[Closed] discrimination against groups

Get back in your box and stop whining. You can still ride it, just be courteous to others

You are a member of CTC, BC and your local MTB organisation? If not get used to being in a minority user group with no voice.

You can ride. Just down before a certain time?

I've been up Snowdon many times. Sometimes on my bike, other times walking and the voluntary ban is fine by me - it's not the safest ride when there's walkers everywhere and doesn't make for a peaceful walk with riders ragging down.

If you're complaining about the general mistreatment of cyclists on the roads and in the media, then you have my full support however...

Genius offer some crumbs

And at what times/dates are walkers restricted?

And how exactly can an order to forbid all cyclists be voluntary?

And if it was voluntary then surely I. and all my biking friends, would have been asked to voluntarily give up the right to legal access.

To call it voluntary restrictions is absolute bollocks, it's a ban, pure and simple - your type are not wanted.

It's not discrimination. It's a fairly sensible way to share a limited resource. Treat it more as guidance as to when you'll have the most enjoyable ride.

Judging from riding up and down the Llanberis path mid week in March I'd certainly not want to ride it during the banned times anyway as there'd be far to many people getting in the way to carry enough speed on the descent to make it enjoyable.

Meanwhile public trespass gets wooly sock wearers.....well pretty much anything that feel like

I'm not saying it's not necessary, just don't try to sugarcoat shit - if you are going to ban a user group then at least be honest.

Or perhaps, in the spirit of fairness, walkers have a voluntary ban say one day per fortnight, so that bikers can enjoy the mountains.

Isn't this just something that has always just 'worked'?

I.e. If it ain't broke and all that...........?

no one else will say it.
shit stirrer

Isn't this just something that has always just 'worked'?

I.e. If it ain't broke and all that...........?

According to the front page it's not working because some mountainbikers aren't aware that they have volunteered to not use the mountain at certain times.

I presume this is the up and down before 9 (or is it 10) or after 6 request?
Makes sense to me. Snowdon get pretty busy during the good weather and Id rather not have a nice decent ruined by having to slow down for hoardes of walkers, nor do I wish to plough into them! Its because of ****s doing exactly that that have the voluntary ban put in place to start with. If riders could be trusted to behave then there would be no need for a ban, but they cant and there is.
I genuinely dont get what the OP and others are so aggrieved about, or have I missed something?
[i]*edit* Seen the front page, know what you're on about. Still think its a sensible idea.[/i]

a ban, pure and simple - your type are not wanted.

It's a tourist attraction, train-loads of them up there. I'd really not want to be riding on Snowdon mid-day on a summmer weekend anyway so it's a non-issue. Early am or at sundown, lovely. Different story when the crowds are gone.

Edit, just read the news item. "Concerns have also been raised about erosion on the mountain." What? It has a bloody railway line carved into it and a building on top. It's f'ed as far as mountain aesthetics go anyway : )

Of course it's a ban FFS - they've just called it something else to increase palatability.

At least with my idea of a one day per fortnight voluntary ban by walkers the access would be shared a little more fairly.

At least with my idea of a one day per fortnight voluntary ban by walkers the access would be shared a little more fairly.

Good luck getting the word out about that.

As a local, the OP above is right in that it's an agreement that just 'works'. The real question is about rightful access to places where there aren't hordes of people (i.e. access rights as in Scotland). Even if we had this, I see no reason for the Snowdon agreement to end. There's loads of riding in the area and plenty of time in the evening for a run up Snowdon.

We will just have to wait till the government says to reduce accidents on the road and after consultation with motoring groups riding on the roads between hours of ...am and ....pm a voluntary curfew has been put in place

That's shit stirring

Semantics. A ban can be enforced, right now they don't want a load of riders there during those times, I'd guess a few will be tolerated and not acted on, prob just advised of the current agreement (made in agreement with the bodies that represent us that is). But a load, regularly, could = a Ban. Enforced and acted on.

