[Closed] I want a Huge front wheel and I can't afford a Pugsley

Didn't someone on here bodge himself a fat tyre fork?

You might get some rubbing, but you could just try pumping up your current tyre ? 🙂

epicyclo built one out of an old pair of 'zocchis
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Curious: what's the appeal? It Shirley won't ride on sand/snow etc as the rear tyre is std, so is it just about making the front roll better?

I think the minimum purchase is fork, rim, tyre + tube,

You'll also need a 135 hub.

won't ride on sand/snow etc as the rear tyre is std

al.

It's worth doing just for the fun of riding such a daft looking bike. 😉

It'll never catch on;

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Flashes: So, that's the Surly with the funny-shaped fork to accommodate the rear hub. Marvellous, marvellous, marvellous. You have the Pugs frame too?
I do lots of beach riding so this is dead on!
al.

I'm still waiting on stu selling me his fat front 😉

Allan, best order up a Surly Pugsley Adventure fork whick is a normal 100mm hub fitting fork for an inline (regular) laced wheel capable of taking the 4" surly tyres and a regular front disc caliper,
the framesets as pictured come with the offset fork for a rear hub but the Pugsley Adventure fork are also available. any Ison dealer can get them, the fork will cost about £89, then add a wider rim of at least 47mm (trials rim cheapest) and because your local i can lend you a Endomorph tyre to try out though i recommend a Larry long term... 😮

i still have a kona Humu frame to build with this set up with a 3" rear so can take friends beachriding so they can see it is the future 😉
get in touch for a shot at John Muir or Peffersands sometime 😮

Interesting, is that how it works then?

You can just slap a big front end on and it's all
good?

Why go for the 100mm fork? Would a 2.5 tyre do on the back?

If you bodge up your own fork, you can use a standard 100mm front hub.

If you're going to buy a fork get the Salsa Enabler which uses a rear hub. The advantage of that is that you can then use a 100mm wide rim for maximum flotation. (It's nearly impossible to get a 100mm rim and fat tyre through 100mm OLD dropouts).

But you can try the whole thing for the cost of a fat tyre and tube if you do it my way.

Of course if you really really want a huge front wheel, then you could try this

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My recumbent fixed wheel folding Penny Farthing - bodged up from assorted parts.

Edit: another advantage of bodging up your own fork is that you can tailor the front ride height so there is less effect on the geometry of your bike. A fat wheel is like sticking a 29er front on your bike - ok if it's a 29er, but slackens your headangle quite a bit if it's a 26".

Hi Al, yep you need the fatbike fork (whatever make) for a surly 4" tyre to fit, 100mm would be cheaper if you already have a front wheel and some DH rims may already be wide enough, a 2.5 rear seems to spread quite wide on a wide rim,
im planning on using a Vredestein Black Panther 3" on the Kona, unavailable here in the UK but my (kind of) ex in Holland will buy me one and post it, there really light for a 3" tyre...
heres a thread on a fat front bike with tyre info...
[url= http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=655762 ]http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=655762[/url]

Allan - you can borrow my homemade fork if you want. (At your own risk - it is a bodge) 🙂

I can post it, or if you're not in a hurry, pick it up at the 'Puffer.

Rims 80mm for €50 from [url= http://classic-cycle.de/en/Ready-Spanned-Wheels-Rims-Parts/Alu-Rim-DHL-80-26-inch-80-mm-black-oxid.html?listtype=search&searchparam=80&searchcnid=57d41ac52198ad096.80471172 ]Classic Cycles in Germany[/url]

Anyone know if a 80mm rim and 3" tyre would fit in a karate monkey fork

Al I've seen a endo tyre on 80mm rim in a bonty switchblade fork

Tyre widths:

Surly Larry on a 32mm rim = 88mm wide
Surly Larry on a 80mm rim = 98mm wide
Surly Endomorph on a 32mm rim = 87mm wide

I measured these after they had been inflated for a week.

The wheel with these tyres is more or less the same diameter as a 29er wheel and tyre.

