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As usual a Jedi abusing it for self-aggrandisement.
That would be a Sith then Obvs.
This is now being discussed by Julia Hartley-Brewer on LBC 97.3. No doubt she will slag off cyclists.
http://www.lbc.co.uk/listen-live-3578
And strangley she is siding with the Police Officer.
"And why is the cyclist wearing a camera?"
"And why is the cyclist wearing a camera?"
Shame you can't point her at this:
Or this:
Ok, without going through the rights & wrongs of this driver's manoeuvre, I can shed some light on some Of the CP stuff & tell you this is not CP driving. Certainly, they're together but the liveried car is, if anything, merely a backup vehicle. If it were true CP work you wouldn't have noticed either vehicle unless someone has identified you (or someone nearby) as a threat.
As for the idea that he got between the cars whilst overtaking the bus... So what? A decent driver would deal with that in the time it took for the bikes presence to have registered in his brain. The root cause of this is the lead driver. Though this depends on the exact role of rear car, he should be driving for 2 cars and anticipating all hazards (including cyclists) ahead. I can't help wondering that the rear driver is getting a bit miffed at being left behind, when his role purely to give support to the lead.
Reference the OP
Another example of ‘our’ police force showing the contempt they have for the public who they serve as public servants; then complain when we comment on their unprofessionalism, double standards and/or incompetence.
The other thing that occurred to me whilst reading this thread is that taking away the fact that this is a Police car, if you commute regularly you realise that this this type of manoeuvre is pretty much a daily thing. In fact, I'd estimate that I get cut up at least 3-4 times each way on my daily commute to & from work. It's irritating but expected, and I ride defensively to deal with it. This ride clearly agrees, as otherwise he wouldn't be wearing the camera, would he?
Also, isn't it more accurate to label the thread cyclist V [b]a[/b] Police driver? to say [b]The[/b] Police just seems a bit inflammatory, though I suspect the OP knows how a good cop bashing thread goes down on STW.
Kona TC, wow... thanks, that's almost like we choreographed our above replies.
its bad enough that the police seem to be trying their best NOT to find our stolen bikes and the f k rs that steal them, now theyre actually anti cyclist !
If I was in the bus/bike lane, but had pulled out to avoid a bus and car, AND I was going to turn right in the near future, I would probably not pull back into the bus lane and then pull out again across the lane. I would stay to the left of the lane (where the rider is in the video).
The police car should not be in the bus lane. The driver has crossed an unbroken white line. Simple. He is making a point by cutting the cyclist up.
I found a police van, with police driver and mate, in the bike lane opposite the police station in Crouch End. I stopped to point out that he was parked in a bike lane. He tried to wind his window back up while I was still speaking to him (speaking mind you, not swearing or shouting, just speaking politely). I said don't wind your window up while I am speaking to you please. He stopped. He was insouciant, unrepentant and patronising. I told him he was parked illegally and he should be setting a good example to other drivers. He thanked me for my "concern". I had to move as cars were coming and I didn't want to obstruct traffic. Had I been able to stay I would have reminded him that I am a tax-payer, I pay his wages, so don't be so bloody rude!
As for the other videos, sadly, this is behaviour I encounter on a daily basis on my rides to and from work, and indeed, a helmet-mounted camera is top of the list of 'things to buy'.
and they wonder why we dont have a very high opinion of them
I'm a bit puzzled by the references to him crossing a solid white line. That just marks the bus lane. It's not the same as the solid white lines that are found in pairs (or parallel to a broken white line) separating opposing traffic, and tell you that you can't overtake (yes, I know there are a few exceptions to that). I know you sometimes get those prohibiting lane changes eg. Dartford tunnel, but what about all those bus lanes that you can drive in at certain times of day? Are we saying that you can only enter or leave those lanes at the start and finish, and never cross the solid line to get into or out of them? I don't think so.
I think crossing a white line is the least of this guys problems.
Using a 2.5 ton chelsea tractor to "make a point" is a bit more serious.
Imo, anyone who thinks that this is a good idea, isn't fit to hold a driving license.
Why is it always 'they' or 'the' police? We are all individuals, yes there will be individuals that are not as professional as they should be but isn't that the same with every job. Don't label me, as a police officer, as most on here seem to do until you have met me and spoken with me. I am not rude, I am professional and considerate. The vast majority of officers are the same, I don't come on here and insult fire fighters, members of the armed forces, doctors, nurses, factory workers, civil servants, people who work in supermarkets and so on so don't insult me, unless you have reason to. Thank you.
