[i]Doing it once isn't the issue... try running something like a Reverb[/i]
To be honest, I realised with a drop bar bike with cables under the bar tape, an internally routed dropper post would be impossible to remove (at least on my frame) as there is no where to release slack. So I went for a lever actuated post!
[quote="spooky"]To be honest, I realised with a drop bar bike with cables under the bar tape, an internally routed dropper post would be impossible to remove (at least on my frame) as there is no where to release slack. So I went for a lever actuated post!
Wiser than me .... I started off seeing the clean lines and such. Building it's all positive... even with a poorer internal routing your still in the looks nice rather than how will I service it.
I don't need to remove the hoses to bleed the reverb or remove it but just moving them is a real pain I got to hate.
It's not like fixing a poorly working dropper or poorly working mech due to cables is on my list of 10 fav things to do so when I do have to do it I just want it to be quick and easy! Even if I did spend longer over say a year due to changing stuff more frequently there is a lot to be said for something takes 15 minutes vs something takes an hour or more, especially in Winter when daylight hours are more limited..
Got to say Orange internal routing is a joke and not thought out at all.
I know haters gotta hate, but having just built up my new Hightower, Santa Cruz have it down perfectly for me. Where it’s internal there is no faf (rubber grommet aside) just push in the cable and out it pops, actually easier than external! No cable ties to worry about.
I do like the external brake hose mind as no need to worry about olives, bleeding etc.
If you have internal cable routing then you have to have extra holes in the frame. Holes in the frame are weak points so is the frame beefed up ie heavier to counter this? to me extra holes in the frame simply seem wrong
plus 1 for Santa Cruz, even the little things like cabling are sorted. My Bronson is external and so easy to work on.
Had to do the gear cable on my G160S at the weekend, inner and outer as I had managed to wear a hole in the outer somehow, never done an internally routed cable before, hope to never do one again.
Utter nightmare job, impossible to run the outer from the mech end because of the angles on the exit/entrance holes, grommets were so tight it was near impossible to feed the outer over the old inner.
I had to remove the bottom grommet where the brake and gear cables run and was a pain to try and get the new outer back through the hole again as I couldn't see inside at the right angle even with a torch(although it wasn't quite as bad as I feared getting that back in again).
In the end I was only able to do it by gorilla taping the old inner to the new outer and push/pulling it through the frame while praying that the cables didn't come detached from each other. that only worked to a point as I had to remove the tape (removing freshly applied gorilla tape is no fun task either) because the holes on the chain stay were too small, took over 2 hours across 2 evenings.
In retrospect I should have found a better way to attach the old outer to the new outer and push/pull it though that way, serves me right for watching youtube videos on the subject rather than thinking it through myself.
Think its something you just get used to and find little tricks when working on your own bike.
External routing can look messy can't it, unless its well thought out like Mondraker.
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[quote=tjagain ]If you have internal cable routing then you have to have extra holes in the frame. Holes in the frame are weak points so is the frame beefed up ie heavier to counter this? to me extra holes in the frame simply seem wrong
Have a look at a welded frame. It'll have holes in various places already.
Holes in the frame are weak points
I think the weak points are the welds by a fairly large margin.
I agree that setting up internal cables and hoses is a faff. However once achieved the benefit, certainly in terms of gear cabling, is that you have a much longer period of use between replacements as there is no entry point for dirt
External full length cabling keeps the mud out just as well as internal full length cabling