Cheers fella I didn't think a Larry would fit on a 32rim

Bah just looked my rims are 28 not 32 only 21mm internal 🙁

recumbent fixed wheel folding Penny Farthing

andrewh - Member
'recumbent fixed wheel folding Penny Farthing'
Ooooh. New niche bandwagon! I want one of those!
Seriously, that looks fun.

It's about as much fun as is possible to have with your trousers on.

But you'll have to make your own 🙂

Recipe:
front end - a large unicycle is just the ticket
rest - a 20" folding bike and lash up a recumbent seat.

Bingo, that's it. An afternoon's worth of bodging.

There was a little bit of drilling and hammering and filing and cursing.

These pugsley style bikes have always interested me since the first time i saw them. seems if you get the 100mm hub spacing forks you dont need to build an offset wheel. Looks like most of the stuff is out of stock with ison at the moment. But you need any of let me know and will give them a call and find out when its comming in.

Mountain bikes expensive?
I mean that's full sus with discs and it's a Muddy Fox - why exactly do you need to spend 35 times as much?

Hmmm...
That would go well with a small engine at the back.

seems if you get the 100mm hub spacing forks you dont need to build an offset wheel.

The offset thing is nothing to do with the 135mm hub.

Both my fatfronts have 135 hubs and none offset wheels.

Here's my '1/2 fat' and the big front makes quite a difference in the snow. If you are very lucky. like I was, you can source it all 2nd hand. I am waiting for a 2.8 Michelin to be delivered for the rear as there was no way I could get a Gazza 3.0 shoehorned into the rear even with trimming the nobs.

Front is a Surly non-offset bought from an 'electric bike' company, rim is a Halo Combat 36mm on a rear hub with an Endo tyre with pressure of about 15 psi to be on the safe side. I'll be looking to swap the front wheel to the rear when I source a wider rim/wheel for the front.

No brakes and fixed rear wheel are probably not a cost cutting measure I would recommend in the snow 😉

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Morning all,

Coastkid, I've been trying to hook up with your beach/snow rides & I'll make it out one of these days. I have kids to juggle so some weekends are easy and some impossible. Thanks for the offer of an Endomorph. With that I can bodge one way or t'other. So I'll watch the East Lothian MTB Facebook group for rides & get in touch with you.

So, trials rims - what do you recommend? I've dug around t'internet a bit this morning but not found anything yet - I probably just don't know what I'm looking for!

Epi old chap - I have a 'Puffer solo entry (my 4th winter Puff) but may not be able to go. I hope to, but life's upside down at the moment. Anyway, I've enough crap in the garage to bodge something I'm sure! So thanks for the offer, I'll post on here when I get round to it.

Cheers, al.

alan some good rims at unicycle uk http://www.unicycle.uk.com/unicycle-spares-1/rims.html/?limit=all quick delivery too mate (also have some bigish tyres ie 26x3" duro ones for a semi fat thing

Oh look, I found this site with [url= http://www.trials-uk.co.uk/product.aspx?productid=772 ]Echo front 26" for £20[/url] with 40mm width. That ought to do eh?
al.

If your going to use a trials rim i'd go for a rear instead of a front.

loads here.
[url] http://www.tartybikes.co.uk/26_inch_rear_rims/c25.html [/url]

Thanks. Are rears just stronger then?
al.

I take it there's no point bodging with say 3" tyres on std rims as you won't be able to run them soft enough?

Al a guy on mtbr did it with 26 x 3.0"tyres and said it wasn't that far away from his pals pugs in performance

Hmmm thanks. I reckon I could get 3" in my frame. Those trials rims aren't too pricey either, and LX hubs are cheap as on on-one atm.

Someone was flogging 3" Gazzalodis on here recently IIRC?

Yeah I'm getting them lol just waiting on him getting back to uk. Woody who posted above has on trimmed one tho mate

I just measured my Pace RC31s. They have 93mm clearance. From epicyclo's measurements that'll take an Endomorph on a 32mm rim and I should think up to 40mm as well.
Tartybikes have an undrilled 36 spoke Alex rim, 38mm wide at £25. CRC have 36 spoke 6-bolt front Deore hubs for £15.99. CRC again for 36 plain gauge spokes + nipples for £10.99. This is looking like a New Year project!
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Cheers, al.

