mattbee has pretty much nailed it, plus I would have to doubt my abilty to land a well aimed successful kick on a scary dog (say a staffy) owned by a chatsworth classic whilst riding my bike. Thats why I carry a glock
be atch brap brap
glock 9 or 40? 😀
I think most dogs need to be intimidated I would make a lot of noise and move toward them with the bike.
Standing your ground gives it more time to think, but your right all situations are different and should be evaluated on their own merits.
I still get annoyed when dogs try to bite me!
true story, i ride trials. in 2008 i was riding home on new years day. a homeless persons dog ran inton my spokes and i broke its leg. I was pretyy cut up about it. It had me shaking.
How exactly did it run into your spokes?
making lots of noise and moving toward a already aggressive dog isn't a good idea, much more likely to go into fight mode (rather than flight) much better to calmly stand your ground. giving it time to think is a good thing!
because when it's attacking you it's not thinking! it should soon realize your not prey/threat and **** off back to its owner.
i still get annoyed when dogs try to bite me to!
IME most dog owners assume everyone is happy to have their personal space inavaded by their adorable pet. And why not? If you're enjoying a picnic with the family why wouldn't you want someones mutt sniffing round the food? Nor can I see fault with the arguement that you should be bitten first before retaliating - lest you might run the risk of scaring a friendly dog. I don't think dog owners get the recognition they fully deserve - they are afterall, the kind souls who tirelessly scoop up dog poo, put it into plastic bags and hang them off trees for us all to admire.
How exactly did it run into your spokes?
which part of 'run' 'into' and 'spokes' is it exactly that you're struggling with?
pastcaring
Yeah but wispering come on then you Fu King mutt isn't as much fun! Plus my battle cry has to be at quite a few decibels for it to be fully appreciated.
Dogs aren't used to being comfronted, but it is a judgement call based on the situation. The dog is already in chase / fight mode making sure it understands you're not a target is important, all that varies is the technique.
Plus if you simply back off the owner has no interest in sorting the dog out. If you have a go then it's more likely the owner will do something to remedy the situation.
A lot of the time the owners think it's funny and start laughing.
jimmy
most dogs in my experience don't run in to people spokes, what exactly was the dog trying to do when it ran in to the spokes. How did the accident happen. Was it chasing a ball simply not looking while runnign across the road.
Can you give me a bit more info and help me understand how it happend, I'm not having a go at you I'm just curious.
No dog has ever shown me its teeth on a ride.
They run along side.
They bark.
YOu need to be a bit quicker pehaps?
Lashing out at a dog with intent seems extreme.
I have 2x dogs and walk them every day, twice a day, always crossing a cycle path plus I ride 2-4x a week so it's not as though I haven't seen both sides of the "fence".
No dog has ever shown me its teeth on a ride.
They run along side.
They bark.YOu need to be a bit quicker pehaps?
Lashing out at a dog with intent seems extreme.
+1
I've ridden about 3 times per week.. 52 weeks per year in town and country for about 30 years..
seen hundreds of dogs.. never even felt threatened really.. certainly not threatened enough to lash out.. and to be honest.. I'm very rarely in a position to notice a dogs hackles..
It's interesting that a lot of the dog owners responses appear to be that it's ok for their dog to attack someone and that someone defending themselves is just cause for the owner to attack the victim too.
Riding six times a week, 52-weeks a year for the last 20 odd years I have been attacked by dogs.
Again I am with the dog owners on this. What could possibly be wrong with putting a cyclist in a threatening situation? Surely that's far more acceptable than threatening a poor doggy. Dog owners are the kindest most altruistic people I know; they exercise their dogs religiously (not their kids), buy pet food based on nutrient quality (don't do the same with their kids food), and give £3 per month to help some mutt in a dogs home (rather than £2 per month help some kid in Africa see).
http://www.kenkifer.com/bikepages/traffic/dogs.htm
4) While riding, I kick a biting dog in the mouth. Warning! This can be dangerous to the bike rider a) if your bike handling skills are not good or b) if your shoes are soft. However, I taught at least one dog to never bother me again that way.
The six times a week, 52-weeks a year for the last 20 odd years I have been attacked by dogs.
wally
You're the one that started the willy waving now back to your room sonny, let the men discuss matters.
