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Righty - I'll give Rob a call tonight. And start selling some stuff...
asterix - Member
@thisisnotaspoon
just weighed my CAAD4 R500 and measured 9.1 kgit does have two bottle cages and a computer/watch on it, but I'd love to work out where the rest of the excess is. It has a 105 groupset. Do you have carbon seatpost. bars etc - I dont. How to find those extra kgs?
thisisnotaspoon- Member
Little bits everywhere.Carbon (Canyon) post, alu (ritchey WCS) bar and stem
1300g wheelset (stans alpha without stickers to keep the 'looks cheep'/sleeper illusion)
FSA carbon chainset
DA7800 groupset
Planet X brakes
Ultremo ZX tyres
Conti supersonic tubesI paid £300 for the whole bike with tiagra s/h in 2004, then spent about £900 to lose the weight. The onyy standard bits are the frame and fork. I started by stripping and weighing each components, then seeing how much weight I could squeeze off without going silly, the criteria was it had to cost less in total than a new CAAD10 105 whilst manageing to be significantly lighter.
Cheers. I suppose I do have a steel seat post and a (very comfy) Brookes saddle that could be changed out to lose a pound or two. Also got winter tyres on just at the moment too, so that might help once spring really sets in
Tyres and tubes do seem to make the most difference, both on the scales and to feel.
But I was plesently suprised how light it feels even with older heavy wheels and winter tyres despite being 'only' about 3lb lighter than it was when new (4lb in the complete new build). Although an equal ammount of that feel probably comes from better quality bits like the comfier seatpost, stiffer stem, better shaped bars, nicer tape, fresh gears etc as well as the weight loss.
FYI, my pedals weigh 262g
triban 3 - 10.5kg
Damn, I wish I had an attic like that!only had to purchase the frame as all other parts found in boxes in the attic
FYI my saddle and seatpost weigh 500g in total
Brakes FYI my pedals weigh 227 grams 😉
I don't understand. Why give the weight 'without pedals'....they're an essential part of the bike! I get the stipulation of 'with mudguards/bottles/garmin etc....but without pedals?! Yeah, my bike weighs 5kg...without the wheels.
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Not a great looker but rides nice! As above 15.51lbs or 7035g.
Brakes FYI my pedals weigh 227 grams
FYI both of you, my pedals weigh 195g 😉
I don't understand. Why give the weight 'without pedals'....they're an essential part of the bike!
I think it's basically because pedals are personal - top end bikes very rarely include them and pedal weights vary pretty significantly, so a lot of manufacturers claim weights without pedals, as many people will have a personal choice and weight likely doesn't influence that.
don't understand. Why give the weight 'without pedals'....they're an essential part of the bike! I get the stipulation of 'with mudguards/bottles/garmin etc....but without pedals?! Yeah, my bike weighs 5kg...without the wheels.
We've covered this already, read the thread. Everyone has their prefered pedal system, you could use Shimano/Look/Time (heavy pedal light cleat), or speedplay (light pedal, heavy cleat). So shops sell bikes without pedals and quote weight accordingly,
It's not uncommon for mountain bike weights to be quoted "without tyres" (or more commonly, the weight given without tyres, but without telling you it's without tyres)!
[edit] beaten by faster fingers.
ok, big guns....
9.5 lb's
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custom built beauty made up of the lightest stuff available at the time.
I don't understand. Why give the weight 'without pedals'.
Thought we'd covered that one on the previous 2 pages of this thread...? No? 😕
EDIT: Shouldn't leave a page open for 15 minutes without refreshing before responding!
why all the weights "without bikes"?
...though if we're going to pedal wave, mine are [s]164g[/s] 158g
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(not my picture)
...I think I might win that one 🙂
those are ludicrous!
[url= http://www.speedplay.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.zero_nanogram ]I win the pedal War![/url]
Well I would, if I owned a pair... 😉
130g the pair... Silly money though!
my new tarmac sport i reckon is about 19lbs at present (all standard kit that came with bike).
once i've finished paying it off,i hope to upgrade it with lighter stuff (funds allowing).
i know that if i had a bottomless bank balance,i could build it very light (compared to what it is at present).
edit i currently have some cheapo toeclips/straps pedals (cannot afford to buy clipless yet) so that is partly why it is over 19 lbs.
7.2kgs with pedals, bottle cages, and lights.
Pictured earlier today.
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Mine weighs about 25 lb .The bloke who runs out LBS had his down to 11 lbs 😯
16.6 lbs with pedals and Garmin.
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dirtyrider, what build spec are those Enve's?
Enve 45 Tubulars with Tune Hubs and CX-Ray Spokes
i Had to wonder!
i built some exactly the same as that on mig70/mag170's a few months back with white spokes.
thats a lovely bike build.
