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i once owned a dog with bombers. used to beat the f*ck out of anyone who kicked him in the face
Sorry Don, but I really fail to see your arguments here. What you're saying is that you have the same rights as any other person. Correct.
And therefore you have the right not to be intimidated by another persons animal, that is supposed to be under their absolute control in a shared usage area. As do I.
I do not have an irrational fear of dogs, I have a healthy fear of dogs. Riding along a trail I will slow down and leave a respectful space between myself and any animal, make my presence known either verbally or with a bell, to intentionally make sure it remains unspooked, unaggressive and is aware of my presence. That is as much as I need to do to demonstrate reasonable behaviour on my part. What I will not do is ride up to the owner, tap them on their shoulder and say "excuse me, just letting you know that I do have a fear of dogs due to having being bitten by them twice as a child. I would therefore be appreciative if you did not let your dog run at me as I ride along this trail."
The reason I wouldn't, and do not need to do this is that it's implicit in the law that it is not my responsibility to control someone elses dog. It is the owners responsibility. It is also not my responsibility to inform other trail users of my fear of dogs, again, it is the dog owners responsibility to be aware that others may not realise their gentle dog is not necessarily viewed like that by others.
Sure, you don't take your dog to trail centres and races. But it's your responsibility to control your dog at all times when in the presence of others. I'm afraid if you can't do that, you have even fewer legs to stand on that heather mills.
Well put PK ripper.
[i]i once owned a dog with bombers.[/i]
que?
[i]used to beat the f*ck out of anyone who kicked him in the face[/i]
imaginative little soul, aren't you?
Whats a troll? Is it a breed of dog?
i own and walk a dog of it's lead on the south downs. his behaviour is perfect and does exactly as he is told. he has never gone for another person or animal. i do have problems with some dog owners when walking him as he has been attacked by other dogs. I had to strangle a german shepherd on one walk as this thing was really attacking and pulling lumps of fur out, while the dozy owner was just shouting "come on ruby, here girl". I told her to get it off or I will do it, she was clearly scared of her dog, so I grabbed it by the collar twisted it until it was choking and was no longer biting and threw the ****in thing at her. I have a problem with people that let their dogs off the lead and cannot control them. even more so with the owners that are scared of their dogs.
if a dog attacked my kids, i'd have the ****in owner just after i'd finished with the dog.
just off out to walk the dog.
don simon- you're in Spain right? TJ is in Scotchland right?
Ever thought there maybe a difference in law and social norms?
I see where TJ is coming from. In Scotland 'The access code' or Land Reform Act or whatever it's officially called, dogs have no rights. However there owners have the responsibility to stop them bothering other land users and wild animals.
Although the code is based on respect & consideration to others and as far as I know hasn't been challenged and decison made in court yet.
I wouldn't have a major problem if someone kicked my dog if he was aggresive towards anyone if he was off the lead or not under control! I would have a problem if someone kicked or hurt my dog if he hadn't done anything wrong, and that includes "saying hello"! If a dog was aggresive to me i would do what i had to do to protect myself, i've had dogs come at me in an aggresive manner and all i did was get off my bike and placed my bike between myself and the dog and that worked that time!
Surely kicked or hurting another animal for no reason is animal cruelty??
Off on a slight tangent but Imo I find horses more of a prob on trails than dogs, certainly where I ride, massively uncontrolable very dangerous they poop everywhere in huge quantitys and you pretty much have to get off to pass one! Give me a dog anyday, atleast a slobbery kiss won't kill you like a kick from a horse
100!
"Does the happy dance"
'Violence is the last resort but I have punched a couple'
Who punches a dog?? Lashing out with your foot whislt riding past, I can see. But stopping, dismounting and then perhaps kneeling to batter a terrier, that's just cold.
lokno hands - I agree with you about horses. However I come across horses every few weeks, dogs every few yards.
Strangely with horse you shouldn't use a bell 'cos it spooks them. I usually stop and get well out of the way for horse 'cos bikes often spook them. Its so rare that I see them that it realy isn't an issue.
I would have a problem if someone kicked or hurt my dog if he hadn't done anything wrong, and that includes "saying hello"!
I have no idea what a dogs intentions are as I am not Dr Doolittle.
TJ is absolutely right.
Recall is the major factor, if your dog does not come back if you call it then it should not be off of its lead. Ever.
I'm completely with muggomatic on this one, the owner is far more to blame than the dog.
devs - you're a bit out, I'm afraid. Violence is not the way to maintain dominance over a dog. It really doesn't work like that.
Hairyscary, i have no idea what the average person in the street is going to do these days but i don't go and punch or kick them just incase!
Hairyscary, i have no idea what the average person in the street is going to do these days but i don't go and punch or kick them just incase!
Want a biscuit?
Only if its a jammy dodger! WTF
pk-ripper, I think you'll find that I agree with you, not the first time I've said that, but I implore you to show me where I said you should ride up to the owner and tap them on the shoulder. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you have read the whole thread...
Your behaviour seems perfectly rational, mutual respect.
lobby_dosser - Memberdon simon- you're in Spain right? TJ is in Scotchland right?
Ever thought there maybe a difference in law and social norms?
Good point, but I was brought up and educated in the UK. Ooops!
kinda666 - MemberHairyscary, i have no idea what the average person in the street is going to do these days but i don't go and punch or kick them just incase!
Lol.
Tags are quite interesting!!!
Kinda 666. I don't speak the language of 'bark/woof'.