Do you think it would be reasonable to ride down a busy pavement packed with pedestrians, Snowdon on a good day is like piccadilly circus, a voluntary ban seems like a sensible idea.

So why not a one day per fortnight ban on walkers?

Be damned with your reasonable arguments, we're being oppressed god dam!

coz there's more walkers and therefore they spend more dosh on cakes innit

I'm still unsure why anyone would ride down it in peak times. One big game of skittles no fun for anyone.

So why not a one day per fortnight ban on walkers?

At pk -Not if access was shared a little more equally

At Jameso - sign at the bottom of each path

^ a bit late if you've just driven there from Surrey as a group of 10 in the yomping club mini-bus though?
Anyway.. what's in place now will only change for the worse if people ignore it, so it's a non-issue really. There's loads of other great riding in that area.

At Jameso - sign at the bottom of each path

No chance of that working. People would need to know about it before they drove up from that London.

Edit - beaten to it!

Its a non issue for now , who says other great riding in the area or even in other parts of the country won't become subject to being made to volunteer

Also if you set off from surrey to ride your bike make sure you know your banned from that hill for now

And if you've driven from Surray with your bikes because you didn't know that you had volunteered not to ride?

It's a fairly sensible way to share a limited resource.

Its would be crap anyway when full of walkers for both groups so I am not really sure what the issue is tbh
Ride it when it is most fun

And if you've driven from Surray with your bikes because you didn't know that you had volunteered not to ride?

It pretty much works for bikers because there are far less of us and word has got out amongst those that do that kind of riding.

Walkers are a much more varied group and many would not think to check such things.

Get over yourself, they are doing you a favour, do you know how ridiculous you look mincing down the hill on those ego chariots, thinking you are Steve peat.

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I've never noticed walkers coming down mountains on busy narrow paths at 30mph odd, so they're not likely to be a danger to others!

I first heard of the 'voluntary ban' a few years ago - I understood that it was implemented to protect MTBers from being permanently banned all year round by redesignating the bridleways as footpaths. So a voluntary peak season and peak hours only ban seems like a bloody good idea!

Hold on a mo reclassifying bridleways as footpaths,the only error in that thinking is that horse riding groups carry more weight than any flask carrying group out in the wilds, horseriders get uppery and don't take shit

A good idea is to make it scientific and ban each group for x months in summer to see who actually causes the damage

Reckon we will see similar in the Peak in the near future.

And further afield in busy areas.

And please, stop calling it voluntary, it's not.

I've been up Snowdon in the winter without crampons. Those slopes sure are slippery.

I did my ice axe training on Crib-y-Ddysgl many years ago.

[quote=dangerousbeans ]And please, stop calling it voluntary, it's not.

Why isn't it? What will happen to you if you ignore it?

[quote=catschroedinger ]Hold on a mo reclassifying bridleways as footpaths,the only error in that thinking is that horse riding groups carry more weight than any flask carrying group out in the wilds, horseriders get uppery and don't take shit

How many people ride horses up Snowdon?

Though in any case it would probably be a TRO or something like that, just banning bikes.

Chiefgrooveguru says it all really. 1000 walkers don't represent a danger to anyone, one storm trooper mountain biker enjoying the gnar is a menace on a crowded path. Observe the voluntary ban or loose Snowden all together, thats the choice.

dangerousbeans » And please, stop calling it voluntary, it's not.

Set up between Sports Council for Wales, Gwynedd County Council, the Snowdonia National Park Authority, the CTC, the Welsh Cycling Union and IMBA, the voluntary curfew forbids riding on Snowdon between 10am to 5pm. From October to the end of April there is full access for cyclists.

It's a very practical solution to a very busy area. Have ridden outside of the restriction Autumn-Spring and before the curfew and after. Being down in time for breakfast then on to something else was great. Went climbing after.

Aracer - you answered your own question about what will happen if mtbers ignore the partial ban. It will be made permanent.

Mike - I never appointed anyone to give away my rights.