[Closed] I got told off earlier!!

I agree with TP!

I agreed with TJ. If only because of the rude, agressive and pompous pillocks arguing with him.

hamishthecat - Member

I agreed with TJ. If only because of the rude, agressive and pompous pillocks arguing with him.

but if the landowner asked me to leave I'd respect their decision (unless it's FC land in which case I'd view it as fair game).

i don't think you've considered the safety element - coming to a woodland near you soon

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maybe if you own sufficient land that others don't invade your privacy by accessing it or cause any harm then you have a moral duty to allow some public access?

maybe if you own sufficient land that others don't invade your privacy by accessing it or cause any harm then you have a moral duty to allow some public access?

which is almost exactly the point that I was trying to get some of the more ****y types to consider earlier..

well thats a first people usually disagree with me on the grounds I am rude and pompous

I've never seen you as pompous 8)

If he stops you again just say you need some proof that its his land, when he goes off to get it ride off!

Am frankly amazed at how many people here seem to be in favour of trespass laws. I'm totally with TJ on this one and also glad I live in Scotland where attitudes (and the law) are a lot more relaxed

So you think its acceptable for a landowner to allow walkers but not bikes on his land and are prepared to just meekly obey this when there is no harm from riding bike there and no crime committed nor sanction available.

Yes I do, After the party in your garden we could all crap on the lawn, I'm sorry if the concept of ownership is difficult to understand just because a piece of land is bigger than a garden how does it make it a access free for all? Just because they are willing to let a small number of people use [b]their[/b] land doesn't mean everyone can.

I'm sure most responsible land owners wouldn't go as far as an injunction for repeated trespassers, a hole in the ground is much simpler and quicker......

Maybe some of these would help too
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wunhundred

ScoobysM8 - Member
Am frankly amazed at how many people here seem to be in favour of trespass laws. I'm totally with TJ on this one and also glad I live in Scotland where attitudes (and the law) are a lot more relaxed.

The OP said:

I'm not wanting to start a whole thread about cheeky trails being right or wrong but is there any thing legally that he can do if we 'accidently' cross paths in there again?

Some of us (or me specifically!) have answered the OP's question. Giving an answer to the question that reflects current UK law doesn't necessarily mean that the person answering the question either agrees with the current law nor indeed abides by current law themselves. Just answering the question like... 😉

the landowner yesterday...

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... still gonna ride there? 😯

Can somebody confirm that farmers are allowed to use reasonable force to remove a cyclist from a footpath?
I would have thought only a policeman or ranger could do that.

Its not uncommon for farmers in South Wales to decide to change the access laws of paths that cross their land. Homemade signs (usually No Bikes) nailed over official signs are commonly seen in the Beacons.

I've had similar incidents to the OP and had extremely aggressive encounters with a couple of farmers.
In all instances I was on a ROW but there was disagreement as to whether it was a footpath or bridlepath. The OS maps would disagree with him.

In all instances I've photographed the farmer and told him that he could do nothing but report me to an authority and continued to cross the land.
This is not to be antagonistic but often looking at the maps reveals no reasonable way round the obstruction, so I'm not going to get lost or bonk out in a remote area to appease a farmers own private law.

In short:
[u]Can farmers legally use force to remove you from a ROW even if it is a footpath in Wales?[/u]

Yes. ( I think)

If someone is trespassing and refuses to leave the landowner can use reasonable force to remove them. Reasonable force being the minimum required effectively

However the landowner cannot change the ROW status of the paths - and the council should have both definitive maps of the paths and a rights of way officer who will deal with this sort of incident.

WOW my first thread to hit 100+ 😆

Well I rode through again yesterday evening, apologies to the folks that said I should'nt, and I did'nt see a soul, well apart from a squirrel that looked impressed when I rode a set of steps!

I have also spoken to the local 'copper' and he said tell the guy who confronted me to piss off 😀