Hairyscary, i don't speak the language of "Hi mate do you know xxx", no, ok then i'll punch you in the face and knock you over a wall with a 6ft drop! My stepson didn't quite get that one either!
'Good point, but I was brought up and educated in the UK. Ooops'
well you're arguing a point against tj who's technically correct.
I have no doubt that TJ is correct, maybe just needs to leave his bubble once in a while! 🙄
[url= http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=don+simon&word2=+tandemjeremy ]Unfortunately not[/url] 😯
I agree that kicking dog's doesn't teach them anything but....
Since when has it been the general public's duty to teach other peoples dogs how to behave?
If a dog owner can't properly train or control their dog, they deserve to be kicked.
The kicking of the dog would be in self defense and therefore perfectly acceptable in normal society.
However I come across horses every few weeks, dogs every few yards.
no wonder dogs are agressive towards you. you come across my dog and it'll take me ages to get it out his fur.
"Dorset Knob=Knob"
Class graffiti 🙂
if your dog does not come back if you call it then it should not be off of its lead. Ever.
That's most dogs IMO; not got one but known many - all friendly dogs and I have no problem with them running about chasing rabbits and generally enjoying being outside. Dogs have been part of our society for a long time and that's a good thing on the whole. Quite why anyone would want to have an large, aggresive dog is beyond me but of course some people want dogs like that as part of their image or something. I'd be happy to ban more dogs than are currently banned. Most gun dogs are fine though for some reason.
I hit a dog once and went over the bars and broke both wrists and smashed my face in. The dog owner said it was my fault because his dog wasnt on a lead and on a road. I took him to court and i had to take 50% of the blame!!! Dogs should be controlled on or off trails, if my dog got kicked by an mtber then fair enough, it might of been in the way.
devs - you're a bit out, I'm afraid. Violence is not the way to maintain dominance over a dog. It really doesn't work like that.
I never said that violence is the way to maintain dominance over a dog. It is a method to teach it not to attack you though. If it hurts it won't do it again willingly. It's why things like electric fences work.
Blimey, this thread certainly has legs....
Anyway, I think that we can sum this up as follows:
There are dog owners and responsible dog owners.
Quite clearly some are not the latter and therefore, IMO, should not be allowed to be the former.
I suspect Mr Knob got a bit upset by the other post concerning piedi di formaggio getting bitten
If that happened to me the dog would be launched into next week. I'm not bothered by dogs, and I'm more than happy for them to say hello.
However if it gets very aggressive and the owner can't or won't do anything to control their dog I will do something about it.
I'd be certain that 99.9% of people on here don't go round drop kicking dogs but if you have to protect yourself against an agressive dog to enable yourself to get away then a swift boot in the happy sacks may be in order.
If mine ever got aggrsive to anybody a swift kick in the ar$e wouldn't go a miss, but for no real reason I would have to administer a swift kick in the ar$e to the ar$e kicker!?
Who's that trip-trapping over my bridge?
lol at the tags
Blimey, this thread certainly has legs....Anyway, I think that we can sum this up as follows:
There are dog owners and responsible dog owners.
Quite clearly some are not the latter and therefore, IMO, should not be allowed to be the former.
Four Legs... Woof Woof.
How many legs do trolls have 😉
Bring back the dog licence system, I say.
It would make people think twice about getting & keeping a dog.
WHen introduced, I think it was set at about a week's wages for the average man. Say, about the same as an expensive bike?
Whist out on the Swinley ride yesterday, we encountered several dogs out with their owners. None were on leads, which is fine, because they were in a big forest, and should be allowed to run around, have fun and get exercise.
Each time, we all slowed down, and the owners made sure their dogs were under control, and even apologised!
No problems whatsoever. Mutual respect for everyone, and all of us were able to carry on enjoying the day.
Dogs respond to a good kicking.
Our dog tried to kill the cat. I gave him a beating (the cat joined in). He never did it again.
He got bitten by a collie so took to attacking collies on sight. I managed to time it just right and jumped on him and gave him a beating as he went for one. Never did it again.
So... in summary... to stop extreme behaviour dead in its tracks nothing beats a good beating.
I'm also available for baby-sitting advice 😉
[i].....I think it was set at about a week's wages for the average man. Say, about the same as an expensive bike?[/i]
uh huh.
Blimey, what long thread.
My dog is young and always approaches people, especially if they have dogs.
She goes into slinky stalk mode, head down, tail up, shoulders rolling. Looks pretty cool and tough and probably quite scarey.. She's tall, lean and totally black.
So I always call out to people (if she get's into faux-attack mode before I can grab her) "SHE'S FRIENDLY!" and then explain how the stupid thing just wants to say hello and be chased (by the dogs).
Am I doing the right thing? She hasn't been kicked yet.
Havent we discussed such a subject to death many many a time already? (sigh)
We're just playing at resurrecting all the dead threads.
Cyclists are not owners of the trails and should be prepared to slow down or stop when need be, whether its dogs/horses/walkers/children/deer/sheep/cows whatever.
Am I doing the right thing? She hasn't been kicked yet.
Sure. If someone kicked my dog for just having a sniff at them or their dog I'd apply my disciplining techniques to them.
God its like Dec 2008 all over again!
Funny how the same people get embroiled up in the basically the same thread all over again.
Cyclists - see dog, take the appropriate action to be seen / heard and be prepared to react accordlingly to dog.
Dog walkers - see cyclist, try and control your dog or warn cyclist accordingly.
If people were actually a bit more aware and considerate, this sort of situation wouldn't arise. The fact that it does says more about people than dogs.