't see, kept riding, read the rest, it's been written afew times above
I'm not sure it's me who needs to do more reading. The OP has now said several times that he could see the path was clear as he approached and that the dog ran out from behind the other cyclist. That the dazzling was only incidental at the point the dog ran out. Do keep up.
Actually Chip has a point, though not with the Specsavers bit.
If you avert your gaze to the left hand side it helps avoid the glare blindness. Works when driving, too.
Ill declare one thing first. My other half screws dogs (and other things) back together.Poor choice of place to put the parentheses, you don't want people pausing there, really, or they may end up with an ill informed view of your OH.
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Deserved quoting or/and re-quoting
If you avert your gaze to the left hand side it helps avoid the glare blindness. Works when driving, too.
That's cerainly true, but you are certainly not able to see much even doing this. Especially with some modern lights or poorly adjusted ones.
I don't want to spark off a driving thread, I just saw it as a decent analogy in response to those who claim you should always travel at a speed you could stop in if something appears in front of you.
It's just not realistic.
The other point to consider is that the OP reported the incident to the police.
The police informed him, after due deliberation there was no case to investigate.
So as no blame was apportioned how could anyone be financially liable for the OP's unfortunate incident?
I just saw it as a decent analogy in response to those who claim you should always travel at a speedyou could stop in if something appears in front of you.
I'd suggest that it's a pretty good idea for general riding and driving, and if you are continuously blinded by the glare of low sun the you should slow down. However it is unrealistic to expect somebody to slow down instantaneously because they are temporarily blinded by somebody else's badly aimed lights. There is a difference between the two.
What's more, it sounds like that made no difference.
iolo, so not only are you confused by what an accident is, you don't understand the difference between a criminal offence and civil liability either?
Ok, OP, go on Judge Judy
Ok, OP, go on Judge Judy
Aracer can be the 'expert' one stood next to him that keeps butting in and having to be told to shut up for talking shite.
Dog owners fault imo.
I don't see how a dog can be held responsible for anything, as a cyclist he should have been more aware of the potential pitfalls of dog walking at night, idiots some of them.
eg Dog on one side of road/cycle path and the owner on the other, connected by a 4 meter lead
The owner should have took reasonable steps to make sure the dog was visible, as a cyclist himself he would have been aware of this but just couldn't be arsed, if it had been my dog I would have took full responsibility and have been gutted I'd allowed it to happen and very apologetic.
Could the owner have done more to prevent it, yes, definitely yes, could the op have done anything different to prevent it, no I don't think he could.
I think it is pretty 50/50 on who was to blame.
The only definite conclusion we have arrived at is that Junkyard is a troll. Every thread over a page or two is littered with his nonsense 😕
I'm half to blame for a dog running under my wheel when I could see the path I'm riding on? Can you not picture this? You've driven vehicles and/or ride bikes in the dark,yes? A dark unlit path, two cyclists with bright lights approaching each other. One had a dog following him. Is it possible to see what's behind any vehicle with lights, such as dogs or animals? No, you just see the lights in blackness and maybe get an idea of the size of vehicle by the light type,height from the road, width etc. If no light is behind them,there's no definition on a dark night with no light behind. Is that too hard to picture and understand? You have got to be trolling. I really cannot believe I'm explaining this. I think the dog would understand this sooner. Nah,you managed to register and sign in, you have got to be trolling.
Dirtydog,it's so calming to read pure common sense every so often :O)
No, but you're fully to blame for not helping to find a potentially seriously hurt and scared dog instead of reporting the incident to the police immediately.
Regardless of who's fault it was and how strong your desire to be compensated surely a bit of compassion would have been well received.
Junkyard=KatyHopkins-KatyHopkins=Junkyard EUGGHHHHH!
If it was a road or cycle path then i would agree that the dog owner was completely at fault but this was a shared use path. Just because you can ride full whack doesn't mean you should. The blame here is 50/50. If I see a walker in daylight on a shared use path I slow down to pass them, just in case there is a dog or child running around.
I've had a dog killed on a road. My fault. I taught the dog to fetch things over obstacle courses so when I threw a ball too hard up a hill and it cleared the fence at the top, so did the dog. I couldn't shout quick enough to stop him. He took out the valance of teh car and died in my arms. Cost me a few hundred to fix the damage and I had no qualms in doing so BUT that was a road set aside for vehicular use. Shared use paths are a different matter requiring responsible actions and respect for other users.
I might have missed this amongst the various arguments but what do you want out of this OP?
As annoying and painful as the incident sounds there appears to be blame on both sides. I mean no disrespect but it sounds like you just want to know you are less to blame than the dog and aren't too fussed about any real compensation, in which case the £100 or so damage to the helmet so isn't worth worrying about and it sounds like you are in a position to take sick leave if needed so why worry?
Dog owners fault imo.I don't see how a dog can be held responsible for anything, as a cyclist he should have been more aware of the potential pitfalls of dog walking at night, idiots some of them. ...
Spot on DirtyDog. If you're going to take an animal on to a shared path at night it should have some sort of reflector vest or at least a collar.
The fact that the path is shared use means the OP is looking for people or bikes. Dogs don't come into the equation at all. I've no idea how fast the op was going but if he'd had a chance to see the dog then I'm sure he'd of slowed down and not hit the thing.
There may be no criminal case but the dog owner should do the decent thing and cough up for the helmet at least.
No, but you're fully to blame for not helping to find a potentially seriously hurt and scared dog instead of reporting the incident to the police immediately.Regardless of who's fault it was and how strong your desire to be compensated surely a bit of compassion would have been well received.
The OP had his ow injuries to worry about. Didn't sound like the dog owner showed an awful lot of compassion for the OP, and given that it sounds like he was pretty dazed and confused helping to find the dog was probably the last thing on his mind.
