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Keeping the countryside out of headsets

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EC, or external cups, the manufacturer controls the cup, the race and the bearing so it's fairly easy to get a good seal.

Similarly, ZS, or zero stack is the same. The manufacturer controls the cup, the race and the bearings and you can get a pretty good seal.

IS however, seems to be a different story. The "cup" is the responsibility of the frame manufacturer but the bearing and the race are by the headset manufacturer. There always seems to be a gap between the frame and forks. Has anyone found a way of sealing this gap properly?


 
Posted : 03/04/2024 9:12 pm
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Used to be able to get a small strip of thin neoprene with a snick of velcro at each end, that wrapped around a lower headset (I can't for the life of me remember the name right now) but the one I had worked well for many years until the velcro eventually came to the end of its days. It did need to be removed for a day or so after washing the bike to let any moisture back out, otherwise rusty bearings were a possibility. May still be for sale; whether there's a 1.5" version is another question.

Edit - it's just come back to me, think it was called HeadSox


 
Posted : 03/04/2024 9:45 pm
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Lizard Skins?


 
Posted : 03/04/2024 9:47 pm
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I tend to marine grease any bearings now.

Pro/Con's

Old threadded headsets need the whole thing replacing if the cups get pitted - pita if you don't have tools. Cheap unless you have the old threadded headsets with cartridge bearings - no-one makes the bearings - Shimano 1" and 1 1/8 I'm looking at you Shimano (although they are strippable and serviceable with non caged balls if needed).

Cartridge bearings (external and integrated), then £20-£30 on bearings, usually just the lower needs doing.

I consider them service items now - lower bearings need doing more often. I'll strip and refill with marine grease - resists the water.

I find water can get down from above and settle at the bottom of the headset, so grease it all.


 
Posted : 03/04/2024 10:03 pm
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Anything 'covering' the bottom race will just trap dirt etc, and wreck the paint - hense why replacing a lower bearing is easierst (if a pita with cables etc.)


 
Posted : 03/04/2024 10:05 pm
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I used to run a bit of inner tube over the bottom race many moons ago. I think it just kept the crap in.

This thread is more a grumble that more as more headsets seem to be going IS but it seems to be in least well sealed.


 
Posted : 03/04/2024 10:20 pm
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I found headsox and similar to be terrible. They just trapped dirt and moisture. Now i just buy Cane Creak headsets and forget about them. They last for every in all weather.

Every FSA headset I've every had has quickly rusted in the bottom cup/bearings


 
Posted : 03/04/2024 11:32 pm
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I fitted some Hope stainless Steel brgs when the factory-fitted ones rotted away on the road bike. Much better life.


 
Posted : 03/04/2024 11:54 pm
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Fitted a Hope headset about 3 years back to replace whatever crap came from the factory and lasted 1 winter. Not a Hope fanboy who demands everything Hope but it's done the job and not needed touching.

About 25 years ago I had a WTB Greaseguard headset. Both upper and lower headsets had a grease point on them. Use a grease gun to push fresh grease in and the old manky stuff comes out. Seemed like a great idea. Don't know if you can still get them.


 
Posted : 04/04/2024 12:06 am