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I have kept my dog under control in the past whilst he's been riding with me, he's never caused an accident and only had one near-ish miss with me when i was training him to be a trail hound.
He has since "retired" from trips to trail centres unless he goes with the wife who rides at a slower pace than me and he comes to her heel fine.
I'm not saying all dogs should be allowed anywhere, jeez my brother-in-laws dog is a liability and i wouldn't allow it off the lead anywhere outside of his house.
The people whinging on here sound exactly like the ramblers from a thread on here last week about MTBers not slowing down. Bloody NIMBYS.
And yes I do know that your a sweaty, TJ, and don't have the same issue's with access on trails as we do in England.
flatfish - the point is you equate person with dog in your post and its not comparable.
All this talk about dogs is making me hungry! 😯
Hot dog with ketchup hmmmmm!
I can tell the difference between a dog, child or adult, i'm not that much of a dullard but do you think a farmer would not try to claim against you for a sheep you maimed whilst not in control of your speed?
If you expect the unexpected you shouldn't have any issue's is what i was trying to point out.
Theres no law saying I can't so why shouldn't I? The trail centre doesn't belong to you, as it doesn't belong to me, so until i'm told otherwise i can take a dog.If you were to hit a dog, that would prove(to me at least) that you weren't in full control of your bike and maybe you should be having some lessons on bike riding. I'm sure Jedi would be happy to help or even Ed Oxley of this parish.
I disagree with you slightly. In Scotland we have the Land Reform Act. Many of the points have been uncontested, however the wording is that a 'dog must be under proper control' 'do not allow your dog to run onto sports fields, recreation areas etc when in use' . So if a trail centre is considered a sport field or recreation area, the dog owner should have his animal under full control and preventing it causing injury or inconvienance to others.
I've had dogs run out on me when I've been riding my bike (both Motorbike, road and mountainbike) and it's a totally different hazard than trail features or other people due to the unpredictability and speed of dogs. I've owned a few dogs and don't mind them, but if it came to the crunch and I was faced with the split second decision of me or someones 'over friendly' pet taking the war mementoes, I apologise in advance.
If you expect the unexpected you shouldn't have any issue's is what i was trying to point out.
I'll keep a look out for randomly falling meteors then "just in case"
It's simple really.
BIKE trail
Not bike and any old pet trail.
Dog owners get over it - you don't rule the universe - and no we don't have to be considerate or expect the unexpected. We are there to ride.
Bit of reality folks. When you ride on bike only trails - we don't expect to see a labradoodle in the middle of trail waiting for it's gormless owner.
cubed - where do you have a bike only trail? NOne in Scotland.
teh key issue is the dogs being under proper control. if they are its no issue
Cannock chase - is clearly signed - dedicated bike trail/ shared trail.
The key issue is dogs not being where they shouldn't be.
Dogs on trails are a no no,they are a pain in the a55.Trouble is most people who ride with their mutt's are too lazy to take them out for a good long walk.
Oh & BTW I am a dog owner & go for a run with my mutt 3 times a week,as well as walking him twice a day....
I have not got the time for a 10 mile walk 4 times a week.I go out on the bike in my local woods the dogs get a good long run and I get to go biking .Brownie points from the other half for wearing the dog out and cycling at the same time!
flatfish - Member
If you expect the unexpected you shouldn't have any issue's is what i was trying to point out.
Such as...expect dogs to run out at you?
How convenient 🙄
Expect the unexepected - from a pink panther movie - says it all.
So if a trail centre is considered a sport field or recreation area, the dog owner should have his animal under full control and preventing it causing injury or inconvienance to others.
Not trying to wind it up more but trail centres are generally, in my experience, in "working forests" so i'm not sure that counts, but i stand to be corrected.
Dog owners get over it - you don't rule the universe - and no we don't have to be considerate or expect the unexpected. We are there to ride.
read it back to yourself, out loud, and see if you sound like a selfish brat.
