Don't know how to link to it by IMB magazine has this in its latest issue. They reckon we are in the analogue bikes last decade and give it 4 years we will all be fully electric ? 🤔🧐
Sounds like clickbait nonsense to me!
Not interested. I am probably already too old to lift one over a gate or deer fence. The weight issue impacts in other ways too.
Each to their own and nothing against them but they're not for me. I cannot imagine any future where e-bikes are the only option even if they do become the greater market share at some point.
Even in some hypothetical world where an e-bike was the same price, weight and spec as exactly the same standard version bike I still wouldn't buy one. There, I said it.
Why do people paddle kayaks when they can buy boats with engines?
they can buy boats with engines?
Bullseye
That's right, you can win them.as well.
People who refer to bikes as Analogue need to be disembowled and their entrails fed to the dogs.
Nope.
I'll still be ring manual bikes and eebs in four years time.
Just the same as I've done for the last four years.
That’s right, you can win them.as well.
Did anyone ever actually win a speedboat on Bullseye?
In 4 years time I’ll be 70, doubt I’ll be able to afford an e-bike, and at 70 I’ll still be too young for an electric bike anyway. Yes, I’ve ridden an e mountain bike and fully appreciate what they can do. If I had £4-6k to spend on a two wheeler I’d probably buy a Honda CRF 300.
If 'Analogue' is bad, 'Acoustic' makes me want to scratch my (or their) eyes out
Did anyone ever actually win a speedboat on Bullseye
Just one Stu...
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/you-know-coventrys-bullseye-speedboat-21788348
It won't be in four years (maybe 15) and it won't be everyone,but I reckon the majority of mountain bikers will be on eebs at some point (assuming they remain classed the same in law as a pedal cycle). Non motorised mountain bikes will still be ridden but will be niche like a rigid single speed.
Just one Stu…
> https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/you-know-coventrys-bullseye-speedboat-21788348
Aahhh Covenrty that lovely seaside resort. Very useful.
If ‘Analogue’ is bad, ‘Acoustic’ makes me want to scratch my (or their) eyes out
I think the best I’ve heard for a ‘bike’ recently was ‘Amish’ Bike. Actually made me chuckle.
They said a couple of years ago that you wouldn’t be able to buy a bike above something like £5k in the coming years unless it was electric. Still hasn’t happened
Manual bike, leg bike, push bike, standard bike. There could be a whole thread about names somewhere
In the same way as fat bikes will take over from normal bikes by the end of the decade.
And Gravel bikes.
And ......
I can't see it happening.
I suspect it'll attract a lot of people to cycling that wouldn't cycle otherwise; Green lanners turning to MTB, commuters getting electric bikes etc.
But looking around at trail centers which seems to be their natural habitat, most of the E-Bikers don't look like they've been cycling regular bikes and suddenly switched to put it politely.
Don't shoot the messenger 🙄 as for the copy and paste comment educate me on an Android phone please.
A guy in South wales referred to my Sentinel as a ‘peddler’
Maybe like 'wild swimming' - or as it used to be known; 'swimming'...
'Acoustic bike' - or as it used to be known; 'a bike'...
Manual bike, leg bike, push bike, standard bike.
Knee bike. As in "do you ride a knee bike"?
Reliability has to come a long way for me. And realistically unless they get the weight down it would need to go on a rear mounted carrier, and get sprayed with all that lovely road grime, which is no good for regular bikes nevermind ones with motors.
I do wonder if some form of regenerative braking is around the corner. Personally I don't have a motorised bike, but that could be a massive game changer for them as do?
I'm sure that nice Mr Sunak will save us from ebike compulsion!
Got an electric and regular MTB. I find both have their place, strengths and weaknesses etc.
Do you know what I find baffling? 5-12k bikes, electric or otherwise. Huge sums of money on the most marginal of gains in terms of capability or experience. That's what can get in the sea, as far as I'm concerned 😀
What an annoying article!
