[Closed] Down at the bottom of an oldforgotten bridleway I find this!

There are some at the end of paths I've been down many times that I just happen to have not noticed 😉

Though if that's an official bridleway, I'm not sure he can do that.

Land owners try all sorts. There's a walking path near where I live that I walk down and they built some new houses there and keep trying to block off and hide the public footpath, but everyone is trampling through. If walkers are adamant about their rights of way, then so should cyclists be. It's bad enough we're told to keep off everything else, we shouldn't be denied the stupid horse tracks we're told are the only places we're allowed to ride as well.

Unfortunately the sign isn't in compliance with the UK Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions (2002) [url= ]linky[/url]. It's your duty as a fine and upstanding cyclist to ignore such illegal signs, mmkay 😉

If it is genuinely on a bridleway then this needs reporting to the local authority. Also worth a word with local CTC right to ride or access rep. It may be a misunderstanding by the land owner or more likely an attempt to get access rules changed / prevent legitimate access.

Or rip it down and proceed looking as innocent as possible 🙂

Take it down anyway but keep the posts for the logburner.

Make up some Cycling Permitted signs and stick them on top, but remember to right something witty on the original for when he peels your sign back off.

it's an offence to put signage up that tries to discourage lawful access to PROW

report to local highways authority

I think I might go back and nick it for my cycle shed.

schnor - Member

Unfortunately the sign isn't in compliance with the UK Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions (2002) linky. It's your duty as a fine and upstanding cyclist to [s]ignore[/s] report it to the RoW officer, such illegal signs, mmkay

Take it down and make it into a kicker.

......now if you really want to get the landowner into a really wound up state if/when you bump into them tell them not only do you know its a bridleway but you'll be writing to the local authority to remind them of their legal obligation to correctly signpost it where it crosses roads ....of course they'll do what they always do which is knock the signs down again but the tantrum is entertaining

cnultycop - Member
Take it down and make it into a kicker

Do this

Take it down and make it into a kicker.

Best idea yet!

Group ride you say?

With dogs running free?

Seriously, if it's a bridleway, report it.

Best nip this kind of nonsense in the bud and remind the landowner of the facts of his life.

keeping dogs on lead is a good idea though - fed up having dogs coming up to my marley barking and then have the owners shout at me when he retalites.

Sick of walkers with dogs off leads. On monday I watched a walkers dog attack two lambs on Whinstone Lee Tor. He was shouting at it. Eventually it cameback (he didn't put it on a lead and it ran through the next gap in the wall again).

I watched this from a distance. As he closed to me he quickly popped his dog onto a lead.

On cheeky before two dogs ran off after sheep.

So if I ever see a walker give me grief I'll say 'when you lot KEEP your dogs on leads then you can lecture me'.

I ride bikes off road and allow my dog to go off the lead in open countryside, what an absolute monster.

A dog off the lead has as much right as anyone else to use the land, although obviously not if that land contains livestock.

If only people could actually coexist in harmony in these mixed use environments then it wouldn't be such a bloody stress for people to do what they supposedly enjoy doing.

I don't mind dogs off the lead is they;re well trained and will stay close to the owner and come to heel when called.

I've yet to see one though, most dog owners just undo the leash and watch in vain as the dogs runs around

So if I ever see a walker give me grief I'll say 'when you lot KEEP your dogs on leads then you can lecture me'.

Yeah, cos all walkers are the same and can be treated as a collective entity, just like when "you lot" refers to cyclists...

I know but I don't want those 'ooo hes never done that before' moments.

Dogs are animals, they don't think logic, common sense etc when primeval instinct kicks in.

Yeah, cos all walkers are the same and can be treated as a collective entity, just like when "you lot" refers to cyclists...

Funnily cyclists are lumped together.

So if I ever see a walker give me grief I'll say 'when [b]you lot[/b] KEEP your dogs on leads then you can lecture me'.

Not helpful.

You sound like a motorist telling me that he's allowed to run me down because [b]my lot[/b] all run red lights. 🙁

(Edit: beaten to the point by edlong)

Everytime I stop for a redlight the three or four others that I overtook previously all sail round me through the redlight.

A dog off the lead has as much right as anyone else to use the land

No it doesn't, in fact it has no 'right' at all, in law. Owners of all animals have a duty of care to ensure they are treated humanely, that's about it. And all dogs must be under control in any public or uneneclosed space, at all times.

I have no problem with dogs being kept on leads at all times. If you want it to run free, then let it do so on your own securely enclosed land. Or simply just don't own a dog, if these simple rules are beyond you.

+1

So if I ever see a walker give me grief I'll say 'when you lot KEEP your dogs on leads then you can lecture me'.