Brianblessed - Member
and they wonder why we dont have a very high opinion of them
Yeah - 'cos they're all like that..... 🙄 🙁
Just the other day, my OH did a 15hr shift due to a serious domestic incident, which she wanted to get dealt with, rather than just leave it to the next shift to take over on....she came home from work tired and pretty upset about what she had seen and had to deal with.
She deals with that kind of thing and worse most days & sees things that I would want to run away from (fast).
But yeah, they are all like that.
Thorpie +1 'police are this, police are that' is just lazy forumming...
Well said Stumpy01!
I don't understand why the cyclist was in the right hand lane, for such a long distance, when its quite clear that he was several hundred yards from the nearest junction, and there was a clearly signed bus and cycle lane to his left (see blue sign visible on the left, 20 seconds in to the video)
At the very least he was obstructive, and at worst guilty of careless cycling - knob!
Regards the copper driving in the bus lane and undertaking, When necessary police can drive in manners not allowed by the public, whether they have blues and two's on or not is irrelevant - I recall that the wording in the law is whether to obey the signal would obstruct whatever use that the police vehicle was being put to at that time. So, driving in a bus lane to undertake him, if the police officer felt it was necessary at the time, is perfectly legal - thats the law, get over it.
Regards the copper driving in the bus lane and undertaking, When necessary police can drive in manners not allowed by the public, whether they have blues and two's on or not is irrelevant - I recall that the wording in the law is whether to obey the signal would obstruct whatever use that the police vehicle was being put to at that time. So, driving in a bus lane to undertake him, if the police officer felt it was necessary at the time, is perfectly legal - thats the law, get over it.
There are elements of truth here, but non of it excuses the inconsiderate driving and the hiding of his ID that appear to happen in the video; this behaviour just gives the hand wringers and policephobes ammunition, and needs to be discouraged. Policing by consent?
I use that bit of road, no need to be in the right-hand lane that early to turn right.
particular copper still a prick though.
Must also say I detest the army of camera wearing cyclists in London... commuting is dull why film it.
At the very least he was obstructive, and at worst guilty of careless cycling - knob!
I'd be a knob too then. 😕 He's in that lane for a total of about 20 seconds before the bus land ends and the road splits. Count them. Why on earth would you pull back to the left only to have to fight your way back right after ten seconds.
I wouldn't do that in a car and I certainly wouldn't do it on a bike.
So, driving in a bus lane to undertake him, if the police officer felt it was necessary at the time, is perfectly legal
Fair enough - but does that leeway extend to sideswiping cyclists to "teach them a lesson" which seems to be what happens in the video? The cop is going straight on - he has absolutely no reason to re-enter the right lane, but does do to make a point.
Must also say I detest the army of camera wearing cyclists in London... commuting is dull why film it.
Did you watch the earlier videos? They film it as a witness, not because it is exciting.
Convictions have been made with such film, and lost without it.
There are elements of truth here, but non of it excuses the inconsiderate driving and the hiding of his ID that appear to happen in the video; this behaviour just gives the hand wringers and policephobes ammunition, and needs to be discouraged. Policing by consent?
He doesn't [i]have[/i] to have his id on show. This is a very common misconception; he also doesn't [i]have[/i] to give it when asked.
At the very least he was obstructive, and at worst guilty of careless cycling - knob!
Had he have decided to take the bus lane, he may well have been wiped out by the copper undertaking him (very closely and at speed). Which in itself underlines a plausible reason for not taking unnecessary risks by changing lanes, only to have to change back again (facing the same risks as the traffic tries to beat you to the lights) 4 or 5 seconds later. The guy's clearly not hanging about either (I'd estimate a good 20mph or so).
That is not unreasonable.
Regards the copper driving in the bus lane and undertaking, When necessary police can drive in manners not allowed by the public, whether they have blues and two's on or not is irrelevant - I recall that the wording in the law is whether to obey the signal would obstruct whatever use that the police vehicle was being put to at that time. So, driving in a bus lane to undertake him, if the police officer felt it was necessary at the time, is perfectly legal - that's the law, get over it.
The undertake has very little to do with it. I'm pretty sure no one has a problem with coppers bending the rules a bit (it's part and parcel of the job, isn't it).
It's the fact he put a cyclist in danger unnecessarily, seemingly for his own personal gratification (he could have easily, and safely, used the rest of the bus lane himself). And why? Because he held the same ignorant views as yourself that cyclists shouldn't be on the road. Or at the very least, should be riding in the gutter where they belong. Because a precious few seconds is more important than their safety.