(Owner of ebike and normal bikes. Also an owner of electric guitars and basses and acoustic guitars and basses. Not an acoustic bike owner! Also an owner of digital FX pedals and analogue FX pedals. Not an analogue bike owner! FFS.)
I get a lot of enjoyment of riding my bikes from the knowledge that me and my legs powered it to wherever I end up, further than I could walking and faster too. Take that away and I'd ride less.
I do wonder if some form of regenerative braking is around the corner.
How's that going to work with a freewheel? Dynamo hubs?
Do you know what I find baffling? 5-12k bikes, electric or otherwise.
Yeah, it's absolutely mental to me to see people here (and other places online) calling £3k+ bikes on "sale" a bargain. Who has that sort of disposable income these days anyway?
Did see a TV advert for a mobility scooter with heated grips. Did someone on the editorial team not ask for something like this? 🙂
Who has that sort of disposable income these days anyway?
People with well paid jobs and no kids?
Looking on the EMTB forum, there’s plenty of people spending big money on bikes so despite what the news would have you believe, not everyone is broke at the moment.
Pedal
Pedal assist
Seems the most logical nameing
Does that mean I can get an 8kg ebike now, same weight as my road bike? With a 200km range?
It won’t be in four years (maybe 15) and it won’t be everyone,but I reckon the majority of mountain bikers will be on eebs at some point (assuming they remain classed the same in law as a pedal cycle). Non motorised mountain bikes will still be ridden but will be niche like a rigid single speed.
You really think?
I can't help seeing today's shiny eeeb toys as tomorrow's E-waste.
While they're sort of coaxing petrol heads onto two wheels (till they see anmout of warranty repair bill), I don't really see eeebs ever truly taking over and completely displacing the food old human powered bicycle.
For me it's going to be a sad day when one completes the tour divide or some other such big mileage event, that's going to be the true indication that human physical effort is no longer valued so much...
Solid bit of click bait.
You really think?
I was very careful to say I think they will for mountain bikes, but they definitely won't for all types of bikes. Ther will still be people riding the tour divide on neebs for decades to come, same goes for road bikes.
Commuters (shoppera,local transports etc) and mountain bikers will switch to eebs, everyone else will stay with neebs, obviously there will be exceptions ,but I mean a majority of the the above will switch.
Go to a trail center now and there a a significant number of eebs
Who cares what people call ebikes, or normal pedal bikes, is it really enough to get you frothing at the mouth that someone has a pet name for a different mode of propulsion, even if it's the original mode?
Ebikes are here to stay and will undoubtedly evolve and become better and better and accepted as the norm for many.
The market for bikes as we've all known them for years will possibly shrink, but it's never going to disappear.
I love my ebike, but love standard bikes - the next bike I own probably won't have a motor and will also probably cost more than the one that does have a motor
Normal pedal bikes are still going to be around for a while yet but some days it already feels to me that there in the minority.
Go to Glentress on a Saturday and it seems like there's more eebs than not to me , I had one day at the Golfie where I only saw ebikes apart from mine .
The main reason I haven't got one yet is money and concerns about reliability but I can totally see how great they are at the up a fire road down a trail and back up a fire road type riding that a lot of people do .
Another reason for me at the moment not to get one is I like to do enduros , very much a back marker but enjoy the day out and get a sense of satisfaction from completing the course. I just can't get my head around ebike racing , can't see getting the same satisfaction from completing it on an ebike .
Thought it was going to be bike industry journos collectively decided to stop writing about ye good olde push bike.
I heard analogue bikes are actually worse for the environment if you only eat avocados. Maybe they'll be a ULEZ on the trails??
I just can’t get my head around ebike racing , can’t see getting the same satisfaction from completing it on an ebike .
I'm with you.
If you were otherwise incapable then sure, crack on. Seeing Martyn Ashton do the Fort William WC DH on one was brilliant but that was for fun and most people are more than capable of racing without one.
Note the use of most, not all.
As someone above said, it's a Motability bike.
educate me on an Android phone please
https://www.imbikemag.com/issue77/?page=79
On the IMB app, click on the share icon, then copy.
