*well one of us anyway
What a complete cock
I take it you are talking about the cop?
What a c***!
His lawyer advised him to remain silent...
So why didn't he?
Banker.
"I am a student of the law myself".
Err, no, you are you are indeed the end of the bell.
What a tosser
"His lawyer advised him to remain silent...
So why didn't he? "
I think the point is not answering questions so you don't say anything that will cause a problem for you later. I don't think it's to do your best mute impression.
Lets hope he needed the police's help in the near future & they fail to turn up because some other bell end is wasting their time.
Perfect example of someone who can't take their medicine when they get caught out doing something they shouldn't.
Policeman shouldn't have tried to grab the camera though 😯
No one else reading this as 'guy with a bit of savvy gets one over on idiot cop'?
Personally I thing its the cop that has been pwned as the kids say, and then lost his temper in a most unprofessional fashion. Only one tool in this exchange.
I don't think anyone came out of that well, tbh.
Funny though.
Should have still been given a ticket for fouling to stop at a red light
same law applies to motor vehicles.
Basically cyclist total nob But just shows the lack of knowledge of the Police
not knowing the actual law and unfortunately you can see how the criminal
gets off scot free.
Basically a shambles
Absolute bellend
No one else reading this as 'guy with a bit of savvy gets one over on idiot cop'?
No - cop might be an idiot, but cyclist is a knob.
No one else reading this as 'guy with a bit of savvy gets one over on idiot cop'?
I'm reading it as jolly arrogant twerps spots a chance to show off after watching one too many helmet cam clips.
Clearly the cop wasn't one of the finest, but I suspect if the guy had been even slightly contrite then they'd both have ridden on their way after a verbal warning.
I'd also like to see the bit of footage from just before this when they guy allegedly jumped the red light.
No - cop might be an idiot, but cyclist is a knob
I'll vote for smart over stupid every time but as mentioned above neither has really covered themselves in glory.
Does flag up some of the poorer traits of our boys in blue though.
Think the police should be allowed to carry guns......
Think the police should be allowed to carry guns......
Have you strayed in from the Clarkson thread?
They always start the conversation " do you know why I'm stopping" in the hope youll admit to some indescretion avoiding them the trouble of providing proof.
He didnt need to say nothing just admit to nothing, it wouldnt have gone anywhere.
Cripes, didn''t we discuss this fully enough back in April?
It was the smug and condescending tone he used that irritated me. Yes the Police also always use that tone but he still come out of it looking like a smart arse.
Old news
Pair of knobs, but Pc stout should have a better understanding if the laws he is trying to enforce. Trying to grab the camera makes it look he was try to wing it.
Cyclist is a complete berk, both for running the red light and for not accepting his penalty like an adult. Instead he's trying to weasel out of it by catching out a cop who's trying to make the roads safer for all but clearly hasn't read up on the sections he needs to.
No-one looks good, but the cyclist looks like a complete moron - if he were my mate I'd have ridden off in shame by now.
Cyclist is a total jeb.
Cop simply got caught out of his element.
I agree with none of it, but the guy did get out of a ticket.
Stong work, Fella!
Look at it this way.
One of them is an amateur and the other a professional.
Who's behaviour is worse in that light?
Who's behaviour is worse in that light?
well only one of them makes me want to punch them in the face if that helps?
I think the professional spent plenty of time trying to be nice and calm about it, only to be overcome by the complete retard trying to get out of a £30 ticket for being a danger to others.
not so smart cyclist..
Other than under road traffic and anti-social behaviour legislation, you do not commit an offence in English law by refusing to give your name and address to the police. However there are certain situations where the police may arrest you if they cannot establish your name and address, and if you are arrested and charged with an offence you will be unlikely to be granted bail unless they can establish these details.
you never have to give your name and address to the police prior to arrest, subject to the following 3 exceptions:
where the police reasonably suspect you of a non-arrestable offence, and require your name and address for the service of a summons (Section 25 Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 (PACE));
where you are the driver of a vehicle;
where the police say they suspect you of “anti-social behaviour.
2 simple thingsthe copper should frankly have known and if he did nt they do have the means of communication which he should have used.
only to be overcome by the complete retard trying to get out of a £30 ticket for being a danger to others.
Nae excuse for that.
BTW I belive mongol and not retard is the preferred mode of address these days.
Sure he shouldn't have done it, but it's understandable. And by far the most irritating person in that video is the cyclist. I've no idea why he's not being treated with the same hatred as car drivers who speed and try to get out of it by finding fault in the paperwork.
What a massive idiot.
I've no idea why he's not being treated with the same hatred as car drivers who speed and try to get out of it by finding fault in the paperwork.
Because you don't know if he actually jumped that light or not?
I'm surprised anyone sides with the cyclist, what a completely stupid thing to do. He didn't deny the accusation but tried and failed to be clever.
I've got a couple of friends who are coppers, coppers NOT lawyers. So next time someone's robbing a bank or beating an old lady to death (as happened a mile from house 2 years ago) should the police get out the correct book of law?
Sadly 'cyclists' jump red lights all the time and then they bitch about car drivers driving badly. This guy makes me embarrassed to be a cyclist1
so, if the policeman was doing his job properly what should he have done?
[i]so, if the policeman was doing his job properly what should he have done? [/i]
Punch the bloke to the ground and then charge him with assault.
Crims are crims but that bloke's an arsehole.
excellent 😆
enjoyed that.
