[Closed] Elter-WATER deluge pics

Photo of perfectly good bridge 10m downstream not shown...

Photo of perfectly good bridge 10m downstream not shown...

Where is the fun in that though? Also, it doubles as a handy bike wash if near the end of your ride!

Photo of perfectly good bridge 10m downstream not shown...

no, as I was sensibly standing on it instead of trying to ride the torrent 🙂 Note that Fizzer has now swallowed the club meme hook, line and sinker!

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Love Elterwater, walked there a fair bit, but never ridden 🙁

Dave

awaits the post [i]'my forks, bottom bracket and hubs seem to have seized up - why ? ' 😛

Oh. A complete strip down and re-lube required now.

Riding your bike in deep water was funny about 25 years ago.

SFB, why can I not access the boggies site using Firefox?

why can I not access the boggies site using Firefox?

it doesn't work with Javascript disabled ?

awaits the post 'my forks, bottom bracket and hubs seem to have seized up - why ?'

to which my answer would be "because they're not fit for purpose" :o)

Oh. A complete strip down and re-lube required now.

not in my experience, though it did trash my Rohoff.

Riding your bike in deep water was funny about 25 years ago.

for some of us who've not grown up yet it still is - fun to do, fun to watch :o) Mountain biking itself isn't sensible when there are roads going to most of the places one can get, but we still do it.

Mountain biking itself isn't sensible when there are roads going to most of the places one can get, but we still do it.

Some fantastic colours there Mr Barnes:

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I've not seen that ford in a rideable state ever.

depends on your definition - I've ridden it loads of times, stalled half way as often and fallen right in a few times :o)

Some fantastic colours there Mr Barnes:

thanks, but for some reason I often can't get them to come out right from that particular viewpoint, something to do with the amount of backlight perhaps. The original of that shot was gopping so I fiddled with the curves thing until it was slightly less nasty...

it doesn't work with Javascript disabled

Not working with IE either. Was working yesterday.

Those are very funny. 🙂

I actually couldn't do that, except possibly on the very hottest days. I freeze my bits off when I get wet. It'd be fun, but then I'd quickly go blue/grey and start shivering.

I fiddled with the curves thing until it was slightly less nasty...

Not working with IE either. Was working yesterday.

what does the browser actually say ? No site or some kind of error on the page ?

You big cheat

I believe in fidelity to what I saw, not to some arbitrary camera rendering 🙂

Server not found

Firefox can't find the server at www.bogtrotters.org.

* Check the address for typing errors such as
ww.example.com instead of
www.example.com

* If you are unable to load any pages, check your computer's network
connection.

* If your computer or network is protected by a firewall or proxy, make sure
that Firefox is permitted to access the Web.

I get the same sort of message using IE or Google Chrome. A search on Google will give me a cached page dated 22 Oct, but I was looking at it yesterday with no problems. Haven't knowingly changed any settings, and every other site is working fine, just boggies that' not co-operating.

just boggies that' not co-operating.

your IT dept/firewall has decided bogtrotters is unsuitable viewing 🙁

Funny that, I'm at home!!!

I did say firewall...
if you don't have one then eastern European spammers have decided to dedicate the bandwidth to other tasks 🙁

Todays throw away socity at work. Buy an expensive bike, ride it through rivers for a few months. Ignore all the impact of the oil and grease being washing away into the water. Throw bike away and buy the latest model, which will probably have 5mm extra suspension travel and therefore be that much better anyway.

Todays throw away socity at work

I have a 4 year old Merlin Malt III which I've been treating like this for 16 months with no apparent ill effects beyond reduced front hub bearing life. Given our climate a bike unable to resist getting wet would not be of merchantable quality IMO. I changed the £5.50 UN26 BB after 12 months when I realised the left crank arms were falling off due to poor forging - there was no perceptible wear on it. I've also had to replace the rear Hope Bulb hub bearings once

Ignore all the impact of the oil and grease being washing away into the water

given the volumes involved I think the fishes are safe...

Lunacy. Nice pics tho.

well, we were already about as wet as we could be :o) I was more worried about being washed away downstream - the current was vicious!

It's funny, on the website, someone called KB has commented the 1st pic up there: "Risking bike for the sake of a photie" - do people really think their bikes are so fragile a bit of water is going to harm them ?

Simon- you and I think alike. I love REALLY wet rides. And as for all you doubters, raisers of problems etc- just stay away, you do not need to partake in such harmless frivolity. And I really do think it is harmless too. Any oil that ends up in the watercourse will soon be fed upon by all manner of micro-organisms who will then in their turn be food further up the food chain.

Traildog- I assume that you regularly lube your bike to keep it in tip top condition. Have you ever considered where the previously applied lube might have gone to? It must have gone somewhere.

Ignore all the impact of the oil and grease being washing away into the water

so we shouldn't do this either?
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I actually thought we ride our bikes for fun. How silly of me. I also thought I was doing the environment a favour by taking the bike to work instead of the car whilst really I'm giving off more emissions than a Ukrainian power station.

And yes the current was vicious so that's probaly irresponsible as well.

