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[i]short of dislocating their neck weren’t going to be to a sideways look either[/i]
Strange, I find it quite easy to check over my shoulder. Particularly to the near side, as in this case. Maybe I'm an owl.
Still, the cyclist should have anticipated the turn. Which it seems is exactly what they did, as they slowed down and the car didn't hit them.
Sorry, what are we arguing about?
🙂
Aye, but why did the cyclist not slow down?
1. According to him, he did.
2. I'd have done exactly the same: slow down enough to be sure of avoiding a collision, but remaining as close as possible so that if Billy Blinkers does eventually notice your presence (a good loud "OI" often helps) it should be blatantly obvious that they hadn't been looking. Which means maybe—just maybe—they'll think about it next time. If I'm confident the collision's not going to happen then I'd rather the numpty in question had a bit of a wake-up call.
But then I dig a bit of passive-aggressive, YMMV.
you weren’t visible in their mirrors
See above.
So if a bus is going down that lane, they can just cut across that too?
So the car driver should have slowed down to allow you to "undertake" before turning left? I'm not sure which action makes more sense.
Sorry, what are we arguing about?
Know-it-alls know better than the person who was actually there, as usual 😆
It was only making a point about side roads anyway - it doesn't matter who has [i]right of way[/i] cars (some of them anyway) just do what they like, cos they're bigger.
I’m not sure which action makes more sense.
Try looking in the Highway Code for hints 🙂
cars (some of them anyway) just do what they like
Mine sometimes unlocks its boot without me telling it to, but that's about it 😉
Sorry, what are we arguing about?
You've never played Internet before have you?
So if a bus is going down that lane, they can just cut across that too?
Short of casting aspersions on your stature I'd wager a bus is a good site wider and would have occupied the visible right [s] haberdashery [/s] [bloody auto text, I can make an asshat of my self thank you] hand side of that lane.
But to reiterate, not your fault, unless you made physics, in which case your fault.
I always make physics me.
The car is ahead, signalling clearly and does not cross the solid white line. I'd say that was as much down to the road layout as the obvious inattention of both the motorist and cyclist.
I always make physics me.
In which case could you please make going up hill in a morning as easy as it is on my way home?
obvious inattention of both the motorist and cyclist.
to allow you to “undertake”
It's no wonder Ton started [url= https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/are-we-taking-our-lives-in-our-hands-every-time-we-ride-on-the-road ]that thread[/url], if this is actually how some people on a cycling website forum think.
So if a bus is going down that lane, they can just cut across that too?
There was a crash outside my office caused by exactly that. Three lanes of traffic. Bus lane, middle lane to go straight on, right lane to go off to the right.
However there's also a small road off to the left and a guy driving up the middle lane overtook a bus in the bus lane then turned left into the small road. Buss went straight into the side of him as he turned.
We saw it all from our big glass windows a couple of floors up.
Drivers literally have no concept of anything else on the road that is more than a few feet from their bonnet.
Things they've overtaken? Don't exist anymore.
Things too far away to be an immediate issue? They don't exist either.
Traffic jam ahead? Doesn't matter, you can still drive as fast as possible right up to the back of it.
He does slow down, put the sound on and you can hear the squeaky brakes, or that could just be his bum!
Also, isnt it the responsibility of the person undertaking the maneouver to ensure where they want to go is clear and they will not obstruct or impede anyone?
Sure,
"Here lies debz. It was the car drivers responsibility to ensure that where they wanted to go was clear and they would not obstruct or impede anyone before undertaking the manoeuvre that killed him, but he died knowing that he was in the right"
I don’t know if you noticed, but he slowed down, didn’t have a collision, and didn’t really come remotely close to dying.
Don’t let that get in the way of turning a flippant point about infrastructure into a melodramatic one about how rubbish at riding a bike someone else must be, though 😉
So the car driver should have slowed down to allow you to “undertake” before turning left? I’m not sure which action makes more sense.
I am and its really not hard!
This is how we do it in the UK
Just so many muppet drivers about. At least it was a small sh!tty car.
^^^^^loving that back of the bus thanks for posting
as to OP suspect you know the answer?
was well covered back in 2006 when Highway Code was revised and the original proposed rewrite made use of cyclepaths/shared paths in effect mandatory (think not revised since?)
https://www.cyclinguk.org/campaign/new-highway-code-historic-campaign
Highway code: Use cycle routes, advanced stop lines, cycle boxes and toucan crossings unless at the time it is unsafe to do so. Use of these facilities is not compulsory and will depend on your experience and skills, but they can make your journey safer.
CTC/cyclingUK "The inclusion of the phrase 'use of these facilities is not compulsory' resolves many of the concerns of cyclists that they may be held liable if involved in a crash while using the road"
to allow you to “undertake”
It's not really undertaking when a car gets halfway past then just decides indication is all the precaution required to turn left though, is it? To put the cyclist in that position, you have to overtake with no consideration to what you're doing next. Why people feel they *have* to overtake regardless of the benefit or lack of, I just don't understand.
It's similar to as others have pointed out, everyone feeling they have to gun it up to the back of the next traffic jam. It does nothing but waste fuel. I'm all for putting my foot down when there's space in front of me, but why accelerate then slam the anchors on when a lift off will bring you smoothly to the back of the queue?