Although changing the course of the sentence half way through without editing the first word is poor work. Oh well no Booker prize for me. boohoo
(Mr MC posting)
most dogs run alongside and bark, but not all. I was bitten on the calf by a drug dealers rotty whilst cycling thru liverpool as a student years ago. I've had family dogs throughout my childhood, but if I think a dog is seriously trying to bite me (again) it will get kicked in the head with as much force as I can muster.
mk1fan.. I love you.. sincerely and in a very sexual way..
I wish I was still drunk from last night too so that we could macho posture together..
I really wasn't trying to willy wave.. though it is very interesting that you think that I was..
I was merely attempting to convey how little trouble I have encountered and the ratio of hours riding..
wally
I now cover myself in Tiger shit before every ride.
Problem solved! 😀
Munqe-chick
I agree, it's just not on, dogs biting people? the risk of infection tetanus for example and the fact that it hurts of course and can make you crash as well.
Good to hear a lot of people are going years without idiot dogs having a go but I've had a few dogs try and turn me into a snack, not good!
It does beg the question: what are [b]you[/b] doing to provoke a dog to the point that it feel the need to defend itself?
Ti29er
It does beg the question: what are you doing to provoke a dog to the point that it feel the need to defend itself?I'm not the only one, so really the question should be what are you lot doing?
A good point though, perhaps we're looking at this all wrong. Maybe we should be saying who the do these cyclists think they are using dogs paths to run around having fun on.
AAH I see yes it all makes sense the dogs are simply hungry and we should feed them with ourselves?
i was riding along the prom in brighton and someones little yappy dog bit my calf and ripped my trousers, i was just pootling along and enjoying the scenery so i was not threatening the dog, in fact it was a long way off then it saw me and it just ran towards me, still on dogs biting, my daughter was bitten on her face at 3 years old, needed lots of stitches, and the dog that bit her was a family dog it had grown up with kids all around and grandkids, she was with me visiting a neighbour and the dog was chasing the neighbours chickens when it just jumped up and bit my daughter no warning no growling so i trust no dog however freindly it seemes
handyman
Hey. sorry to hear about you daughter getting bitten on the face, especially at such a young age.
I hope she was OK and got over it without any physical or emotional/psycholocial scars.
duntstick - Member
Try shouting 'Ungowa' at it..............
Oh dear I have just done my self harm laughing at that!!!
hora - Member
Me and my friends can't hunt Foxes anymore so we now bait cyclists with Staffs; much more fun and we are actually pay car tax to use our roads.
Hora why staffs?
I don't think dog owners get the recognition they fully deserve - they are afterall, the kind souls who tirelessly scoop up dog poo, put it into plastic bags and hang them off trees for us all to admire.
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I am amazed by the number of stwers that thinks it's ok for their dog to bit/scare people.
I just hope for you that your lovely puppy will never bit a child. I am all for the better safe than sorry. So if you have a doubt kick the dog. I would love to see someone argue about that.
If you can't manage a dog, just dont simple as that. My neighbour had a dog that use to run free and get anyone's ankle. One day someone gave the dog a meat ball... With rats trap inside. I didn't grieve for the dog one bit.
Blower - Memberhora - Member
Me and my friends can't hunt Foxes anymore so we now bait cyclists with Staffs; much more fun and we are actually pay car tax to use our roads.Hora why staffs?
Pretty sure he means the Butler ,the cook and the chamber maid
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ti29er dont know if thats a troll or you just live in a nice part of the world, but both personally and professionally I have encountered dogs that are "trained" to be vicious and don't need to be provoked to be defensive.
When I was bitten I was merely cycling along a road in a rough part of liverpool. Professionally I am aware of numerous scrotey criminal youths who breed and abuse fighting breed dogs turning them into weapons that will attack anything. Knives are so last year.
I was out riding with my daughter (5 yrs old), when a dog raced up alongside her bearing it's teeth. She panicked, fell off and the dog went for her. Not ashamed to admit I gave it a good hard kick in the ribs, and I actually quite like dogs. The owner went mental and was more concerned about his dog, rather than the little girl screaming on the ground with a deep cut to her knee. Arsehole.
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Munque.
I live in Bushey, Herts.
We have normal people 'round these parts.
Why would you even consider my post a troll?
People are agreeing with me - normal people who live in normal places perhaps?
Perhaps you should move out & experience normal life amongst normal people? Just a thought.