All those people who never get thier bikes wet please email me for your next ride, love to join you in Utah.

I hate getting wet and today I've got a vicious headcold so I especially hate the thoughtof being cold and wet today but I can't understand the attitude of some people on this thread: if water is such a risk what about mud?! It's wet AND dirty and sticky! I'm not sure how their bike wheels can touch the ground without compromising the integrity of their King of Pop style oxygen tents.

^^ Quality Picture ^^

I have no problem with getting me or my bike wet but if i ended up submerged as above then i would be looking to regrease things as there is a difference from an engineering point of view from thing just getting splashed/showered in water and being completly submereged. The bits that would worry me the most would be headset/fork and rear sus as the wheels should be able to take it (and HTII bb seize up any way).
But it does look like fun and as you say if you can't get any wetter...

depends on your definition

if X+YxZ is = or > AxB-C then I just take the bridge 🙂
where
X=depth, Y=width, Z=rockyness quotient
A=% of how wet I already am, B=number of spectators, C=miles from car/home

I've got a vicious headcold so I especially hate the thoughtof being cold and wet today

you have my sympathy but of course you realise the things are unrelated ? I suspect warm stuffy conditions are far more conducive to colds than the outdoors.

With a bike that colour, that's got to be Lorne diving into the water?

As a sufferer of Raynaud's disease I avoid getting wet feet in the winter like the plague. Rather than suffer the numbness & pain I head for the nearest bridge. When it's really cold my fingers struggle to pull on the brakes properly.

However, I can see the fun of river crossings in summer, and have fallen in a few times.

With a bike that colour, that's got to be Lorne diving into the water?

yes indeedy 🙂

[b]pennine[/b] demonstrates how to keep one's feet dry:
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is October "summer" ??

I suspect warm stuffy conditions are far more conducive to colds than the outdoors.

You're undoubtedly right but the double dose of self-pity that accompanies colds can skew rationality 😉

LOL. How time flies - 4 years ago tomorrow.

Just had a shufty through the pics... what the hell have they done to the Baysbrown Bridleway ?

what the hell have they done to the Baysbrown Bridleway ?

evil, stupid things 🙁
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hopefully it'll wash away quite soon and be restored to this:
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As a fell walker/climber of 40 years I do detest these flattened stone paths. Every stride is the same numbing foot placement. Give me rough ground anytime. I suppose they get the funding by opening up the trails to everyone. Trouble is it speeds up the mtbers and then they complain of speeding bikes 🙁

a successful Rohloff-safe crossing at Little Langdale:
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Simon I was just about to pull out of this saturday's ride after reading the comments above, as surely my forks, drivetrain, bottom bracket, headset, pivots, hubs and rear shock were going to be a seized up rusty mess, but to my amazement, upon checking, everything is absolutely fine & silky smooth........

Definitely will end any HTII BB, I guarantee it, unless you strip and re-lube. I find hubs generally are fine with such bathing (except non-cartridge ones). My Sus bearings seem to seize (When you take them off they're seized all but a tiny arc) but feel silky when on the frame.

I love river crossings, they are great fun. Ignore the miserable sod saying it's not funny.

Definitely will end any HTII BB

I've always thought they were unfit for purpose, which is why I'm still on cheapo UN26 sq. taper :o)

Simon I was just about to pull out of this saturday's ride after reading the comments above

well, not to force your hand, but Fay is giving me a lift and the new girl Elsa may be there too :o) Also Mags and her French friend...

everything is absolutely fine & silky smooth........

that's strange considering the normal shonky state of your bike after your rock-mediated "maintenance" program!

Some great pics there sfb - reminds me of just how wet the UK can get! (Im in California) next time Im home I might give you boggies a looksee & come ride but I think Im gonna have to dig out my wet weather gear..Thats if the mice havent eaten it all while Ive been away..

Si - oops - I'd forgotten that Id already agreed to lend my other bike to Mag's french friend. (another bike still oing strong after 4 years and 000's of river crossings by the way!) So I will be out on saturday afterall.

That is, if I can live with the guilt of mixing 5ml's of finish line lube in with hundreds of thousands of litres of water...... Those poor fish! (Ive checked the Environment Agency's website and there was no mention of any pollution incidents in on that watercourse so I think we have got away with it this time)

SFB how dare you post another picture of me riding my soon to seize up bike in the wet 🙄

just buy a bike that floats and does hold the wieght of a (14stone) human 🙂
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and as long as the frames proofed and with a proper bit of prep (all sealed bearings packed with graphite grease) then theres no worries about anything seizing,

Definitely will end any HTII BB, I guarantee it,

not true at all ,yeah true if you buy them and stick them straight on your bike without repacking them with a waterproof grease like wurths graphite grease-which if all the grease is washed out then the graphite continues to lube the bearings,alaskan mining equipment has used it for years..,and good old copper grease on regular threaded bolts and control cables will stop anything gumming up,alaskan riders ride through 6 months of wet cold water and have proved sealed bearings repacked will last a few years (10,000+ miles out phil wood BBs)
god i thought mountainbikers were hardy all weather types?,up for adventure and exploration? 😉

 

Reminds me of the ultra-wet Borrowdale Bash we did in August. Was one of my highlights of the year:

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Buggering your kit up only matters if it's expensive. Bearings should be seen as cheap disposable items anyway!