From a browser, copy the url
What the hell is a neeb and an eeb? Absolute dickhead patter.
A bike and an ebike. Ya ****ing tools
I had one day at the Golfie where I only saw ebikes apart from mine .
I regularly have days at Golfie where I'm the only person on an eebr.
I also have it the other way round when I'm the only one on a manual bike.
Makes no difference what so ever to me what anyone else is riding.
It's just another bike to choose from as far as I'm concerned and they can exist pretty well side by side.
My occasional family trail centre trips this year would suggest that I'm just not fat enough to own an ebike.
That said, if I lived at the bottom of the Golfie, I'd already own one. As it is, I live in Calderdale, our hills are steep but not that high and have a lot of variety.
Put me down for one once they are fixable and my knees pack in.
For the price of a half decent E-bike, I could buy myself 2 or 3 perfect capable analogue bikes.
I know where my money is going.
In the same way as fat bikes will take over from normal bikes by the end of the decade.
And Gravel bikes.
Gravel to a lesser extent, but they were both fads, fatties being a bit more niche. Yes fat bikes are still around and gravel edges more and more towards HT MTB territory.
No one really imagined either of them taking over the world though. Ebikes will continue to rise in popularity over the decade and will have a lions share of the market at a guess. Maybe not the death of analogue, but there will be some manufacturers that possibly stop making certain bikes due to lack of demand
For the price of a half decent E-bike, I could buy myself 2 or 3 perfect capable analogue bikes.
I know where my money is going
Cool. You going Bosch or Shimano? 😉
I just can’t get my head around ebike racing , can’t see getting the same satisfaction from completing it on an ebike
That's because you appear to be thinking that it's the same race, only perhaps with fag breaks and mandatory pasty eating sections.
It's a different type of race and still won by the fittest, with the best technical skill and endurance.
Depends on where you live and what you ride surely? Forest of Dean, or pottering around an up and down trail centre, it’s now 90% e-bikes.
Somewhere like Dyfi, e-bikes are very much in the minority for good reason.
I regularly have days at Golfie where I’m the only person on an eebr.
I also have it the other way round when I’m the only one on a manual bike.
Makes no difference what so ever to me what anyone else is riding.
I wasn't suggesting there was anything wrong with it , I basically said I'd have one if I could afford it . I was saying that some days it feels like the balance has already shifted well towards ebikes in terms of numbers .
It’s a different type of race and still won by the fittest, with the best technical skill and endurance.
I was talking personally about why I do enduros . But now you mention it is it really won by the best technical skill and endurance? If you put 2 equal riders on different ebikes with different motors and batteries your adding something extra into the race equation that isn't endurance or technique.
It's human nature if you offer people an easier option they will take it. Ebikes are great if you are less fit older or suffering from impediments to riding a pedal bike.
You apparently still get a workout but people who ride ebikes wear more clothes.
I might get an ebike if it's a choice between an ebike on not riding, but until then I will stick with a real bike
It’s human nature if you offer people an easier option they will take it.
How does this work for people who ride both?
You apparently still get a workout but people who ride ebikes wear more clothes.
Everyone I know wears the same kit irrespective of what bike they happen to be riding.
a real bike
Are eebrs just made up then not real.
Dude they're just another type of bike no need to feel so threatened by them.
Obesecycles are great. Love seeing Gnarwhales enjoying the hills.
Difficult to not feel threatened when you have been rammed by one on a climb
I have not ridden at a trail centre since.
Who is even buying flintstone bikes these days? They seem to be owned by those who should take up hiking as a hobby as they spend so much time walking their bike uphill compared to riding it.
Yeehaa! Coming through peasants!
Difficult to not feel threatened when you have been rammed by one on a climb
It wasn't the bike that "rammed" you.
****s gona ****.
Perfectly illustrated by davey up there.
But now you mention it is it really won by the best technical skill and endurance? If you put 2 equal riders on different ebikes with different motors and batteries your adding something extra into the race equation that isn’t endurance or technique.