Forgive me if I get annoyed, but you're on a cycling forum, and basically calling a lot of us knobs for trying to get from A to B on a bike in one piece.
Because he held the same ignorant views as yourself that cyclists shouldn't be on the road. Or at the very least, should be riding in the gutter where they belong.
I'll say it again - there is a full lane to the left that is roughly three metres wide specifically reserved and signed for the use of buses and cycles and that was completely unobstructed - that is [b]not[/b] riding in the gutter.
He was nowhere near the junction that he claims to have been planning to turn right at, (and funnily enough he seemingly chose not bother turning) - another poster above knows the road and feels that there was no need for him to be in that lane so far from the junction.
Go and have a look over at the police/motorist thread to see a rather good example of poor lane choice and obstructive driving by an arrogant lane hog of a driver - this cyclist was doing exactly the same!
there's defensive cycling and being a knob - riding in that lane when he did was the latter!
He was nowhere near the junction that he claims to have been planning to turn right at...
The entire stretch of road (from the last obstruction, where he absolutely has to be in the right hand lane because the left is blocked) I'd estimate to be about 15 seconds to the lights, and he's not travelling a great deal slower than the Range Rover up front.
I'm sure some days he would have taken the bus lane. I don't cycle the same way every day, it all depends on how confident I'm feeling, the vibe I'm getting, the traffic that's around me, etc. Looking at that road I'd be tempted by the bus lane, for sure. But I'd judge it on the day, and given that the copper undertakes 5 or 6 seconds into that stretch of road (and could have been there longer, you can't see on the camera), the cyclist barely had a chance to move anyway.
Simple fact is, it's a few seconds. It's neither here nor there. Doesn't matter what you would do, or I would do, there's so little in it, it's not even worth debating. In reality it's an inconvenience to no-one.
The copper is a bully. Which is not really acceptable in my eyes. It's not acceptable from the public, but for a man of the law it takes the piss.
He was nowhere near the junction that he claims to have been planning to turn right at, (and funnily enough he seemingly chose not bother turning)
He doesn't turn because he goes straight on to chase the cop instead - he says so in the video.
The copper is a bully. Which is not really acceptable in my eyes. It's not acceptable from the public, but for a man of the law it takes the piss.
+1. If another driver did that to me in front of a cop I'd want them to have a word with him, not congratulate him.
Go and have a look over at the police/motorist thread to see a rather good example of poor lane choice and obstructive driving by an arrogant lane hog of a driver - this cyclist was doing exactly the same!
Of course he was 🙄
For Z11 - here's a map showing the very earliest he could have entered the bus lane to the point he really needs to be in the right lane to make the right turn (arguably this is leaving it pretty late). Google maps reckons that's 308ft.
I don't understand why the cyclist was in the right hand lane, for such a long distance, when its quite clear that he was several hundred yards from the nearest junction
I don't think so! For good measure, here's the point the pleb overtakes him to the nearest junction, 256ft.
The copper is in the wrong and his arrogance isn't s surprise to me there are some good coppers out there but there are far too many wanna be hitlers with a chip on there shoulder
Range Rover vs cyclist, who's the pleb now?
So, anyone actually reported this to the police or just discussed it on this forum?
Range Rover vs cyclist, who's the pleb now?
😯
Yeah cos only children and the poor ride bicycles.
He should get a car.
😉
After incidents at several demonstrations last year, weren't the met police told off for covering up their numbers?
policeman persecutes cyclist ? they've moved on from motorists then..
HOUSE!!
I'd already got
Car driver did nowt wrong
Dodgy but cyclist's own fault for being there
Cyclists with cameras go looking for trouble
And
Par for the course, you can't really complain
Was just waiting for someone to attempt to shoehorn in a "war on the motorist" persecution complex for the full lot.
What do I win?
Oh yeah another depressing thread with anti cyclist connotations on a bike forum. Awesome!
PS
either self important macho bullshit of the highest order or another worrying facet to the already bleak "real life on the roads" story. A cyclist racing to slot themselves into a convoy would be silly* but if these RRs were together and their shit driving got them separated then shunting** other road users out of the way is not a viable strategy and should be dealt with seriously.big dog coming thru,
*someone mentioned occurrences of this earlier, this is not the case in the OP
**again not in the OP but there was suggestion that this sort of tactic is employed
That would be a Sith then Obvs.
A Shit Lord would've squished the poor blokes throat with little more than a remote finger squeeze. What we have here is a mischievous padowan out looking for siths and giggles...