But the op mentions the dog owner asking about his injuries several times. And when he asked the op if he was going to the hospital, he says no but I'm going to the police? Just seems odd to me
Not nice mate, but does sound like an accident
We aren't American so let's leave this suing culture behind us
Some times accidents happen, the UK doesn't my head in with this blame claim culture
I can understand your frustration... Especially with the guys bad attitude!
Not cool!
tonyd - Member
Tough one to call, playing devils advocate it doesn't sound like the dog was dangerously out of control to me (as classified in the link above), more like an unfortunate collision.Could he have seemed aggressive through concern about his dog? You were up and walking, albeit a bit bruised and bloodied, but as far as he knew his dog might have been dying in a bush. Also consider that while you're £120 down, if his dog is alive it could be costing him a small fortune in vets bills. He might see the incident very differently to you and feel just as aggrieved.
This. A really unfortunate accident.
We aren't American so let's leave this suing culture behind usSome times accidents happen, the UK doesn't my head in with this blame claim culture
An avoidable accident by the sounds of it. A deer or a fox running out would of been unavoidable. Someone's dog should of been.
He's not looking for a massive payout by the sounds of it, just a couple of hundred quid to get a new helmet. I don't think that's too much to ask.
Can I just check:
somebody bangs their door into your car in the supermarket car park = shit happens?
somebody runs into the back of you in a traffic queue = shit happens?
somebody comes round the corner too fast on their bike and knocks you over, breaking your leg = shit happens?
in all of those cases to claim off the other party = American suing, blame claim culture?
Worth reading this thread just for this gem...
i love cycling but i hate cyclists....generally they're all pricks!
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If it was me, i'd just put it down to bad luck. Martinxyz, hope your hand heals well and you get back on the bike soon.
[quote=andy3809 ]No, but you're fully to blame for not helping to find a potentially seriously hurt and scared dog instead of reporting the incident to the police immediately.
wtf? So he's just been knocked off by a dog which the owner couldn't be bothered to control properly, and now whilst injured and dazed it's his responsibility to help find the dog?
[quote=andy3809 ]But the op mentions the dog owner asking about his injuries several times. And when he asked the op if he was going to the hospital, he says no but I'm going to the police? Just seems odd to me
Ah, so your complaint is that the OP wasn't completely rational following a head injury?
Ouch!…..hope you get sorted out one way or the other martin - the dog caused the accident - simple!.
Take amusement with the usual arguing back n' forward on your thread amongst the STW rightous moral minority and be thankful the collision didn't leave you with more serious medical issues.
Best o' luck!
Injured and dazed in as much that he went to the police first instead of the hospital? Not that injured then..
And not his responsibility at all but I'd have helped
Just because you can ride full whack doesn't mean you should.
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You are at it! ::keeps evidence of single digit speed at time of incident on Garmin as evidence:::
Andy, I was told there was no hospital in town.
Injured and dazed in as much that he went to the police first instead of the hospital? Not that injured then..
Pretty dazed then....
So how did you suffer such awful injuries and smashed your helmet at such slow speed? You must have been very unlucky.
andy3809 - Member
But the op mentions the dog owner asking about his injuries several times. And when he asked the op if he was going to the hospital, he says no but I'm going to the police? Just seems odd to me
Odd to me too,Andy. I was on the ground getting asked questions after cracking a Giro Hex in two at the forehead, please forgive me for not thinking rationally! I was worried that if I asked him for his details, he might have done something as I just upset him by hitting hit dog. He wasn't all nicey nicey when I moaned on the ground about his unleashed dog. I wasn't wanting this guy to just vanish into thin air on a dark night having not kept control of his dog. His idea of taking a dog for a run with no safety in mind has caused me all this injury through no fault of my own. I was doing everything I'm entitled to. Can you not see that? I ended up meeting him while I was with another dog walker and it turned out that he also reported the dog missing, AFTER I reported the incident of a dog injured through owner negligence,lost because it wasn't on a lead, being exercised down an unlit path by a guy on a bike with it running around him wherever it likes, leading to an accident causing mild concussion, broken hand/ligament damage, burst chin.
I had an 18 mile drive home after cracking my helmet open,my hand was aching and I knew it wasn't great as pressure on it was like it was broken, my chin was dripping blood with folk giving me the 'ooh, it looks well gashed'. I laid on the path not knowing what to do or say for 3-5 mins. If you put yourself in this position are you telling me you'd just turn a blind eye and go home with those injuries that were of no fault of your own? Pull the other one!
iolo,Maybe because the guy was riding down a hill at greater speed,with a tailwind, with a dog at the same speed and it had more of an impact on me?
Do we have the first superman with xray vision on this thread!
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What because I am not temporary blinded every time I pass an oncoming car.
I've been wondering this for 4 pages now. I can't decide wether it'sI might have missed this amongst the various arguments but what do you want out of this OP?
1. A need to vent. Fair enough, job done.
2. Looking for confirmation that he's in the right. Lots of that here, tick.
3. Looking for some encouragement to sue the arse off of the dog owner.
As a dog owner who runs and rides with the dog I think the dog owner was in the wrong here. If it were me I'd have either stopped and made the dog sit and wait or (more likely) slowed and called her to heel on the opposite side to where the OP would pass. If he'd given some indication he had a dog with him the chances are the OP would have slowed down or at the very least been more aware and so if the dog bolted he could have reacted and the incident probably wouldn't have happened.
OP, have you actually found the guy and spoken to him? If not then that might be a good start. You've made a lot of assumptions and assertions based on a few minutes interaction when you were dazed and confused and he was no doubt distracted by worry about his dog. Perhaps if you go and talk to him you might actually resolve the situation to your mutual satisfaction and this thread can be left to die quietly as it should have done about 3 pages ago 🙂