There are strict rules surrounding power output, batteries etc. Innovation in those areas might bring you tiny gains here and there but that's the same in any sport that uses equipment.
The technicality of the tracks evens things out. When people started riding 29ers in dh, we didn't see only 29ers on the podium.
Whatever tiny gains they offered (imagined or not) the technicality of the tracks means that still, the fittest and best riders still win, with a handful of luck on the day.
I am nearly 70. I like riding my bike. I want to ride a normal bike and value simplicity, hence I still ride my single-ended when I can.
I get plenty of crap from cars when cycling on the road, I don't want the same crap off road.
The vast majority of cyclist are fine whatever they ride but people like daveylad really need to have a change of attitude.
Gravel to a lesser extent, but they were both fads, fatties being a bit more niche. Yes fat bikes are still around and gravel edges more and more towards HT MTB territory.
I'd say Gravel bikes are the Fad that has stuck now, mostly because they cover a few bases. A decade ago if posed the 'only one bike' I'd have said HT MTB. These days it would have to be a Gravel bike.
I can see me owning and riding a Gravel bike for far longer than I will an MTB, never mind an E-MTB.
WTF is an analogue bike?
I do wonder if some form of regenerative braking is around the corner. Personally I don’t have a motorised bike, but that could be a massive game changer for them as do?
I doubt that it's worth the complexity and expense. Yes, you might be able to recover some energy, but it will be a fraction of the energy you've used to get the bike up to speed or elevation.
To run regenerative braking with a mid-mounted motor, you'd need to eliminate the freewheel in the hub and run a gearbox instead of a rear derailleur so that the chain can drive the motor. But then, you'd create drag for when you want to coast, which I think would be annoying. If you set the system up to only harvest when the rear brake is applied, you'd lose a lot of energy if the mechanical brake was engaging alongside regenerative braking.
Probably the simplest way to do it would be to use the rear brake lever only for regenerative braking and have the front brake lever used to operate the front brake plus a small mechanical brake on the back. You could then program the regenerative braking to ease off when the rear wheel starts to lock so that you don't just lock up the rear wheel on steep descents. However you do it, you will need a much more complex braking system in order to make it feel like a normal system while also harvesting energy. I can't see it being worth the cost and complexity for the modest amount of energy you would recover.
I've no issues with e-bikes but I don't particularly like the derogatory nature of the names for a normal bike used by people who now ride e-bikes.
I won't consider buying one though until they are A, more reliable or easier to fix and B, cheaper.
I'd like to have a go on one, but they're not gonna kill of normal bikes anytime soon.
Surely a flintstone bikes is a Rothan or something like that.
I’m sticking with muscle bike to describe a bike you only use your muscles to shift.
And as those there lecky bikes aren’t for me (until I get an e-gravel bike with pannier mounts for the commute) the lecky crew can chose their own preferred name.
PS - if the chairlift in Les Gets is running on electricity does that make me some sort of e-biker that week whether I like it or not?
I’ve no issues with e-bikes but I don’t particularly like the derogatory nature of the names for a normal bike used by people who now ride e-bikes.
Check back. Goes both ways.
How does Aphex Twin clean his analogue bike?
With Analogue Bubblebath.
As OP maybe I should clarify, 67 retired ,averaging 400/500 miles a month less than 100 of those are assisted.E Bike is an Orbea Rise , I'd had a full power bike before found it overkill for my riding liked the idea of a halfway option waited for Orbea to bring out the alloy version .
I just thought I'd share the article on here to see people's opinions and once again predictably you haven't let me down 😁😁
Who is even buying flintstone bikes these days? They seem to be owned by those who should take up hiking as a hobby as they spend so much time walking their bike uphill compared to riding it.
Ironically I recently went for a ride with a mate who is mostly a hiker/climber, but has bought some weird, rack-festooned, full-sus Trek emtb/trekking thing, which seems to be the nearest he can find to hiking on two wheels. He has no interest at all in conventional bikes, but likes the minimal effort involved in riding an ebike quickly up hills.