Soup
their mad these dog owners. 5 years old girl and they go on about people being out of order. If a dog bit any of my nieces or nephews or little cousins or even made them fall of their bike and injure themselves. I would have kicked it as well.
Good that your getting your kid into biking though and hopefully she'll be a great rider when she's older.
ridefree!
I got biten by a dog while riding, I wish I had gotten the first punch (or kick as it would be) in though!!
Would have saved me a tetanus shot!
Apparently a skoosh from a water bottle square in the puss will also stop the wee beggars from chowing down on your lower legs.
Well bizarrely, this thread was in my mind today as I was bitten by a dog TWICE on my ride over the Malverns...
On a fairly wide descent, I slow down to walking pace as I approach a mid-20's couple and their yappy little terrier type thing. I'm a sucker for dogs (even pointless little yappy ones), so as he legs it over to me I figure he's going to have a sniff & a tail wag, as per the other hundred or so dogs I'd met during the course of the ride, so I come to a stop. Well, no. He starts nipping at my legs (I'm wearing shorts today), and then the little runt bites my right calf, then proceeds to run around to the other side of the bike & sink his teeth into my left shoe...tooth makes contact with foot, sharp little thing, ouch. Anyway, no blood but skin definitely missing off right calf.
The female owner (her bloke doesn't seem too bothered) immediately asks if he's bitten me...hmm I'm guessing he's done this before. "Yes he has!" says I. In fairness to her, she was pretty mortified about it, and immediately put the little ****er on a lead, but even though this thread was in my mind at the time, I just couldn't bring myself to kick the little thing. I mean, I'd punt him into tomorrow with these Shimano winter boots, but I didn't feel threatened by him, just irritated.
Anyway, before parting company I just told the female owner that "I don't need to lecture you on what is wrong with this situation, do I?". She was satisfyingly sheepish as she plodded off up the hill with the little runt on a lead. Although, I do rather wonder how long it was until he was running free again. As I rode away I did think about what I would have done had I been out with my 3-yr-old and the little bugger had bitten her instead. Hmmm...PUNT!
i considered your post possibly a troll as you appear to have suggested that for someone to have been attacked by a dog they must have provoked it. The sad fact is that isnt true, plenty of dogs have owners who abuse their dogs with the explicit intent of making it violent.
Define "normal" people? Liverpool (where I lived and was bitten) isnt "normal"? Oxford (where I encountered similar dogs and their owners as a police officer on one of the biggest housing estates in Europe) isnt "normal"? By "normal" do you mean poverty- and crime- free? I dont see many agreeing with you on the point I contended; namely that the victim must have provoked the dog to have been attacked by it.
pedalhead
A few questions, is that OK?
um, sure?
When you encountered the couple where they walking toward you or away from you?
Towards.
How far away where they before they noticed you?
Hmm I'd say about 20 or 30 metres. Dog runs over, she chases.
Do a lot of cyclists use the track? and do you think that it might have gone for one before?
Well there appeared to be bikers all over the Malverns today. I got the feeling she knew he might bite me as she asked when she was still too far away to really see what he was up to. It was also the very first thing she said to me. I'm kinda feeling like a pet detective now... 🙂
I think you where right not to kick the wee doggie! To be honest if it had wanted to really bite you it would have broken the skin. The fact that it ran around to the other side and bit your shoe/toe, makes it seem to be that it was simply playing a bit rough, or an idiot.
Saying that I would have still clubbed it with my seat post or rammed it with my front wheel. Any excuse and I GO OFF!, COME ON THEN!!!!!!
I would have pushed the bike into it, not too hard but as dogs tend to run at you full tilt they don't have enough time to stop. Getting hit with the front wheel won't really hurt but it will shock then into backing off!
I was out cycling with a newbie once and a dog ran over and tried to bite him as we pushed our bikes. As the guy had been mauled before he panicked and screamed, help me!
I calmly shoved my front wheel into the dog and hit it in the mid rift only problem was we where at the edge of the esk at the industial estate and it slid down into the water.
Made a terrible racket when it hit the water only to realize it wasn't even deep. The owner marches upto me and says, there was no need for that! the guy with me says, yes there f@cking was it tried to f@cking bite me.
I just shrugged my shoulders and walked off! no hard feelings these things happen, I doubt very much if that dog tried to bite anyone else though, for a while.
The response should be relative to the circumstances. At the end of the day it's the riders call! all these threads do is make people aware of their options.