Flatfish - the point is irrelevant - it is your responsibility to keep the dog under control at all times
So keep it under control - no problem. Failing to keep it under control accept the consequences
TJ ok, i think you're being pedantic here, but I understand what you mean. However if you're at a trail centre (north or south of the border, or even west) you would assume (rightly or wrongly) that the trails are dedicated to bikes, and therefore would not expect to meet anything but bikes or walking wounded.
Regardless, we are both on the same page about dogs on trails.
I simply dont get why a minority of dog owners think its acceptable to have their dog on a bike trail.
I KNOW you think your dog is fine, BUT I DONT KNOW YOUR DOG!!!
I wouldnt go hooning around an equestrian centre and then complain about horses being on the paths. FFS get ome perspective.
Flatfish - i'm actually not a brat or selfish. Keep the make it personal vibe to yourself please.
bigyinn -0 the point you miss is that a properly trained dog will not get in your way therefore it is a non issues.
Teh issue is the level of training of the dog not an absolute dogs or not.
No personal attack there, just asking you to read something back to see how it sounds.
flatfish - Memberread it back to yourself, out loud, and see if you sound like a selfish brat.
Oh teh ironing!
Whats ironing got to do with dogs?
I'm assuming your saying i'm selfish to want to share a trail?
How is sharing something selfish?
The issue is the status of the dedication of a trail.
Shared trail - shared use
Dedicated bike trail - bike use
Unmarked trail - free for all
Anyway - my cat rules the universe flatfish.
Remenber we are all allowed an opinion without name calling. Doesn't mean any of us are right. Except my cat as emperor of the universe.
The issue is the status of the dedication of a trail.
Shared trail - shared use
Dedicated bike trail - bike use
Unmarked trail - free for all
Anyway - my cat rules the universe flatfish.
Remenber we are all allowed an opinion without name calling. Doesn't mean any of us are right. Except my cat as emperor of the universe.
Flatfish, you want to share [u]someone else's[/u] trail.
clicky linky about trails in cwm carn and check out the r/h/s.
An organized ride using the mtb trails and dogs are allowed. Who'd of thunk it?
Surely trail centres are in forests that have lots of other users. Most try to actively encourage walkists, horseists etc as well as cyclists.
Does it really make a difference if you come flying round a blind corner and take out my dog, my 7year old, an ageing rambler or slow old me. I would have a fair bet that the rider would be found liable for damages/compensation.
not if its a dog unless you can prove that the dog was under proper control
uphillcursing - Member
Surely trail centres are in forests that have lots of other users. Most try to actively encourage walkists, horseists etc as well as cyclists.
...by having separate trails for each set of users 😕
And proper control is? on the lead? immaculate heel work?
How is that defined?
Either on a lead or at heel or dropping or coming to call 100% of the time
It can be done - I have see dogs this well trained
I think we should get like Korea... What food shortages! 😀
Cynic-al
Fairly sure a lot of trail centres have "shared trail" sections marked on their maps.
I (and the rider I was chasing) encountered an old chap with his dog on the cyclocross course I was racing yesterday. The guy didn't even look round when I shouted "riders". He was about 20ft away from the big start/finish gantry with loudhailers, crowds of people as well, so it was pretty obvious he was walking on the course. Muppet.
The issue is the status of the dedication of a trail.Shared trail - shared use
Dedicated bike trail - bike use
Unmarked trail - free for all
Sorry chap, don't think there's any such thing in the vast majority of FC managed forests. From personal experience FC will restrict the access of horses (and bikes) in certain areas but access on foot (and by association, the dog as well) is rarely if ever prohibited.
I've had this discussion with bike rangers, recreation rangers and beat foresters in the woods where we've built trails. There may be the odd exception, but it's that and not the rule.
