[Closed] Kicking dogs doesn't help

I'd like to add one point. I'm good friends with a dog behavioural specialist (of very high qualification and repute) and she tells me its the owners problem as the dog needs training properly. I tend to trust her over random dog owners and people with an opinion, as she does have a lot of experience in the field. While knowing how dogs react is helpful when dealing with badly trained ones, it's ultimately the dog owners problem to train it. She also points out that 99% of dogs are perfectly trainable to the degree we are discussing (if the owner knows what they are doing or bothers to train it correctly).

i ain't readin 4 pages of poo, but heres my advice:

as dog jumps up, grab its front legs and splay them outwardly, thus splitting its ribcage

you may get a little nip in the process, but the dog should die soon after

SORTED

shakes head and wonders off..................

No, qwerty, thats a popular myth - if you look [url= http://vanat.cvm.umn.edu/carnLabs/Lab01/Lab01.html#images ]here[/url], you'll see you'd actually just dislocate the shoulders

Cyclists - see dog, take the appropriate action to be seen / heard and be prepared to react accordlingly to dog.
Dog walkers - see cyclist, try and control your dog or warn cyclist accordingly.

Cyclists are not owners of the trails and should be prepared to slow down or stop when need be, whether its dogs/horses/walkers/children/deer/sheep/cows whatever.

I believe ALL dog owners should have to have a licence to handle dogs. To achieve this they must attend classes on how to train their dog, and how to be responsible with it.

I had a dog as a kid, and generally like dogs, however due to a couple of unfortunate incidents, dog (owners) have serioesly affected me ability to participate in my favourite pasttime (mountain biking) with my daughters.

We live on the edge of a national park, loads of scope for mountain biking, and access points are generally through car parks used by a variety of people but frequently dog walkers. When my girls were small, we would walk and cycle in the forest just a half a mile from our door - sounds idyllic yes? - it was.

But on a number of occasions careless dog owners let their dogs come running and barking upto my girls (then 3 or 4 years old) - they have been jumped on, knocked over and knockd off bikes. Now both are petrified of dogs (the older one, at 13, is getting better except for large dogs) but the younger one, now 10, is still terrified, and even takes time to get settled when we visit my brother and his dog whom she has known all her life.

As a consequence, we have to be very careful about what times we go walking (sunday mornings are out), and cycling together as a family almost never happens now, which to be truthful breaks my heart.

We try to introduce them to as many dogs we know as possible, and encourage them to play with friends dogs, but the damage is done. And still people ruin our day by not calling back their dogs when we ask them to, ending with tears, terrified kids and stressed parents.

[i]DezB - Member

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My dog is young and always approaches people, especially if they have dogs.
She goes into slinky stalk mode, head down, tail up, shoulders rolling. Looks pretty cool and tough and probably quite scarey.. She's tall, lean and totally black.

So I always call out to people (if she get's into faux-attack mode before I can grab her) "SHE'S FRIENDLY!" and then explain how the stupid thing just wants to say hello and be chased (by the dogs).

Am I doing the right thing? She hasn't been kicked yet. [/i]

No you are not doing the right thing. The right thing to do is CONTROL YOUR DOG as you have a legal responsibility to do. I do not want your dog coming up to me in any way. I don't care if it is freindly I want to go about my business without being bothered by your dog.

For sure if it ain't running up to you and barking then it is not as alarming and there will be little need to kick the dog - but I have the right not to be bothered in anyway by your dog and you have a duty to ensure this.

Can we try replacing the word dog with kids and then see if we still get the same reaction from people threatening to kick children and being bothered by them coming up to them. I don't like other peoples kids but it doesn't mean that if one runs up to me shouting and screaming or threatens me that i am going to kick them in the head for it even if the parents have no control over them. I just accept it and move on and i would suggest that certain people do the same with dogs.

I can understand it if a dog/child is going to attack you should be able to defend yourself but its normally the quiet ones that you have to watch out for, dogs like children can be unpredictable but you wouldn't have a child on a lead when out in public (although some should be on a lead and mussled, IMO of course).

If someone has been attacked in the past by a dog then i fell sorry for them and wouldn't wish that on anyone but it doesn't give them the right to take a swing at any dog that they come across who, in their opinion, is not under control.

Oh and TJ you can quote the law all you like but we all know that the law is an ass.

Interesting suggestion, bigsi. Picking a post from the start of this thread, here's what you get:

I was walking home down my road with a 6 year old boy. A big kid comes tearing at us and starts going for my son.

My choices were, let the kid rip his thoat out or kick him and get my son away from him.

bigsi, the problem is that kids of an age to run up and attack other children, can generally understand other people. most dogs i've met tend not to understand get off me before i kick you.