Ridefree!
I live in Bushey, Herts.
We have normal people 'round these parts.
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pedalhead
Hey. she knows the dog bites cyclists the boyfriend isn't surprised in the slightest and on a busy cycle route she doesn't have it on a leash? to top it all of she didn't notice a bloke on a bike dressed like god only knows what. I wear my helmet my shinnies my water proofs and lots of other stuff.
Where they talking intently or distracted so they couldn't notice you?
and do you think that maybe other cyclist got bitten on that same day.
Maybe the dog hasn't gone for anyone else ever. Or maybe when she asked if you had been bitten she was just making sure you had! Maybe stop come here is the signal for attack, kill, destroy.
Like I said it's a judgement call, if you had kicked or hit the little sh1te maybe the dog and the owner would have learnt, maybe not!
Talkemada
You're not normal na na nanana we are normal doo da doo da dee!
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It's normal to be a clown.
Isn't it?
Clipped-in with these large red shoes is a trick to be savoured.
My comedy red button nose keeps me warm in the winter months too!
[i]Chorus:[/i]
"Oh to live in Bushey,
Oh to live in Bushey,
Oh to live in Bushey
with the nor_mal clowns"
Normal in a F@cked up world, is what?
I groaned when I read the subject, then depaired when I saw who started it.
Funny, no dogs have ever tried to bite me, maybe there's something in that!
you can kick my dog all you like.
PikeBN14
I groaned when I read the subject, then depaired when I saw who started it.
Maybe the odd stench, puts dogs off!
Bottle it, sell it as dog repellent. call it pikeBN14 stank!!!
DRAMA QUEEN!
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You really are a Prick!
I hope we meet one day, I'll introduce you to my dog.
Just looks like Kaesae is giving as good as he gets, frankly. Good on you K, STW could use a bit more entertainment now & again.
PikeBN14
You really are a Prick!
I hope we meet one day, I'll introduce you to my dog.
No thanks you can keep your GF to yourself.
As for wanting to meet a prick, you gegging on it?
Not sure you're my type!
You could always buy a D1ld0?
Has anyone else had any hassle from dogs since this thread was abandoned ?
I still think kicking them under the right cicumstances in warranted!
I still think resurrecting your own long-dead threads is more than a bit insecure.
Tried to expalin that violence was wrong but the dog did not appear to respond to my philosphical warblings. It bit me, I kicked it, it ran off.
I'd say yes it was was proper going for you...but once I'd sorted the dog I'd go do the same to the owner as it is clearly not trained properly.
In all my years of biking I've only ever had 6 dog interface experiences - and each time I've bricked myself and just gone that big bit faster to get away...
(which clearly shows my first para is all mouth no action!)
+1 JimmyIf you kicked one of my pups in the teeth you'd be losing a few of your own......
Ohh is so ok for a dog to bite someone is it?
I bet if your dog chew half of a kid face you would still think the kid deserve it. Be glad rules of courtesy and politeness forbid me to tell you what I think of you and your behaviour.
Ohh is so ok for a dog to bite someone is it?
I bet if your dog chew half of a kid face you would still think the kid deserve it. Be glad rules of courtesy and politeness forbid me to tell you what I think of you and your behaviour.
If the dog hadn't bitten anyone and it was a pre-meditated kick in the teeth then you should expect a shoeing.
A dog either bites you or it doesn't. If a dog wants to bite you it will, most just warn you off or are protecting their owners. Granted these should be on a lead. If somebody assumed that my dog is going to bite them and gives them a kick first then I'm afraid they are going to have to Vaseline their frame so they can remove it in Casualty. As a Dog owner and MTB'er I always give dog's right of way and stop if I have to. That also includes Horse riders and walkers. I've never had a problem on a trail with anyone other than a fellow MTB'er who assumed that it was his own personal race track and as he came full chat round a blind bend that I shouldn't of been in his way. I was slowing and on the left and he'd ran wide coming the other way. The trail runs both ways by the way.
I still think resurrecting your own long-dead threads is more than a bit insecure.
Whereas I think commenting on such a thing is even more insecure, but there you go.... 🙄
Little dog run up to me recently, barking at me quite 'agressively', with it's owner trying to call it to heel. I just stopped and barked back at it. Stopped it in it's tracks. It ran off back to it's owner who was peeing themselves laughing. 😀
I'd say making comments about what posts are the most insecure is insecure too 😉
Before anyone asks, I am insecure too.