£10 posted Al or anyone else who wants it - still a very usable tyre.

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Aha, and off that Unicycle site there's this 26" x 3" tyre at £28.
[url= http://www.unicycle.uk.com/unicycle-spares-1/tyres/duro-wildlife-leopard-26-x-3-tyre.html/ ]tyre[/url]
So, all in that's less than the price of a Surly rim =)
al.

Woody is that 3"?
al.

2kg 😮

The thing about Larrys/Endomorphs (or whatever Coastkid rides) is that they look like they've been made as light as possible, I guess that's why they are £85!

Ah sorry Al, I got Woody's tyre. 2kg though eh?
Cheers, al.

Gazzaloddi's are heavier 😉

EDIT as a sequential experiment into the world of fat via half fat I am considering the following, any comments?

1. 2.8" tyre on front.
2. Then build up a front wheel with a 50mm rim (std fork or 135mm?).
3. 4" tyre on front (buy 135mm fork, rebuild front wheel if nec), 2.8" on back.
4. Full fat frame & rr wheel.

2kg

The thing about Larrys/Endomorphs (or whatever Coastkid rides) is that they look like they've been made as light as possible, I guess that's why they are £85!

Roughly 1500g, so a lot lighter but still kind of heavy.

If you go for a full fat frame you will probably need a 165mm rear axle and 100mm bottom bracket to get clearance.

Good info on [url= http://forums.mtbr.com/forumdisplay.php?f=164 ]MTBR fat forum[/url]

I quite fancy an [url= http://sandmanbikes.com/ ]Atacama[/url] once the full spec. comes out and he finally gets the website up and running.

Alternatively, my Maverick could become like this 😆
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Thanks a lot chaps, will look into those resources.

Last Q (maybe) what min. length 100mm fork am I looking at to scrape a 3.7" tyre in? Would 425mm do it?

cynic-al: That's kinda where I'm going. This Gaz 3" will need a new rim, I'll find a wide 32h and rebuild a wheel I have. Then as you say, wider at front + rear.

As Woody says a fat frame needs a wide BB, so you end up with the original handlebars and not much else!

al.

Do not go too big though:

but would this work

Nice one al. It sounds like we may have a fat-race on our hands - East v. West?

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Al & allan.

I'll warn you now that this fat tyre thing is addictive.

I thought I'd just give it a go on a frame that was hanging around spare in the garage to see if i liked it.

Next thing I know i've also got a fat front on the jones and a salsa mukluk being shipped to me. 😆

Seen your posts stu...are you using it for "normal" riding or snow/sand etc?

What are the benefits...and any tips for getting a toe in the water cheaply?

I'm always curious about "different" bikes that might extend or vary my riding, but any trails are 10 miles+ away from me, which is why I've recently gone for a crosser as my next experiment. I wonder how much I would actually use a fatbike (though I like the idea of it being a 29er in the summer)

It's been used for everything, trail centers, local sandy trails, rooty woodland, open moorland boggy peat and a small amount of snow.

It takes a little bit of experimenting with tyre pressures as 1psi can make quite a difference.
TBH the first time i took it out on a rock trail i though it was a bit harsh until i dropped it down to 5psi. Then it just conformed round the rocks instead of sliding/bouncing off them.

Personaly I'd go for at least a 65mm rim to get the most out of lower pressures in the tyre.

Can you not get a go on coastkids Pug?

I probs can, am just wondering about dipping a toe in rather than going full-fat right away (not viable funds wise).

Seems I can experiment a bit on a low budget to start off with and then sell stuff on if nec.

5PSI ... 80mm rims ... 2kg tyres .... HAHHAHAHaahaa.

This is great isn't it?

Al - I'm going for it because I've had such success with my 69'ed Inbred. The front's 'only' 2.55" 29er but it makes all the difference. I can't quite ride down dunes, but I can ride round almost all of the beach by the house. Riding summer Puffer rigid I thought would be a step too far, but no, it was great I didn't miss suspension once. I have a choice of bikes and the one I reach for every time is this one.

So bigger must be better, right?

And you get weird looks + comments which is always great 😉

other-al.