It would have to be quite an extreme situation for me to resort to kicking a dog or child in the head. i would be more likely to kick the owner/parent in the head for not looking after their dog/child properly.

BTW I own a well trained, well behaved dog, and I know that some dogs are not very well behaved and their owners are tossers that think it's alright for their dog to attack mine with no provocation, and unfortunately it seems the percentage of shite dog owners is on the increase.

Arn't dogs little human beings ?

I think dogs should be allowed to VOTE as well:-)

"Dog Tags" lol

I give up, clearly dog owners and cyclists CANNOT live in perfect harmony. Perhaps Tony Blair could look into this, its probably easier than trying to sort out the "problems" in Gaza.

bigyinn - I think that they can as long as BOTH sides are sensible and considerate to each other. It's when one side can't or won't see the other sides point of view or is inconsidirate to other trail users (dog walkers, horse riders, walkers, runners etc) that conflict starts.

I've always ridden with consideration for others and as a result have never had anyone have a go at me, even when I've been on a cheeky trail or when out riding with my dog 😀

Can't be bothered to read 5 pages, suffice to say, I'll feed the troll 😀

Dog's aren't people, and if one comes near me and doesn't f*** off when I yell 'AWAY' at it, then I will (and have several times) try and kick it in the head as hard as I can. I'm yet to find a dog that doesn't back off even if you don't connect. Hopefully I'll have administrated the training that the owner evidently hasn't bothered to.

I really don't like dogs, the sh*t they (/their owners - whatever) leave everywhere, so if one gives me an excuse I'll happily boot it in the face.

Cat's on the other hand are ace. If all dogs had been put down in 1939 and replaced with cats, WW2 wouldn't have happened. Fact.

Dorset Knob does speak some sense but I think Theodore Roosevelt spoke more sense when he used the West African proverb "speak softly and carry a big stick"

but we all know that the law is an ass.

Can I come round and nick all your stuff, then?

Got to say, I can't condone any cruelty to animals. Some people on here are talking about going way beyond mere self defence, which I find rather disturbing, tbh. If I saw anyone going OTT on any animal, I would do my best to stop them, or report them.

Rudeboy - You can try it but I'll set my dogs on you 😉

TJ - You're response to my post is right. We [i]will[/i] train her not to approach everyone. At the moment she hasn't learnt that (we've had her just over a month).
cheers,
Dez

Up to which point she is presumably kept on a lead (I was bitten by a puppy who hadn't yet learnt better)?

give over tj, i think i have a right to surf the internet without reading your tepid drivel, and i dont care if you are friendly.

soobalias

your post is utterly pathetic

if you don't want to read a post, just don't, just stop reading, it's easy you fwit

but if I don't want to interact with an aggressive dog, I can't just decide not to interact with it, it won't go away

I'm just going to stop dealing with your pathetic ideas right now

and if they keep approaching me I'm going to kick them in the head

[i]I believe ALL dog owners should have to have a licence to handle dogs. To achieve this they must attend classes on how to train their dog, and how to be responsible with it.[/i]

I once attended puppy training classes and gave up. Never trained our dog. When I swear 'come here now you little chunt' - he knows he has to. I must admit though (sick of pretending to be a stw-goodie) you can spot the types who dont like dogs a mile away- I dont recall him until after hes jumped up. That includes members of certain religions and sulky-looking blokes.
He never chases bikes but loves people (too much). This isn't a troll- it is ****ing funny to watch though.

Anyone who owns a dog and hasn't made the effort to train it properly is a wnaker of the highest order. If your dog isn't under your full control off the leash, then it must stay on the leash. If your dog can't be controlled on the leash, you should be ashamed of yourself and either make the effort or stop owning a dog.

If you defend yourself against a dog that is coming for you, fair enough - but then do something about it PROPERLY - through the system - use it.

If you tell me that you hate dogs and you'd happily kick any dog, I'll batter the snot out of you if I catch you doing that.

If you are TJ, you should put more effort into getting more work or being constructive with your time - not baiting people with your verbatim quotes of legal pish. You are really sounding like the loony neighbour we all know.

Hora - numpty - but we knew that already. You may think its funny but many of us don't. Your dog could be put down and you fined because you can't control it. that will be really funny won't it.

Tootall - I am trying to get selfish dog owners to see that they are in the wrong. Educate one a tiny bit and its a victory. Some dog owners - see Horas post above - seem to think its OK for their slobbering mutt to bother people - it is not - morally or in law. Some dog owners take their responsibilities seriously and train their dogs well.

BTW - I am in the middle of a 50+ hr working week looking after the vulnerable elderly of our society.

