[Closed] Fat front Cotic Soul

That looks almost 'right'.

Is there a waiting list on Jones's nowadays, or will you have it for winter? I'm a tad envious

That looks fun! Fork and wheel from Jeff?

What are those forks?

Be warned....half fat is about 20% of full fat IYKWIM.

Yup it's a jones wheel and fork, also got a loop bar to try out.

No idea what his waiting list is like, i'm pretty sure steel diamond and space frames are available relatively quickly.

I belevie epicyclo replied to a forum post with half fat is 30% of full fat goodness, i'm interested to see how this works out

If the Soul is a medium I'll have it if you decide you're a wrong 'un and get a Jones!

It's a large, i'm keeping it what ever happens, oh and it's with me in Australia, sorry!

If you decide against it I'll have the wheel for my diamond frame 😀

So...clink....the verdict?

Looks class, Whats it like with a 26" rear?

I'm runing my swift with a fat front and looking at one of those tyres.

Loving the diamond. Have not ridden it that much yet, but very comfortable - it feels a natural position if that doesn't sound like too much BS?! Climbing also good and not as heavy as I expected (for a chunky steel frame). Intrigued to try the fat front...
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Clink what height are you if you don't mind me asking? And from memory you have/had a 29er scandal, what size was that and how did it compare to the one size fits most jones size wise?

Nice choice on the blue, looks ace!

I'm 5'10" with 33"ish leg. I've still got an 18" ti On-one 29er. I'm happy on either; Jones is different position, particularly with H-bars, and shorter in tt. Both feel good, but different. I was worried about sizing on Jones but several conversations with Jeff sorted that. 23" ett Jones would definitely fit someone taller, but anyone shorter I reckon should go for Space frame to get the extra standover.

thanks for the info Clink,

Back from the first ride and I'm pretty impressed, I purposefully haven't worked out what the change did to the angles and how that would affect handling as I didn't want any pre-conceived ideas. I knew it was in the ballpark though. It handles very similarly to the 120mm suspension fork previously fitted.

On the whole it was confidence inspiring, and I felt like I was going much faster. A few years ago i considered having a 69er built based on the Soul's geometry, I think this is how it would have turned out.

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The Nates were also impressive, I don't expect the Larry to be any better though I have one to try some day.

Where you riding then?

The kalamunda circuit near to Perth, WA. Not very busy in the rain, the only other guy I saw was on a ragley so I guess he's a pom also!

This whole fat tyre thing - surely that massive tyre adds a heap of rolling resistance and given the sizer of it - is it really that much lighter than a decent suspension fork?

I'm happy to concede that it looks awesome, mind. Fatbikes in general make me think of the Fall Guy's pickup.

..nope, rolling resistance is not as bad as you imagine.
Be warned 1/2 fat is half way to full fat!
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The rolling resistance is obviously more, and increased rotating mass is never good, weight of this set up is almost certainly more than a suspension fork and normal wheel.

For a self confessed rubbish mountain bike rider the big advantage for me is how forgiving the tyre is, it just goes straight over anything in front of it and means the bike spends more time going in the direction I want.

These bikes must be murder to climb on then? Trying to spin all that heft up hill - what does a regular fatbike weigh?

(I sense I may be wasting my time trying to be logical about their appeal)

Full fatbikes are not the best thing to climb, thats for sure..I know I have one! weights range from 35-40 lbs average I would say & most of the extra mass is in the wheels & tyres.
If you have a good reason to own a fatbike, you soon forget about the wee bit extra weight for all the benefits the extra float & traction provide.

I'm waiting for my Nate(rear) & Big Fat Larry (front) to arrive from alaska for my winter setup.

I've clearly missed the point?

More rotating mass, not much travel, more actual mass and not much more grip given that the problem is usually what's under the tyre. Add to that the inherent instability from having such a huge tyre sidewall, the price and the ugly looks...

motorman - Member
Full fatbikes are not the best thing to climb, thats for sure..I know I have one! weights range from 35-40 lbs average I would say & most of the extra mass is in the wheels & tyres.
If you have a good reason to own a fatbike, you soon forget about the wee bit extra weight for all the benefits the extra float & traction provide.