Don't you get weird looks anyway? 😛 I do 😳

I tried 29er (2.3" tyres only though), could see the benefits but didn't feel I could justify another bike that wasn't different enough. Maybe this is what is need.

My monkey with 2.55 was good in snow but I want bigger 😉

Don't you get weird looks anyway?

Not sure about weird looks but you'll soon get fed up of people asking you why your tyres so big.

Woody - how are you getting on with my old endo? you might want to lower your pressure a bit - 15psi I only use for the road - off road - 9psi and snow and ice 6psi.

Cynic-al - I use my fatty for all my riding.

Just ordered an enabler/marge/larry set up for my 'spare' unit 2-9.God only knows when the Larry will come into stock-after the snow goes probably.

Going half fat is a slippery slope.

Once you've tried it, you'll be itching to go the whole way. Based on my experience - and I think Singlespeedstu was the same - one taste of a fat tyre at the front and you've ordered a fatbike frame and parts.

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The Surly Pugsley has an offset rear wheel. The big advantage of that is you can use standard hubs and for me the ability to use an Alfine. The big disadvantage is building a wheel - I did not like the build I had to do to get an offset, so I rebuilt it with a wide rim and did a crossover build.

Futon - the endo is fine thanks and TBH I'm only guessing at the pressure as my gauge doesn't work. I've got it as low as I dare on the relatively narrow 36mm rim and can depress it about 1" with my thumb so it may well be lower than I think.

I've a few days off coming up and should be getting a fatter rim and freewheel [b]and[/b] brakes which will improve things but even as it is I'm quite happy. I'm not surprised that you use yours all the time as the fat tyres give a very nice ride, especially with a bike as bling as yours 😀

Sounds like you have the tyre pressure in the right ballpark, it's worth getting a digital gauge so to can be consistent with your pressure. I occasionally throw on the thin front wheel for a change!

I take no responsability for anyone wishing one of these bikes and the grief in justifying the cost of buying one may cause on there other half...
but have to say into my 3rd winter on the pugsley its ace 😮
i gave up full suspension bikes to buy a pugsley and havent looked back... i love going out and riding places where a normal bike struggles or is just too hard work is what makes owning one of these bikes so much fun...its like that 1st mtb years ago and you were amazed where it went...
back in 1987 om my 1st mtb folk meeting you would say "look at the size of those tyres!" somethings havent changed...just the jaws drop more and eyes pop out more! 😮
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Al how you getting on with your faffing ? Here's mine from other day after postie turned up 😉 you may have seen it on my other thread tho lol
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Does anyone else with a fatbike find that their other bikes look anaemic with their skinny 2.35" tyres?

Just put 2.1" ice tyres on my Scandal and it looks just wrong 🙂

moi?

Annoyingly I've not gotten anywhere with it at all yet...I needed a new front hub and ordered from on one...a few days later they said "thanks, we'll send that out some time" chased them a week later to hear "oh sorry that should have been an out-of-stock email" 🙄

should have the stuff when I get back to build it, but it's only 2.5" diesel on a 50mm rim so quite far from the real thing. Good to see All the threads and get more informed. looking for those 3" Vreds.

oh and if it's the other al, please ignore this post 😀

Your KM looks good.

I'm going to be building up a 135mm front wheel over Xmas so I'll be taking the 100mm Surly fork off the Pug.

If anyone reasonably local to me wants to borrow it for a short time to try a half-fat, they're welcome. May even be able to rustle up a spare front wheel if I don't disassemble the one I'm currently using (32mm rim).

I've also got an unused Endomorph, but I'd rather not lend that out.

Priority will go to anyone entered in the 'Puffer.

Poo when that happens isn't it al 🙁

Epicyclo don't fancy flogging do you 😉

Epicyclo I'm fat curious, 😳 where is local?

Dingwall I think...too far from me 🙁

you should all get sent to prison for thinking it; for writting it down and putting photos on an internet forum you should face the death penalty. all of those bikes are gopping aweful ugly and bobbins. shame on all of you. i feel ill i can never remove those images from my mind now.

just seen on mtbr a guy running 2.3 tyres on 70mm rims to get 2.9 width in his KM