Anyway, like I said before; share and share alike, easy come, easy go, always look on the bright side of life etc etc 😎
This summer I was going down a fire road with two horses up ahead going the same way as me, so I slowed right up. As I got to the first one the rider said . 'Can you go really slowly past the horse ahead: It's scared of bikes'. So I slow down to a crawl to get past horse #2. As I creep past (having coughed & sniffed loudly to let it know I was there), the horse goes ballistic & nearly throws the rider. So she was right. The horse [i]was[/i] petrified of bikes, but I really couldn't have gone by it any more carefully: The moral of the story?
Although you may be completely entitled to be there, if your horse is scared of bikes maybe Glentress is not the best place to bring it.
As with all these things a bit of commonsense is needed on all sides.
FC land is working land but where the trails are clearly marked there is normally a designation of shared/ bike etc. Doesn't always apply. But where i mostly ride at Cannock they go to great effort to make it clear.
I'm sure everyones dogs are well trained. But i won't be paying any vets bills when your animal gets caught in my wheel or if i land on top of it.
Sometimes - all i want to do is whip round sections in total burnout mode and not have to worry about the pooch in front of me that i spotted on my way round.
Is it a responsible owner that puts their pet in that position??
Cubed, can you not agree to share something like a bit of trail?
You say
all i want to do is whip round sections in total burnout mode and not have to worry about the pooch in front of me that i spotted on my way round.Is it a responsible owner that puts their pet in that position??
If you've spotted the "pooch" theres going to be no issue's as you can slow down to avoid it.
Cubed, can you not agree to share something like a bit of trail?
You sayall i want to do is whip round sections in total burnout mode and not have to worry about the pooch in front of me that i spotted on my way round.
Is it a responsible owner that puts their pet in that position??
If you've spotted the "pooch" theres going to be no issue's as you can slow down to avoid it.
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I would say you are talking mince, why should a rider have to slow down for a dog that shouldn't be on the trail in the first place! You are one of these people likely to become responsible for someones injury or broken bike! Foot paths are there for a reason as are parks, trail centres were intended for cyclists!
I would also point out that most have public toilets and there for I feel no need to have a wee on the trail or expose myself in public, perhaps you do, possibly because you spend too much time biking wiht your dog instead of people!
I would imagine that you dog doesn't use the public toilet intended for use by the cyclists using the trail centres and does however piss and shit all over the trail, I very much doubt when this happens you get the old poop scoop out your camelbak either!
Should i be unlucky enought to ride into a dogs shit I would serioulsy make the owner clean it off!
Point made?????
Cubed, can you not agree to share something like a bit of trail?
You sayall i want to do is whip round sections in total burnout mode and not have to worry about the pooch in front of me that i spotted on my way round.
Is it a responsible owner that puts their pet in that position??
If you've spotted the "pooch" theres going to be no issue's as you can slow down to avoid it.
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I would say you are talking mince, why should a rider have to slow down for a dog that shouldn't be on the trail in the first place! You are one of these people likely to become responsible for someones injury or broken bike! Foot paths are there for a reason as are parks, trail centres were intended for cyclists!
I would also point out that most have public toilets and there for I feel no need to have a wee on the trail or expose myself in public, perhaps you do, possibly because you spend too much time biking wiht your dog instead of people!
I would imagine that you dog doesn't use the public toilet intended for use by the cyclists using the trail centres and does however piss and shit all over the trail, I very much doubt when this happens you get the old poop scoop out your camelbak either!
Should i be unlucky enought to ride into a dogs shit I would serioulsy make the owner clean it off!
Point made?????
Point made?????
you really are a grumpy little muffin aren't you? Have you considered some breathing exercises or maybe some relaxation techniques to help you put life into perspective a wee bit. 😀
btw just to clarify I am not stating that people should not take their dogs on shared rights of way - only trail centres i.e glentress where they ahve seperate paths for walkers and if they want their dogs, bikes are seperate and dangerous for not only dogs but also riders and also make the person bringing their dog onto the trail look like a total kno3 end!
get you and your agressiveness. 😯
Is it me or is mimi123 like a dog with a bone, if so does that mean he should stay off the trails himself! 😆
lmao 😆