I'm waiting for my Nate(rear) & Big Fat Larry (front) to arrive from alaska for my winter setup.

So is it fair to say that outside of riding on snow and beaches, they're not really of much use?

So is it fair to say that outside of riding on snow and beaches, they're not really of much use?

That don't mean there not fun though. 😆

Singlespeed_Shep - Member

That don't mean there not fun though.

I dunno - I see riding across a beach as the dullest possible form of cycling. At least on a road you get corners. Riding in the snow is fun, sure, but for the majority of the time, a really heavy hardtail that doesn't climb doesn't strike me as much fun at all.

At the risk of being flamed, whats the point? seriously?

Ah the 'Fat' stuff is back. Not sure about a half fat Soul though!?! Feels to me like a rugby player in trainers or more like a squash player in rugby boots.

If any owners of a full fat feel a fat bike is not much fun, please let me know as I am more than will to test and adjudicate on the view.

As for weight and rolling resistance. Currently one of my rides is a 29ner HT with 2.4 Ardents (run at 32psi) on, whilst a long way from full fat, it is amazingly forgiving and ploughs on regardless, all the time comfy and grippy. Other bikes for mucking about on but this is now the most used.

It is a case of right tool for the right job for offroad riding...

If I want to ride a trail centre I use my Ragley Bluepig

If I want to ride regular XC trails I use my Trek EX8

If I want to ride from my door I use a fatbike becauseI live right on the coast.
Most of the trails around be are really sandy, even in the forest singletrack. Owning a full fat means that I can ride where I have to push the other bikes. This also applies to really soft & boggy conditions

Out of all my bikes, the fatbike is the one I use most & have the most fun on, even if it takes a little bit more effort to get uphill.

The also make an awesome offroad touring bike!

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And you can take them up some really big hills!

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I dunno - I see riding across a beach as the dullest possible form of cycling. At least on a road you get corners Riding in the snow is fun, sure, but for the majority of the time, a really heavy hardtail that doesn't climb doesn't strike me as much fun at all.

Are all beaches straight lines?
They aren't designed to be a performance machine. but they are incredibly practical in ideal conditions.

Riding it in normal uk conditions will slow you down, put a smile on your face and make you look at a trail in a different way.

But i suppose each to their own. I love trying different style and bike and don't knock it till i've tried it. As long as it has two wheels and pedals i'll enjoy riding it.

whats the point? seriously?

You could say that about any bike.
What's the point in riding round the woods to get back to where you started from.

motorman - Member
It is a case of right tool for the right job for offroad riding...

If I want to ride a trail centre I use my Ragley Bluepig

If I want to ride regular XC trails I use my Trek EX8

If I want to ride from my door I use a fatbike becauseI live right on the coast.
Most of the trails around be are really sandy, even in the forest singletrack. Owning a full fat means that I can ride where I have to push the other bikes. This also applies to really soft & boggy conditions

Out of all my bikes, the fatbike is the one I use most & have the most fun on, even if it takes a little bit

That about rationalises it for me.

singlespeedstu - Member
You could say that about any bike.
What's the point in riding round the woods to get back to where you started from.

Im now asking the same question about your reply 🙄

thankfully motorman has enlightened me

Im now asking the same question about your reply

thankfully motorman has enlightened me

I think it might take more than a few words from someone you don't know to become "enlightened" 😆

You might become more "enlightened " by actualy you know "trying one" 😉

sadly stu, your wrong, sorry fella 8)

your wrong

What? You do know motorman then. 😆

Thinking of 1/2 fat 29 rear, fat front. But SS, what gear can I get away with. The Pugsley has 32 X 19 (or is it 18 I'll check...), mainly trails. I'm in Bristol so have hills to ride to get to the trails though..........