Good mate of mine has a very tired old Spesh Enduro from about 2007. Needs new everything (transmission, wheels, brakes, dropper post, etc) and all the bushings are shot. We totalled up the cost of fixing it and it was about £1000 to do it properly.
For that money, my view is he'd be better off with a 2nd hand AM type bike. It's for an alps trip that will have some pedalling (not just uplifts). For comparison I'm taking my Mega AM. He's a Medium (5ft8ish) on every bike he's had.
Very much a spesh fan but open to offers. I'm assuming there's nothing off the shelf that's going to come down to that budget unless anyone has seen some amazing offers. Failing that (and apologies Mods if this should be in the wanted section), anyone have anything for sale.
He's in London, I'm in Herefordshire. Bikes near either of those places preferred.
Pink Bike Classifieds is one of the places to head
That is an ABSOLUTE bargain... beyond all comprehension.
I used one a couple of years back in Morzine and it was superb.
I sold it for £850 and that was a bargain.... For that money... it's a steal.
No, I'm not associated to the bloke selling it in any way at all.
What Mike said. Pinkbike, filter by location, price (put it up to £1500, people might be open to barter) and size and you're away.
As Weeksy has said - that Supershuttle is a BARGAIN!!!
Essentially think of it as a 5/Alpine160 on steroids. Adjustable geo/travel, bulletproof construction.
Roger (Bionicon UK boss man) is a top guy and on hand for full support etc.
Wish I'd kept my Supershuttle TBH.
I'll emailed him that link. And I'll have a look at pink bike when I get home. Ta.
There was a bloke in the classifieds selling a Spesh Pitch for £750 (from memory) which would be ideal.
andyrm - MemberAs Weeksy has said - that Supershuttle is a BARGAIN!!!
Essentially think of it as a 5/Alpine160 on steroids. Adjustable geo/travel, bulletproof construction.
Roger (Bionicon UK boss man) is a top guy and on hand for full support etc.
Wish I'd kept my Supershuttle TBH
If I didn't have the Commencal I'd buy this all day just for a fun/BPW bike....
Bionicon might be a bargain if it was all working 100%
Sadly that one isn't, Pinkbike is the Answer loadsa choice
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almightydutch - MemberBionicon might be a bargain if it was all working 100%
£100 with Roger at Bionicon would see both shocks serviced and working. £25 on a bottom bracket....
Shame, if he'd wanted a DH bike, I have a cheap one for sale and if he was down there for the PdS I could even have delivered it
The Bionicon does give me "might need pretty much everything replaced" feels but still.
Pinkbike for me, possibly with keywords like "Patriot".
Bit of a classic?
Bullit £750 (not related to seller!)
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[url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/santa-cruz-bullit-mark-2 ]Bullit for sale[/url]
I picked up a Pitch last year for £560 and it only really needed a new back wheel. They are cheap and plentiful to find and buy. Plenty solid enough for the Alps, maybe add a Lyrik fork.
PS Have you seen the medium Mega and Lyriks in the classifieds? Its cheap and you could add wheels and a Deore groupset and be sorted.
for a wee bit more....
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/kona-entourage-suspension-bike-2013/rp-prod119474
The obvious answer that's been echoed all around here is "Specialized Pitch with Lyriks", truly a classic bike in the making that does everything it says on the tin.
Surely a used Spesh SX trail or even an Enduro Evo will fall into that budget range?
If you're looking to build something then I can wholly recommend a Marin Quad 140 frame, there are plenty about and they handle abuse extremely well.
Needs new everything (transmission, wheels, brakes, dropper post, etc
Does it? For a trip to the Alps? A dropper really?
Refresh the bearings onthe frame. Get the brakes bled, I don't see why he needs a new bike?!
OR...why not just hire one? Less hassle, no excess charges at the airport etc.
When he gets back he'll want a totally new bike anyway as he'll see lots out there, discussing, bitten by the bug etc so WAIT until hes back before pulling the permanent trigger.
Hora, that's good advice
Did I just type that? 🙂
I'm with Hora, Just how humped can his Enduro be seriously?
Honestly [I]"...£1000 to do it properly..."[/I]? or has a bit of snobbery dragged the pair of you up budget on every last detail?
Hiring one might be a good shout. No snobbery here but thanks for making the assumption. I love STW, good advice rubs along with people trolling.
I've a pitch in bits in the garrage, most/all of what in the photo.
Only thing that needs fixing is the reverb hose stain reliever at the post end, it's works and doesn't leak, but I'd not trust it on a week in the Alps.
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Make me an offer.