I rode up the same climbs without motor assistance. It was fine. We were both happy and had a good day out.
I think for a sub-set of riders* who want to enjoy being on a bike, enjoy the outdoors, and the technical challenge of riding difficult terrain with their friends, and who have zero interest in the fitness aspect of bike riding, he's probably correct in predicting the death of push-bikes. For those folks; normal bikes effectively already may as well not exist, they have zero interest in buying one ever again.
Why spend £6K on a bike on which you won't enjoy the uphills, you won't be able to do as much riding as you want, and go to all the cool spots in a ride, when you invest that money in a bike that makes the whole ride (for them), way more fun? It's a no-brainer.
* It's probably a larger group of folks that most people who're invested in the fitness aspect of bike riding would think it is.
I’d like to have a go on one, but they’re not gonna kill of normal bikes anytime soon.
Here's the thing, e-bikes are by any definition, heaps of fun. I mean in a laugh out loud "OMG this changes everything" levels of fun. The sort of person that rides a MTB regularly that when handed an e-bike for the first time, doesn't laugh out loud with just the joy of thing is probably a psychopath.
I don't own an e-bike because a large part of my persona and ego is invested in the fact that at 55 I'm fitter than a good proportion of my peers, and I can still fit into jeans that I wore as a 20 year old, and I will bet money that I'm not alone. If I owned an leisure e-bike* I doubt I'd ride much else and I'd get fat, I don't want to be fat more than I want to have fun at the weekend.
*Mountain biking being the thing that I do for leisure, I don't earn money from it, nor do I need to do it, other forms of cycling my be different.
I’m having a year off my ebike because although my average heart rate on a ride would be about the same, and I was putting plenty hours in over the winter, jumping back on a road bike and TrainerRoad this year showed I’d lost about 40w of my FTP and peak power was down massively too.
For places like Golfie, Inners or anywhere else with a load of off piste, nadgery stuff but repeated dull fire road climbs to reach them I think ebikes make so much sense, you can just get so many more runs in. I’m going to Golfie on Monday on a normal bike and it’ll take me five hours to do what I could do on an an e-bike in 2.5.
I think any body who loves riding, but can only get out to the trails once a week, would be nuts to buy a normal bike given a choice and opportunity. Their fitness means they’d be in much less pain, and having a lot more fun on an ebike - and I reckon that’s a lot of people in work, with family commitments and so on.
I wonder how many owners have one - like me, but would rather not.
Whilst I like the bike and at 17.4kg - it’s not particularly heavy - it’s a tool to keep me outdoors, doing the thing I love.
it’s a tool to keep me outdoors, doing the thing I love.
And that should be all that matters. I know loads of top humans that ride eebs. I know loads of top humans that ride bikes.
Sadly ****ing dicks ride them both too.
How does Aphex Twin clean his analogue bike?
With Analogue Bubblebath
Because Aphex is clearly slumming it with the deeply uncool peasants on his pedal bike - with all the associated walking up hills - does that make him a Squarepusher?
I think any body who loves riding, but can only get out to the trails once a week, would be nuts to buy a normal bike
Yeah but that's the conundrum at the moment - how many can justify the cost of an ebike based on that level of usage?
I reckon there's a fair chance that my next purchase will have some level of e-assist but I'm looking 4-5 years out and at a time when I'd likely be reducing my current stable of bikes down from 7 to 2, or thereabouts. At the moment, for the type of riding I'm doing, I just don't want electronic assistance. If I was regularly heading up Burnside, or Cairngorm, then that would be different.
Locally ebikes are still very much a minority. I see more elderly riders on ebike hybrids (often arriving on the back of motorhomes) on roads and paths than I see ebike MTBs on the trails. And, to follow up on a point above, they do seem to be rather over-dressed, though I've heard blood thins and it's more difficult to stay warm when you're more elderly.
I've got bicycles for when I want to pedal and motorcycles for when I don't.
I'm sorted thanks.