Michaellivett, who are your wheels powered by? Can't quite make out the stickers.
the front has a weird squeak, seemingly common problem, probably because the hub shell is not one piece 🙁
a squeak?
never had that before.
My 56cm Spesh Secteur is a disgusting 22 lbs.
[b]AND[/b] it's a triple
My Cube Peloton SL is a slightly tubby 9.74kg with mudguards, lights bottle cage, pump and pedals (PD A600's)
thisisnotaspoon what are your thoughts on the ultremo zx, I'm running open corsa cx at the moment but they're due to be be replaced. The ultremo or new open corsa sl are top of the list.
Anyway my road bike weighs around 7kg helped by a slammed stem, which I find comfortable, latex tubes, and a 76g saddle. I can definately cut a couple of 100g though.
Bianchi Sempre Ultegra with 4za wheels at 18.9lbs.
Today my saddle started creaking on the down stroke, making me feel as first the BB had died until I located the source.
thisisnotaspoon what are your thoughts on the ultremo zx, I'm running open corsa cx at the moment but they're due to be be replaced. The ultremo or new open corsa sl are top of the list.
I had ZX's on my bike last year.
Great tyres, very light but they're very prone to cuts and nicks. They never punctured but they were definitely one season only. I took them off just before I did LEJOG, wouldn't have faniced my chances on them for that!
I'll probably get another pair of ZXs for this season but just be aware that they're not the most durable tyre ever. Great in all other respects - grippy, fast rolling, lightweight.
I win the pedal War!
Not when "the cleats weigh only 88.5 grams per pair"
anyway, I actually have a set of the 158g ones on my bike 8)
Oh great. I just bought Ultremo ZX to replace my Durano S.
An Addict, its light.
Cheers crazy-legs I didn't expect durability to be a strong point. The do seem to be the 'darling' tyre of the moment and just want to check its not all hype. It's for the dry weather bike only so durability isn't such an issue.
Double post weirdness
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20.3 pounds for a 59cm 853 frame with 32 spoke wheels, compared to my old S-Works its noticibly slower on the climbs but its buttery smooth.
I could probably lose a pound with different wheels but that not why I bought it.
BTW unless you are getting down towards 4.5 kg its not light 🙂
Start with pedals
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71 grams a pair
aracer - Member...though if we're going to pedal wave, mine are 164g 158g
(not my picture)
...I think I might win that one
Aahhhh but..... would you want a pedal stickered ex-paedo....? 🙂
I could probably lose a pound with different wheels but that not why I bought it.
Let me guess - you bought it to keep the sheep out of your back garden?
Let me guess - you bought it to keep the sheep out of your back garden?
We can't all be short arses riding 54cm bikes then willy wave how light our small bikes are
this thread is getting to me - I have just been looking for latex inner tubes
Asterix, me too! How much weight can be saved using latex inner tubes ? It obviously depends on ones current inner tunes. I've got some rather porky Spesh butyls.
I suspect losing weight in the right places can make a big difference, and the inertia effect of having ones wheels lighter around the outside could be quite noticeable .
Continental Supersonics weigh 50 grams, a Specialized butyl is around 100 grams in 25 c
Ride feel of latex tubes is great though.
59cm is a gate now? You'd love my 64cm.
It's just his short man syndrome coming out ormondroyd 😉
6.8kg, without pedals 😉
7.2kg with more normal wheels 😀
Not bad for a 60cm custom Waterford!
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that is one helluva poverty spec indy fab!
that is one helluva poverty spec indy fab!
Cheers, oh it's not an indy fab but a Waterford.
I could go lighter and put carbon seatpost, bar and stem but that would look like i'm trying too hard 😉
What tubing is it TheDoctor?
Full True Temper S3 Tubeset, Tear drop top tube, Bi-oval Downtube.
She sure is pretty, reckon I've got half a pound in the lugs on mine
reckon I've got half a pound in the lugs on mine
Yeah, but you cannot beat a classic lugged steel frame 😀
We can't all be short arses riding 54cm bikes then willy wave how light our small bikes are
Size really is a red herring IMO. I've weighed identical production bikes with a bigger variation in one size than between sizes! Yes a 64 will be heavier than a 52cm frame, but it's not the pounds difference people seem to think.
Hi Njee, material is the bigger issue; the kit on my Jackson came straight over from a 58cm S-Works and the weight has leapt from 18.5 to 20 pounds by moving from carbon to steel
thisisnotaspoon what are your thoughts on the ultremo zx, I'm running open corsa cx at the moment but they're due to be be replaced. The ultremo or new open corsa sl are top of the list.
had ZX's on my bike last year.
Great tyres, very light but they're very prone to cuts and nicks. They never punctured but they were definitely one season only. I took them off just before I did LEJOG, wouldn't have faniced my chances on them for that!I'll probably get another pair of ZXs for this season but just be aware that they're not the most durable tyre ever. Great in all other respects - grippy, fast rolling, lightweight.