Cop should have been able to quote the correct section of the road traffic act, cyclist shouldn't have broke the law.
Think the cyclist looks the biggest cock though..
I'd also like to see the bit of footage from just before this when they guy allegedly jumped the red light.
Strangely absent, that bit.
Because you don't know if he actually jumped that light or not?
Well I know which I'd put my money on.
So next time someone's robbing a bank or beating an old lady to death (as happened a mile from house 2 years ago) should the police get out the correct book of law?
Straw man
I think that they are equally as idiotic as each other. The cyclist was trying to be a smart ass after blatantly running the light as alluded to by the copper and the copper wasn't sure of which law he was referring to and got frustrated about being filmed being thick and lashed out. completely unprofessional IMO
one tool one incompetant.
Why should the tool embarass you as a cyclist? Do monumentally shit/whiny drivers embarass other drivers? No
It was a battle of wits between 2 unarmed men.
I feel sad for both of them.
so, does anyone know if:
1 - the cyclist didn't have to accept the paperwork?
2 - the cyclist had the right to refuse to give his name and address and whether this was an arrestable offence?
3 - the cyclist had the right to record the policeman on camera and if the policeman could tell him to stop recording?
Good to see that the "cyclist"* spent so much time trying to be a smart-arse and thereby wasting police time. Of course, many on here think running red lights is perfectly OK as long as you are not in a car. I would expect them to side with the "cyclist"*.
Ultimately the "cyclist"* is an arsehole. Thanks very much knob.
*Dickwad
Granted there were a few cringe-worthy moments ("I'm a student of the law you know!" is particularly ****y) and I do not RLJ or agree that any cyclist should. However, the cyclist was fundamentally within his rights to ask some very basic questions of the policeman, and not to simply do whatever he's told because a bloke in DayGlo tells him to. The police are given very specific powers over the general populace under very specific conditions; one comes with the other - they don't have carte blanche to do whatever they feel is the right thing.
Cyclist was still a bit of a tool though...
Going purely on the fact that the guy didn't automatically argue that he didn't go throw a red light, I'd assume he was just being a tool. If he jumped the light he should have just taken the fine and got on with it. The copper may have been out of his element and not come across as all to bright, but so what. You broke the law. Accept the outcomes. Can't even say that I'd hope he gets knocked down next time as I can't imagine how the driver would feel.
If he didn't jump the light, go through the correct process and argue the fact in court. He's just made himself look like a muppet IMO.
brakes..
you dont have to accept the paperwork.. BUT making that choice makes no difference to the outcome.
as you are alleged to have committed an offence under the road traffic act the conductor of ANY vehicle has to give thier name and address
the cyclist can record what he wishes until he is arrested then he does as the copper wishes..
Rozzer should have nicked him just to waste his time.
what flow says..
where the police reasonably suspect you of a non-arrestable offence, and require your name and address for the service of a summons (Section 25 Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 (PACE));
where you are the driver of a vehicle;
where the police say they suspect you of “anti-social behaviour.
s25 PACE has been repealed. SOCPA replaced it
Cyclist contravenes red light and commits an offence under the Road Traffic Act, an FPN is "offered" and it doesn't have to be accepted. If the cyclist doesn't want to accept the ticket I'd summons him and if he refuses to give me his name and address he arrested under s24 PACE, because I can't acertain his identity. Simple
....and both are cocks
thanks Kato
Cyclist broke the law then tried to be clever, comes across as a complete w***er.
what a ****ing **** how did that cop keep his cool.
This comes over as the policeman looking so unprofessional. This could have easily gone wrong being on a busy road with cars passing very close.
The officer lets himself down at the end. He should be used to dealing with idiots like that.
He should have just had the confidence in his own knowledge to just nick the bloke.
The cyclist is a prize twonk, reinforced by the fact he thinks he's done well enough to post it on youtube, and lucky he didn't come up against a copper who could have cut through his bull and called up the van.
Are we supposed to play "Guess the STW user?" or what?
http://dannyshine.blogspot.com/
Scroll down to 'The Bike Incident'
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.
Particularly liked the bit about how he performed some 'transactional analysis' of the affair during a 'co-counselling session' with a friend.
Not really sure what to say to that. Cyclists going through red lights annoys me immensely, but PC Stout should really be educated on what to say to these jokers.
If I had been the man, I'd have said that I was in a hurry to get my child from school, saw the red light, thoroughly checked for crossing pedestrians, and decided that I would risk it. I was terribly sorry and it would never happen again. Doubt I would have got a ticket.
Policemen get far too much of this shit nowadays from people who don't know what the law is themself. These guys are trying to do their damn job, why make it hard for them? They only human underneath and he could easily have got away without a ticket without breaking the law again.
The fact remains the cyclist got away scott free and the policeman was left made to look a complete incompetent with no arrest or summons served!
The cyclist is a cock though, no doubt but I think the copper should have known what he was doing before being allowed to be on cycle duty.
while I've said the guy comes across as a tool there's been plenty of threads on here in the past about getting out of speeding and parking fines and lets face it the rest of the world don't seem to have much of a problem with prominent members of society wheedling their way out of traffic offences.think running red lights is perfectly OK as long as you are not in a car. I would expect them to side with the "cyclist"
how to wind a copper up in 30 seconds flat, yes should have nicked him, shame copper wasn't bit more on it but he did look out of breath to be fair