No snobbery here but thanks for making the assumption. I love STW, good advice rubs along with people trolling.
Trolling? Nobody told you to top yourself..
A couple of us were just questioning how you can burn a grand refurbishing a slightly older bike for a trip to the alps, what's the bike's spec, whats the state of it, what were you actually proposing to replace/repair and why?
Im the guy with the pitch for sale for £750 have a look at my posts it has some upgrades too like a fox dhx 5 air so perfect for the Alps!
Pitch for the money. It's what I was looking at for that sort of price a while back.
Plenty of mediums around too, and the last year (2011 IIRC) was totally reworked for 150mm forks.
Plenty of mediums around too, and the last year (2011 IIRC) was totally reworked for 150mm forks.
It wasn't (I've got one), they just re-did the geometry table to say it was 0.5deg slacker, longer wheelbase, etc, the only actual changes were the fork and tyres.
/\/\140 Pikes changed to 150 Sektors were the only geometry difference.
The OP says drivetrains wheels dropper & bushings are shot and the bike is 7 years old so tired too as maybe the forks. So I would sack it off and buy another bike.
I wouldn't hire as you could buy an Alps bike and flog it for similar money upon return.
[url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/nukeproof-mega-m-frame-380-rockshox-lyrik-u-turn-180-flowexwtb-hope-pro-2 ]stw mega lyriks wheels etc - not mine![/url]
So yeah, anyone want a specialized big hit? I can deliver to Morzine at the end of June 😉
OT: Do you guys fly to the alps or drive over?
if you fly - fairly inexpensive to take your own bike on a holiday?
Thanks all. Dropped a mail to ben
We're driving over
Oh for info, current enduro has two cracked rims, hubs probably salvageable but need new bearings. All shock bushings/pivot bearings need changing (shop quoted £150 - Yes i know it could be done cheaper but he has no access to tools/workshop), he wants a reverb after testing a new enduro with one, needs new transmission 1x10 or 2x10 and new brakes. And again having ridden a demo, wants some longer bars. Forks and Headset are good 😉 Oh and both tyres are bald!
crouchingpig - MemberOT: Do you guys fly to the alps or drive over?
if you fly - fairly inexpensive to take your own bike on a holiday?
2012 we drove. 2014 we're flying. Taking your own bike is £75. By the time you put in hire costs as £200 for 3 days, then equate that to new pads, tyres, damage etc on your own bike, along with £75 flight costs, it works out better to just hire on for our 3 riding days.
Full deore groupset inc brakes 250 at merlin and your well on the way 😉
+1 for a marin frame. IIRC, somebody was selling a quake on the classifieds quite recently. It was cheap and would be ideal. 167mm suspension on the rear and ideally 170mm or more on the front.
Great bike indeed
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found them
frame: http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/fs-marin-quake-frame-dh-wheels-rental-howies-ccdb-lots-more
full bike:
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/fs-marin-quake-73-2008-600
Sunn Charger S1 in CRC? £1400 so a bit off budget but lot of bike for the money 170mm Lyriks, Formula, Hilo dropper
Sunn have gone bust so only 1 year warranty from CRC but still 1 year more than a secondhand bike
It wasn't (I've got one), they just re-did the geometry table to say it was 0.5deg slacker, longer wheelbase, etc, the only actual changes were the fork and tyres.
/\/\140 Pikes changed to 150 Sektors were the only geometry difference.
Fair enough - I was using this as a basis. Shortening the headtube and increasing standover seemed appropriate given the longer fork: http://factoryjackson.com/2010/11/28/tested-2011-specialized-pitch-pro/#.U3SJEl5arkM
Am I missing something? How is a Pitch better than an Enduro?
Spend 700+ for what reason then?!
Refresh your current then post holiday sell the frame and transplant everything over to a new frame.
Plus its a bike you know, so no added nerves/jittery. Plus when your back you'd want something entirely different... not be left with an old Pitch.
What Hora said ^^^
Sell a bike with a load of known, relatively easy to rectify problems to buy a 2nd hand one with unknown ones. No ta. From what you're describing needs doing I'd think it could be covered off for about £6-700 easily but in all liklihood a fair bit cheaper.
And he might want a dropper but the Alps is one of the places I don't think they add much.
A grand? Bearings about 35 quid. Slx ice brakes from wiggle 100 a pair. New bb maybe 25. Wheels? New bearings tenner. New rim is only 45 quid. Fork seals and oil are next to nothing. New cables all round. New chain 17, cassette 25
All needs doing anyway
Yikes, I'm another voting with Hora. Seems dumb not to just fix what he's got already. You aren't racing so Deore level kit or similar will be perfect. No need to spend a fortune, it's only messing around on bikes.