[i]Up to which point she is presumably kept on a lead (I was bitten by a puppy who hadn't yet learnt better)? [/i]

No, she's not. That would be cruel as she needs the exercise.
Part of the training is done out on walks and it doesn't work when shes on a lead. Anyway, she isn't going to bite anyone and if they kick her for approaching (just like if a dog bites her for approaching) I see that as part of the training too.
And honestly, I don't give a toss if anyone disagrees with me.

Honestly? I'm not really bothered. I actually like his unruly nature.. Drives my girlfriend crackers mind. I couldnt even bring myself to kick the Staff that bit him a few weeks back. Don't know, violence to a dog, its not on.

Going back a bit but my size 8 girlfriend was walking him once (on a lead) and a bloke took a swing at him with his foot as he said the dog was 'getting too close' on a canal footpath. Bingo was under control as she walks him on a tight leash.

Says it all really about the sort of men who would kick a dog. I doubt anyone dog-kickers on this thread would kick the dog of a football hooligan hey? Thought not. Good bye.

Good god this is all going a bit "Daily Mail" 🙄

violence to a dog, its not on

there you go - it was easy - after all that we have the answer

I've always tried to be courteous to other trail users when out walking my dogs and it's generally been met with a similar level of courtesy from others, walkers or cyclists. However reading some of the macho b@*llocks on here about "kicking dogs" makes me want to train them to attack and eat any mountain biker we come across who doesn't get out of our way.....

Rather than swapping "dogs" for "kids", maybe we should try reversing "dogs" and "cyclists", eg from TandemJeremy:

A cyclist has an absolute duty to control their bike at all times. This means that they should either be able to slow down or stop at command. If you don't do this with your bikes you are committing an offense in law. If your bike races up to me or my dogs even to say hello / to play you are committing an offense and the cyclist could be put down.

only cowards kick dogs. probably the sort of knobs that hit their wives.

Would you kick it if the size ratio was reversed? Lets just see how aggressive you dog kickers would be then 🙂

My dog punched another dog in the face with his paw. Knocked the little terrier flying on hos ar5e. Honestly.

at least dogs don't drink cider/stella/special brew ang hang round the local spa

[i]only cowards kick dogs. probably the sort of knobs that hit their wives. [/i]

Oh I don't know. You'd have to be pretty brave or insane to kick the pub's Rottie 🙂

[i]My dog punched another dog in the face with his paw. Knocked the little terrier flying on hos ar5e. Honestly. [/i]

Actually our westie is shit in a standup 'boxing' match with most dogs. Fun to watch but most of the dogs who participate are taller than him and end up falling ontop of him to win!

It is quite clear that there are a fair few people for one reason or another who just don't like dogs, end of story. But i have to say if anyone swung a kick at my dogs head it would definitely end in tears and snotters for them! My dog never has, and I'm sure never will bite anyone. Self defence from a snarling, biting dog is one thing, kicking a dog in the head because they came near you is another. The violence towards animals being posted here is disturbing. Ewan, you sound like a complete ****t, if what you've written is true then one day you will try it with the wrong dog and the owner will knock your block off. Be respectful to each other and I'm sure everyone will be a lot happier.

My dog punched another dog in the face with his paw. Knocked the little terrier flying on hos ar5e. Honestly.

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a cat punched my dog once. The wee coward was petrified!

So much tosh in one thread!!! Of course if a dog attacks you,you have the right to defend yourself.But the law requires it to be proportional.If you kick and kill or injure that Yorkie snapping at your ankle you could be prosecuted (it has happened).As far as the law requiring a dog owner to be in full control of his dog at all times,yes its true but in practise its only applied if the dog attacks someone or causes an accident.Dogs running around,going up to people sniffing them etc is just dogs doing what dogs do.Its part of everyday life and accepeted as such by the law.
All of you guys suffering from Cynophopia should seek treatment (do a google search for your area).Realy dogs aren't going to go away you'll be much happier.

ohhhh god not this again...

[i] taxi25 - Member

...............As far as the law requiring a dog owner to be in full control of his dog at all times,yes its true but in practise its only applied if the dog attacks someone or causes an accident.Dogs running around,going up to people sniffing them etc is just dogs doing what dogs do.Its part of everyday life and accepeted as such by the law............[/i]

Rubbish old chap - find anything to back that up. it simply is not true. If a dog causing a nusience then the owner is breaking the law.

So can you find anything to back that ridiculous statement up?

Is a dog going to say hello whilst wagging its tail a nuisance and thus resulting in the owner breaking the law? Trouble is many dogs are friendly and used to friendly people who like fussing dogs.

Yes it is Mudshark if the person being sniffed does not want the dog to do so.

What about Snoop Doggy Dog, can he be kicked in the head please?