TooTall beg to differ, this topic is as relevant to day to day riding today as it was back then.
We are discussing kicking dogs that trying to bite you, not stiff or investigate or play with, but bite.
If it shows it's hackles and it's teeth are bared and it goes for me, it will get kicked and hard.
I like dogs, I also like cats and other creatures, that said I have zero tolerance for anything that poses a threat to me, self preservation will always be my primary concern. Anyone doesn't like that, prepare for WAR!!! Wooo Wooo Wooo Woooooo!!!
kaesae if you didn't exist, someone would have to invent you.
I'd say making comments about what posts are the most insecure is insecure too
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Before anyone asks, I am insecure too.
Oh. 😐
kaesae if you didn't exist, someone would have to invent you.
Kaesae's cool. Open and honest, sez what he thinks. Eeze PROPER.
I seem to attract daft dogs while out riding they usually just try to dive under my front wheel, or run along side barking till they get board or I speed up to a point were they can't keep up. A stafy cross came at me a few days ago I had seen him coming and un-clipped with the intention of pushing him out of the way with my foot as I lifted my foot he jumped up and bit the peddle I had just lifted my foot from he yelped and ran off never saw an owner but when I stopped there was a fair bit of blood on my shoe and up the back of my calf so I guess it lost a few teeth.
Kaesae - it's poor form to play the rotation system with your trolling. You need some new material, that's just basic troll manners.
I appreciate you're dumber than a bag of bearings, but still - put your back in to it eh?
I've always been a firm believer in fighting fire with fire, which is why I always carry at least one dog with me on my bike when I'm out riding...sometimes two if I expect to encounter a multiple-dog attack scenario.
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Oh, and if I see a dog [b]on[/b] a bike coming for me, then one of my canine protection officers splits off from the group and takes them down before any perceived threat can become a reality.
The other day, I came across a particularly nasty piece of work when cycling through the industrial estate near to my house -
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He got taken down with maximum force.
PS. Yes that is an industrial estate...don't let the houses and shop fronts make you think otherwise.
PPS. The dog's bike had hope hubs (sprayed matt silver) so I heard him coming with plenty of time and injuries were avoided...however, he didn't give me a ping-ping on his bell when approaching and had I been a rambler, this situation may have got even nastier.
Garry_Lager, what you drinking?
It would depend on the size I reckon! I had a rather large German Shepherd jump over its gate and chase me, trying to bite my calfs a few months ago. Needless to say, I peddled like crazy. Fortunately we passed a race refreshment stop that had an array of flapjacks on display, which diverted the dogs attention allowing our escape 😆
On a slightly different note, I got attacked by an out of control horse a while back. I was on a charity road ride (Inverness-Portsmouth), cycling in a group down a country lane. A horse+owner were in a driveway, well off the road. As we came passed it freakin charge at us, rider couldnt control it. We sprinted, I was near back and as it reared at us, I was forced off road into gravel. Front wheel slipped and I went down, still clipped in! I thought I was going to get crushed 😯 Scarred the bejesus out of me+bent my saddle 😥
I've had an incident on Cannock Chase before where a dog came snarling up to me, teeth bared.
The owner simply stated that he doesn't like bikes and often does this, in a very matter of fact way. I would think that the laws regarding dogs on leads also apply to somewhere like the Chase and not just the street.
Which amazes me that people like this don't act more responsibly and keep their dogs (which they obviously can't control as it ignored his command)on leads, especially when knowing it's a 'problem dog'.
I really don't mind people taking dogs off leads as long as they are not hostile in any way.
I didn't try to kick out but feel we should be entitled to defend ourselves no matter what some over emotional owner might say.
From the PNLD
Q33: There is a dog that lives down the street and the owner has let it out without a lead and it has bitten me, what can I do?
You can report the incident to your local police. There is an offence of having a dog dangerously out of control in a public place. The dog owner (or the person for the time being in charge of the dog) may be prosecuted and could face imprisonment and/or a fine and the courts can make a variety of orders in relation to the dog, which range from muzzling to destruction.
If I ever get bitten I will do everything in my power to teach the owner a lesson by having the dog destroyed.
Either keep your dogs on leads or MAKE SURE you know they are not a threat generally speaking before doing so, take some responsibly, thread closed.