Watch dogs attack sheep. It hardens your viewpoint.

If you'd seen cyclists ride fast and close past you, your viewpoint would harden.

I'm not a typical STW'er. Said this a few times, I can hold a conversation/interact with strangers away from online life. 😉

I have no problem with dogs being kept on leads at all times.

Bit cruel really though isn't it?

What was the point again?

I can hold a conversation/interact with strangers away from online life.

I just mumble and wet myself in the real world 🙄
Perhpas you should be a life coach..... I assume folk would be desperate to hear your pearls of wisdom on life and the universe 😛

Everytime I stop for a redlight the three or four others that I overtook previously all sail round me through the redlight.

You overtaking people HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA

A dog doesn't need to be kept on a lead at all times to be well-controlled.

The fact that some muppets can't train or control their dogs appropriately doesn't mean that all dogs should suffer.

Bit cruel really though isn't it?

Thn don't own a dog, if you're that sensitive.

A dog doesn't need to be kept on a lead at all times to be well-controlled.

Very few, in my experience. Most, even placid non-violent dogs will invariably wander out in front of bikes. And many owners are idiots, sadly.

Said this a few times, I can hold a conversation/interact with strangers away from online life.

I used to live on a sheep farm and I remember a farmer [ different place obv] asking me to put my dog on a lead she was sat heel within hand touching distance of me just sat there looking at us both whilst his ran around barking

I ignored him.....the rules are under control FWIW
this will depend on the dog and the owner...imagine that nuance eh.

FWIW every sheep dog I have seen will bite sheep if they do not move when they run at them.

Reminds me of a chat I had with a lady scooterist in the lift at work.

She obeys the traffic laws, except for the one about not using the ASL. She says she has cylists have a go at her occasionally. She has the line ready "I'll stop using the box when you lot stop running red lights"

It was one of those moments when you search the other person's eyes for a hint, a twinkle of intentional irony or playful sarcasm. And find none.

hora - Member

Everytime I stop for a redlight the three or four others that I overtook previously all sail round me through the redlight.

Simultaneously proving that all cyclists jump red lights, and no cyclists jump red lights. Hora's Paradox.

Most, even placid non-violent dogs will invariably wander out in front of bikes.

That's hardly "uncontrolled" is it? Bit of difference between wandering about a bit and tearing up a lamb!

If you're having problems stopping for dogs on the trail then [i]you[/i] are the one lacking in control. Do you expect other animals to be kept on leads too? Rabbits? Deer? Children?

She has the line ready "I'll stop using the box when you lot stop running red lights"

Perhaps you should point out that by entering the box on a red or amber light she is breaking [i]precisely the same law[/i] as a cyclist running the light.

I'm not a typical STW'er. Said this a few times, I can hold a conversation/interact with strangers away from online life.

I like the idea of entering a ladies box
Oh wrong topic.

🙄

That's hardly "uncontrolled" is it?

Yes it is actually.

If you're having problems stopping for dogs on the trail then you are the one lacking in control.

Excuse me? I'm the one with the legal right to be there. I sholdn't have to risk my safety because some dog suddenly crosses my path, the thing should legally be 'under control'. And if the owner can't guarantee that, then it should be on a lead. I always prepare to slow down if I see dogs, but they are unpredictable beasts which don't always listen to or understand orders.

Do you expect other animals to be kept on leads too? Rabbits? Deer? Children?

Neither rabbits notr deer have ever caused me any problems. And children have the legal right to be there, and invariably, right of way, so it's a useless comparison.

Do you own a dog/s? Do you have a problem with keeping it under control at al times?

Excuse me? I'm the one with the legal right to be there.

Well done you.

Do you own a dog/s?

Not at the moment, but I have in the past.

Do you have a problem with keeping it under control at al times?

Nope. But I don't think "under control" means keeping them on a lead.

e.g. here's a dog worrying livestock, it's not on a lead and the owner is just standing there shouting at it. Do you want to tell him to put a lead on it?

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I think we're arguing the same sides of the coin here. A dog doesn't *have* to be on a leash to be under control, but the vast majority of dogs that I encounter on my canal towpath commute are neither on a leash nor under control

But I don't think "under control" means keeping them on a lead.

It doesn't matter what you think though. What matters is the legal requirment of alldog owners to ensure their dogs are kept under control at all times. In my experience, very few dogs can be reliably kept under control without a lead. And in situations where cyclists may also be using a path, then it's the owner's responsiblity to ensure it doesn't cause harm or damage to anyone or theor property. What's the problem with being law-abiding and respecting others?

Do you expect other animals to be kept on leads too? Rabbits? Deer? Children?

Just make sure you have the holy handgrenade of Antioch if you suspect any rabbits are close by.