Not had them long enough to comment on durability, but to ride they're the best summer/race tyre I've tried (out of these, Pro3 and GP4000). I've not tried tubulars, tubeless or 'open tubular' tyres so can't comment against those. They only cost me about 2/3rds the price of a pair of GP4000S' so if they last through the summer I'll be happy.
I don't race (or even ride as much as I used to) so quite happy to sacrifice durability for the sake of 'nice'. If I was doing 1000's of miles a month I'd probbaly pick some cheeper more durable tyre's.
Ride feel of latex tubes is great though.
Are they actualy better than conti supersonics? I like the fact I can repair supersonics if needed.
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Lovely bike there TheDoctor, very classy wheels!
Not tried conti supersonic tubes as I've read they aren't very durable. Don't know if thats true or not.
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About 8.3kgs. That's with mountain bike pedals, a terrible seatpost (since changed to Thomson) and heavy wheels (1.9kg). Groupset is Rival, stem & bars are EA50.
Not tried conti supersonictubes as I've read they aren't very durable. Don't know if thats true or not.
Not tried [s]conti supersonic[/s] [b][i]latex[/b][/i] tubes as I've read they aren't very durable. Don't know if thats true or not.
Guess they're probably quite similar. Given that 'latex' (even 100% natural is usualy only a few percent out of a tree) is usualy (or a significant protion) butadiene, which is also the main component of tyre rubber (I think, used to work on a chemical plant making the stuff, but just the chemical, not the end product).
Not tried conti supersonic tubes as I've read they aren't very durable. Don't know if thats true or not.
I used Supersonic tubes with some Fusion 2s for quite a while and didn't have any real problems.
My tube of choice is the Spesh Turbo - a bit lighter than 'normal' tubes, but don't seem any more puncture prone. Only a pound or so more expensive, and they come in a pre-talced bag too.
fogliettaz, is that a FM066?
fogliettaz, is that a FM066?
It is.
Nice, how'd you like it?
I've had a FM028 for a year now and it's been great.
First ride tomorrow, apartment a pootle up the road to check everything works. I have had an FM001 for the last 4 years which will be up for sale. I also have an MTB frame from the same supplier, they are all good.damitamit
59cm is a gate now? You'd love my 64cm.
pahh.. 64!.. 72 is where it's at
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Alloy TCR with Ultegra 6600 and Ksyrium Elite wheels weighs just over 8 kilos. Will replace the alloy bars with carbon, carbon/alloy fork with a full carbon one and some nicer KEO blade pedals. And that's about it for weight saving. Frame is 1400g, the same weight as my former Ti Merlin with Centaur. Target would be 7.3 kilos. But it does include a 20g power meter now.
Rider needs to shed a little too (11st at the moment)
EDIT: and since we are weighweenying, the Elite wheels don't require rim tape, and the tubes are 50g Continentals. Tyres are Mavic, about 200g each. There is only one bottle cage and I've just bought a carbon 28g Bonty one. Normal saddle is a Flite Ti, but I also have the carbon shell of an old SLR with Ti rails that weighs only 130g.
EDIT2:
saves only 100g in total. Same as the tubes.Ultremo ZX to replace my Durano S
EDIT3: My low-grade steel fixed wheel Kona Paddy Wagon road bike is 9.8 kilos with full SKS mudguards and custom wheels. That's lighter than stock and feels great.
trickydisco - Member
59cm is a gate now? You'd love my 64cm.
pahh.. 64!.. 72 is where it is
Yuk, that's horrible. Sorry. 🙁
Not [i]that[/i] light (but could be easily), but look what I get to have a go on tomorrow... 😛
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Just superb!
We've got a customer who's after a high end road bike ATM, and wants (rightly so) to demo a few top end bikes first. So I've borrowed the above off our rep to take him out on... And of course I've [i]got[/i] to take it for a spin first... 😉
My giant is a beast at 27lbs!
27lbs...! Is the frame full of sand.?
Mboy, that Bianchi looks stunning . Cost?
Neilsonwheels - may have had saddle bag on cant remember but using bathroom scales that's what it came out as. It's heavier than my epic so about right.
Mboy, that Bianchi looks stunning . Cost?
I'm sorry to report, its one of those "if you have to ask" prices...
£7500
Not cheap!
Can tell you after 35 miles on it today though, it's certainly the nicest road bike I've ridden by some distance. I even quite liked the Campy Super Record despite the position of the thumb shifters being not very intuitive (compared to Shimano) in my eyes.
Oh, and it's bang on 6.8kg without pedals. Or 7kg with Look Keo Carbon Blades fitted.
Campag old boy. This is the United Kingdom.
No idea 😐
Light, but it has to stand up to very working class racing. here's a section of the second road race this month,
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Might need some 28's
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