As rider/submariner of the previously pictured pinkbred I can say that after numerous submersions on that ride and many subsequent river crossing and wet rides the bike still rides as it has always done, I have replaced nothing, fettled nothing or applied any lubricants since that picture was taken.

I have just packed that bike today for its return to the UK, it is in fine form and I look forward to thrashing it round the lakes in the near future

Regards

Plum

fettled nothing or applied any lubricants since that picture was taken

um, you lent it to me Lorne and I will have lubed the chain. Sorry.

Great pics SFB! I can't believe all the nay-sayers on this thread. According to you lot my bike would needs a complete strip down and rebuild 2-3 times a week in winter! As for HTII dying after riding through a ford - balls. They are rubbish in comparison to good old square taper - which I've reverted to, but they can take a little more than that. 😆

Loving that 1st pic el_boufador, We've all had them days. 😆

[b]el_boufador[/b], I can't place the torrent in the 2nd photo ?

el_boufador, I can't place the torrent in the 2nd photo ?

Wish I wasn't banned from the site. I think I'd like to have a look at those piccies.

Looks like the Stonethwaite beck where Langsrath beck flows into it.

I'd assumed it was ashness bridge

definitely not!
Might be Stonethwaite...

Simon its looking down stonethwaite beck from greenup gill. we've been going up there and camping at the NT campsite for years and that's the highest the becks ever been, rosthwaite decent was interesting it this weather so much so we did it twice 😆
first pics the surprise view......................the surprise there wasn't one

Wish I wasn't banned from the site.

perhaps I should do a mail order service ? I'll raise the matter with the hosting company again, but if, as you say, tracert doesn't work, your ISP must be seriously broken 🙁

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Definately is.... looks like this with less water

...So thats why its called the Lake District! This part should be renamed Hell To Water?

anc, you should have seen the gully and water fall a little further down to wards the campsite proper BIG WATER. looks like your picture was taken pretty much exactly where we got ours

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Borrowdale certainly has has some big rain in recent years. Remember end of last October, that rain was biblical....OMM rescue fiasco. Never seen anything like that in the 36 years I've lived there! The valley turned into lake and flattened drystome walls all over the place!!

Proper Rain!!

[i]Remember end of last October, that rain was biblical....OMM rescue fiasco.[/i]

I was up there that weekend, rode my CX around Grizedale, it was ACE! Never been so wet but it was just hilarious riding past stranded cars with the water up to my calves. I love watching raging torrents like that, could sit there for hours just marvelling at the power of nature.

Whoohoo. I can't get on the boggies site either. Wotsup?

Simon.
Enjoyed the pics and was curious as to each shots relevant tags posted along with the image. All images were taken with a D300 and post a gps image with location pointer. Does the D300 come with GPS file allocation or have you used some other method for tagging images? Well done.

. Does the D300 come with GPS file allocation or have you used some other method for tagging images?

You can buy a GPS doofer for it, but I just have a cheapo Garmin Edge 205 and use a program called [url= http://code.google.com/p/gpicsync/ ]Gpicsync (free)[/url] to correlate the GPS times/locations with the times attached to the photos and insert the GPS EXIF tags into the shots. Works fine so long as the time set on the camera is correct & you don't wander too far away from the bike/gps 🙂

I can't believe how many cry-babies there are out there (well I can actually; after all, this is STW). Do you think that riding through a river is going to do any more damage than riding when it's muddy and crap, or do you just not ride when the weather's bad, or do you just ride at trail centres? (Or a combination of all three)?

I was out in the same area on the same day (we passed the Boggies - I think - as they were setting off) and every trail out there was wet; obviously not as deep as the river but there was still a hell of a lot of water splashing up constantly. Plus, as we headed out from Ambleside and finished with the obligatory Loughrigg Terrace, you end up riding through the lake as that's where the bridleway goes. Only puffs climb over the rocks rather than go through the lake.

Oh, and we were also out on the same day as the fell runners got rescued from Borrowdale last year; we did the Walna Scar loop. The whole trail on Walna, top to bottom, was a deep and fast moving torrent. The cheeky footpath we did at the end (reasoned that there was no chance of meeting any walkers on a day like that) was just ridiculous. It was the maddest and most fun ride I did all year.

Only puffs climb over the rocks rather than go through the lake.

Stopadoodledoo - Well said. Anyway, im off to buy a new bike as last weeks got wet and will no doubt be ruined. This throw-away society is great!

Were you part of one of the two groups we met coming past the farm at the same time?

If you guys were parked at the bottom of the hill in Elterwater, we were the group of four who came down the muddy banking and then past on the road - 2 green Patriots, 1 blue Five and 1 brown SX (easier to describe bikes than anything else - I remember bikes much better than faces)

Yeah, that was me riding up the road as you came down, so I could ride down the steep muddy bank, waiting for the others to finish faffing 🙂

I was already soaked through at that point, so couldnt get any wetter as the day progressed.

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