And he might want a dropper but the Alps is one of the places I don't think they add much.
It's a big place and not all the same, I used mine loads out there.
How is a Pitch better than an Enduro?
Or more to the point, how is a 2011 Pitch better than a 2007 Enduro?
It's substantially cheaper than a 2011 Enduro while only losing 10mm of travel, for a start...
Eh? The OP's friend doesn't have a 2011 Enduro
Why are you skewing years/an argument?
Honestly if I'd wanted a discussion on 'fix your current bike' I'd have posted 'should my mate fix his current bike' 😉
I'll look round the other options.
Whys he not bought the Bionicon and thrown £300 at it, still saving him £300 on budget for beers in the Alps ?
So what exactly does your mate need to survive a week of lift assisted riding in the Alps? one week... that's it
Oh for info, current enduro has two cracked rims, hubs probably salvageable but need new bearings. All shock bushings/pivot bearings need changing (shop quoted £150 - Yes i know it could be done cheaper but he has no access to tools/workshop), he wants a reverb after testing a new enduro with one, needs new transmission 1x10 or 2x10 and new brakes. And again having ridden a demo, wants some longer bars. Forks and Headset are good Oh and both tyres are bald!
Wheels could be sorted for under £100
If the mech isn't actually bent and the shifter still clicks then fresh Cable/Chain/Cassette/Ring... ~£50...
Brakes? Bleed, clean up rotors, fresh pads ~£30ish
Bars? Funn Full On @CRC, £25 they come in in 750, 785 or 810mm (tempted myself there).
Bearing kit absolute Max £50, probably closer to £35
Fresh oil in the forks ~£10.
Reverb? Tell him to save that for the bike He'll inevitably buy when he comes back, rather than spangle a shiny new toy in the alps for negligible benefit...
Tyres? well he'll be wanting some whatever, call it another £50 - £90 depending on what he wants, probably robust 2.3" - 2.5" DH jobs
I'd say £350 for a realistic "pre-alps prep" and assuming you've got no spares he can use...
Add on any baggage costs and and any spare Pads/hangers/tyres/split links He'll want to take -Vs- Maybe trying out a couple of different rental bikes to see what he prefers...
Could be an ideal "extended Demo" opportunity then he can take his time scouring the classifieds when you get back rather than buying a bike he might not like, under time pressures and before he's had a chance to shift the old one...
Honestly if I'd wanted a discussion on 'fix your current bike' I'd have posted 'should my mate fix his current bike'I'll look round the other options.
Shouldn't have mentioned that he had a fixable bike, next time just say "My Mate needs a new bike..."
And never admit or imply that you can't operate basic hand tools on STW, you will be (Rightly) condemned as useless.... 😉
Eh? The OP's friend doesn't have a 2011 Enduro
No, but I'm comparing year-for-year.
Bikes improved between 2007 and 2011. From that point of view the 2011 Pitch is a bargain as it's a great platform and the last of that particular line, plus potentially better/more evolved than a 2007 Enduro.
It will also be significantly cheaper than the a 2011 Enduro, but only marginally less of a bike.
Why are you skewing years/an argument?
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Am I confudsing you dear?
PMJ - yep I got you. Others were a bit keen arguing on the extreme of the discussion. Or reading the actual posts. So - even tho I know it'll make no difference - I'll try and restate the basic scenario
!) it's not me. It's my mate
2) he has no access to tools/workstands/etc and lives in a small flat in London so not much room to work even if he did
3) The only way he can get his bike fixed it take it to the local shop. Or bring it to me and I can fix it, but that's proving a bit logistically tricky
4) He tried a new Endurp Expert and loved it (dropper post, wide bars, 1x10,etc) and wants that stuff on his next bike
5) He's decided not to spend 4k+ this year so has set a budget for a new bike close to what it would COST HIM (not the STW uber-mechanics) to fix his
6) He's been riding the same bike for seven/eight years and fancies a change.
7) there is no 7
8) Assume the title of this post is 'what can my mate have for £1100'
As I write this I know someone is now going to tell me how for 99pence he could rebuild his old bike through the use of hair oil and WW2 ration books 😉
Alex - Member
Honestly if I'd wanted a discussion on 'fix your current bike' I'd have posted 'should my mate fix his current bike'
I'll look round the other options.
