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Very positive review on WMB - anyone on here bought one, particularly with the standard fork?
no, I've just made my own 😀
Just seen that - looks good!
Soooo...anyone got one?
Gonna be the same as any frame with the same geometry
Gonna be the same as any frame with the same geometry
But that's just it; nothing else that similar out there? The only other non-sus corrected frame I can think of is the TD-1 which is different geo.
I can't get my head around the WMB review! The tester acknowledges that there is only one size and appears to accept the manufactures reasoning and assertions that a taller rider can simply raise the saddle and a smaller rider can simply drop the saddle. The displacement of weight over the frame is integral to the ride of the frame so a small rider will effectively be riding a completely different bike to a tall rider. This is coming from a chap who makes his money building custom frames.
Another piece of WMB BS if you ask me, it's mental to even consider shelling out that sort of money for such a lack of regard to the fundamentals of bike design. Look at the lengths Cy and Brant go to in regard to where the chap sits on their bikes........ it's laughable.
People will buy then though, because some people are thick.
What difference does non suss corrected make?
it's mental to even consider shelling out that sort of money
$750 for a frame [b]and fork[/b] . Doesn't seem out of line compared to a lot of other stuff out there.
I might also be mistaken but I'm sure there was a link posted on here to a lecture that Cy gave about bike design and he mentioned how well he thought the Jones rode. 😉
What difference does non suss corrected make?
Shorter and better riding rigid fork. Having ridden a TD-1 with a 440mm carbon fork and other frames with 470mm carbon fork the shorter one was more precise and more comfortable.
"Look at the lengths Cy and Brant go to in regard to where the chap sits on their bikes........ "
True - and then the supension fork makes the geometry change +/- a degree or more as you ride. So seat angle is not an exact science, they just need to be in a good range for a given design / bike style.
It's debatable whether the Jones works for everyone, but for 5'6 - 6'1 it seems to and that may be 90% of his target buyers. He's built enough frames to spot some trends and I guess the fit is dictated by the geometry more than other bikes. The way the bike positions the rider is based on different ideas to your usual hardtail, all in all there's no reason why it can't fit a 7" height range, most bikes will accommodate a 4, maybe 5" height range per size anyway. Keith Bontrager's essay on rider positioning would back up Jeff's bike design ideas too.
The spaceframe's also a sod to tool for and to build well so i guess that will also have an influence on the one-size fits all approach.
WMTB BS? Steve Worland may be the most experienced and open-minded tester out there, if he likes it it says good things about the bike imo.
if you will waste you time reading that WMB garbage then what do you expect?
Clink - MemberWhat difference does non suss corrected make?
Shorter and better riding rigid fork. Having ridden a TD-1 with a 440mm carbon fork and other frames with 470mm carbon fork the shorter one was more precise and more comfortable.
Are you being serious? You think 30mm of fork length makes that difference? Did you check to see that every other variable was identical?
Just buy the Jones - you are sold.
Are you being serious? You think 70mm of fork length makes that difference? Did you check to see that every other variable was identical?
Not [i]every[/i] variable as different frame. But (I think) the key is a longer rigid fork gives more movement, particularly under braking. I used the 440mm fork on the K100 last year and was impressed. A shorter fork is stiffer. I'm about to try a Niner carbon fork, which is suspension-corrected length but should be stiffer. We shall see.
Just buy the Jones - you are sold
No - I'm intrigued, hence this thread. I prefer riding with a rigid fork on my local stuff and as this is a rigid specific design why wouldn't I be interested?
Just seems daft to me to even think that 30mm on a fork makes a difference...was it an otherwise identical fork?
A lot of bike buying is believeing the hype (or lack of it), that's why I made that comment.
i'll stick to my charge duster steel thanks 😉
A lot of bike buying is believeing the hype (or lack of it), that's why I made that comment
True and I'd be the first to admit that I often fall for it!!
That's why I'm after somebody else's ride impressions, but not easy to find except over on mtbr.
Clink, talk to Biff and get a test ride if you're thinking of buying, only your impressions count for anything. If you want to find other people's impressions of Jones bikes you'll just find loads of gushing owners, pleasantly suprised test-riders and loads of confused / questioning non-owners.
It's a great ride if you like rigid bikes. It's not the lightest steel rigid, it's not the cheapest, it's not got short stays, it doesn't matter - as a bar, wheelset and geometry package it's brilliant, one of the 'great bike designs' i think. But it's just a bike, it's not as radical / weird to ride as you may expect, it doesn't ride for you, it just has a different take on handling to the conventional set-up. There's some hype around it yes, same as any good bike that deserves its reputation.
Biff has been helpful in past but don't think he has a test rig (other than one currently at stw).
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