Justifying buying it was based on the cost to fix though so people have just helpfully pointed out that your guess on cost to fix is (put bluntly) bobbins and that it's possible to fix for a lot less. If it's actually that your mate just fancies something new then cool but why bother with the justification.
what can my mate have for £1100
A really good tool kit, a bike maintenance course and a sense of self reliance, Then he might be able to fix his new bike when it arrives... 😉
STW uber-mechanics
Or slightly evolved primates with opposable thumbs...
I'll offer £50 for the Enduro... Seeing as it needs a Grand spending on it, Oh Heck, I'm feeling generous, I'll up it to £75 sounds like the poor lad has a lot of spending coming up...
As I write this I know someone is now going to tell me how for 99pence he could rebuild his old bike through the use of hair oil and WW2 ration books
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When I were a lad...
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How about this with a coil shock put on:
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/fs-18-orange-patriot-frame-with-air-shocks#post-6015918
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The problem is the amount he has to spend, see if he said I have ~£2500 for a new bike then fill your boots. However, to try and get something better than fixing his Spesh Enduro for the price he is prepared to spend, well it probably ain't going to happen.
again, get one of those marin quakes!
How about one of these. Buy it tomorrow in a special one-day only factory sale for £1066
or spent £200 more and get 170mm of travel
2) he has no access to tools/workstands/etc and lives in a small flat in London so not much room to work even if he did
3) The only way he can get his bike fixed it take it to the local shop. Or bring it to me and I can fix it, but that's proving a bit logistically tricky
Very unlikely to find a second hand bike that doesn't need a service and some parts replacing so these problems still apply.
Renting looks a really smart move and put the rest of the money in a fund towards buying something better.
You will get a nice secondhand AM bike for £1.1k if you take your time and be picky.
I'd look at the Pitch (buy well under budget and spend on upgrades), Spicy 2010-onwards, 2010-onwards Enduro, maybe Saracen Ariel with a big fork, Nukeproof Mega.
Don't go by the prices asked on PB, most are overpriced and people will take offers from serious buyers.
I wouldn't do up the old Enduro, just stick it on eBay and let it part-fund the new bike.
Freeborn have Enduro Evo for £1800? But there are a few on fleabay for £1200 ish - perfect for Alps
I would buy Canyon or Radon!!
A pitch with some nice 150mm+ coil forks would be lovely for the alps. I'm riding a 2007 pitch now, built 2 years ago out of bits in my mates garages for <£500 and it nails downhills beautifully. Built it up as a cheap "shed" for occasional freeride use but now it sees much more trail use than I expected too.
Newer AM rigs would be much better climbers, but that's not much of an issue if most climbing is done on a chairlift or a ski access road. But the geometry and suspension is fabulous when things get steep & gnarly.
If the guy has no tools or space then although there is a possibility that he would be able to fix his bike for less money it's obviously not going to happen. On a side note I would recommend that anyone who likes cycling would greatly benefit from owning the means and knowledge for competent bike fettling!
If I were your mate, I would save the 1000 and hire in the alps. He could even hire different bikes on different days to try them out.
He could then spend maybe two grand next year on a year - 18mnth old version of his fave from the alps.
This is a moot point if he is unwilling to spend over a grand on a bike which is not unreasonable at all. I only wish I hadn't lost all perspective with spending money on a hobby!
You do kinda make the assumption that he wont want to ride at all inbetween going to the alps this year and next.
Assuming he can get something in good order then there's no reason for it to come back any worse than it goes, just needing new pads and tyres in a week, anything else is unlucky. And IME hire companies charge for that kind of damage anyway, come back with a trashed wheel and it may as well have been your own, infact it's probably worse as it'll be at RRP and the mechanics labour charge, not CRC prices and DIY.
£70 a day hireing is £490 for the week. OK so there's no consumables (say £100 to include some contingency for breaking a mech/rim/rotor) and no transport costs (£70 return on easyjet). That's still over £300 down the drain before your break something.
Just get a Bullit, or a Pitch. The bullits almost bombproof and pivots are cheap, the pitch is one generation newer than your enduro, lighter and pedals better.
For the cost of hireing you could get a really cheep bullit/heckler and thow it in a skip on the last day.
Have a scout on ebay, I bought a 2007 Santa Cruz blur lt with fox forx new deore groupset and wheels for 950 last year, spent 80 on new bearings and got me a alps ready superbike for less than half the rrp
weve got a 2012 kona entourage in matt black,bought from crc in december for 1200,used twice only , its a small and fits the wife at 5'8 spot on ,
make an offer ! hint:looking for around £850! 😉
Ugh I'd have that black Bullit on page 1 if I had the money right now! Loved my old one..