and there's nothing natural about sheep.
it's already an entirely man made environment, the idea that by leaving it alone we'd be 'leaving it wild' is fundamentally flawed.
if we ignore the problem, it's only a matter of time before someone with a bit of clout looks at it and says, loudly, 'those mountainbikers are pain in the neck aren't they? - it's a good job they're not allowed on the other paths'
Pook and Simon have done an amazing job of assessing the problem, and starting a conversation about it, and a positive force within that conversation.
if we ignore the problem
What problem?.
Your citing that sheep are not natural :roll:, I'm sure people that have farmed the area for the past 100 years would say its not natural for a bike to be up there either.
What problem?.
erosion/damage/loss of peat is a problem, National Parks spend a lot of time and money trying to reduce/mitigate erosion, and repair/regenerate the peat.
its not natural for a bike to be up there either.
exactly, human activity is very much part of the landscape up there, asking if there is anything we could be doing to lessen our impact is a good thing.
erosion (and loss) of peat is a problem,
For who, you? How is it your problem? You don't actually have any stake in the land other than being granted permission to use it.
So stop the bikes then, problem solved people will still be up there walking.
Oh look, its Phil trolling again.
and there's nothing natural about sheep.
Are you sure about that? 😉
The solution is easy
A roll or two of Combigrid 20/20 Q1 from
NAUE.COM and some 300mm of Type1 MOT and thats your floating weather proof surface.
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/cut-gate thread resurrection
7 YEARS AGO (beat that then)
bloke at bottom of thread didnt seem too chuffed about bogs
erosion (and loss) of peat is a problem,
For who, you? How is it your problem? You don't actually have any stake in the land other than being granted permission to use it.
Peat is about 90% carbon. Its erosion leads to oxidation, which releases carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, which means that peat erosion is contributing to global warming. Its well documented on the internet!
philxx1975 - Member
...You don't actually have any stake in the land
i live downstream of this enormous rain-catchment area, it's management is very much my business.
i live downstream of this enormous rain-catchment area, it's management is very much my business.
lets make it about you eh? Plenty of people live downstream special petal.
What exactly is your point philxx1975?
I don't. For me it's more about
1) the protection of the peak
2) the reputation of mountain bikers
In fact, pretty much what we say in the intro to the booklet.
Simple really.
philxx1975 said something stupid.
My killfile list now has three inhabitants.
😀
problem solved people will still be up there walking
This is why we're hoping the booklet goes further. It's not just bikes causing the perceived problem. It can't just be bikers determining what the potential future of those bits should be
This is why we're hoping the booklet goes further. It's not just bikes causing the perceived problem. It can't just be bikers determining what the potential future of those bits should be
Has anyone ever actually seen horse riders up there? Not a loaded question, just wondering. Similarly on Jacob's Ladder.
I've seen one once on Cut Gate.Has anyone ever actually seen horse riders up there? Not a loaded question, just wondering. Similarly on Jacob's Ladder.
The hoof marks were massive and deep between the end of the slabs and the cairn. I was surprised. Chatted for a while at the cairn. They had struggled to get up out of the ford, but made it all while mounted. I was quite impressed. It sounded like a bit of an one-off adventure rather than a regular thing though.
Slightly OT (but when's that ever stopped STW?) - a friend who is well into horses has a map of The Dales with each BW colour coded according to how suitable it is to take her horses along. So those marked red are bog fests, etc. I'd imagine the horsey crowd in the Peak will have worked out something similar and shared it amongst themselves.
Generally horse riders are looking for the same things we are: a route with a decent surface that avoids traffic.
I've seen horses up there once, and you do occasionally see their tracks, though I've not seen any in the last year.
I did see some motorbikers up there midweek last summer, they'd cleverly snapped their number plates in half or unscrewed them so I couldn't report them. Apparently they were going up to Derwent Edge.
I know about 10-15 years ago motorbikers were up there quite a bit but judging by the tracks it's a lot less common now. Might still be worth looking into motorbike gates at either end, though, especially if Type 1 is the proposed solution to the bogs of doom as they'd tear it apart very quickly.
do we have any figures about how long MTBers and walkers will take to wear the mountain away until it's flat? 😐
I'm sure you could do the maths from some of the research there. I'd guess around 10 million years. 9 accounting for the invention of Strava 😉
I have only ever seen horses on three separate occasions up on the top in all the years I've been using it. There is an area in the Langsett Barn car park that has been set up for horse boxes and horses but only seen it in use on once.
I've never seen a horse up there. Having said that, the path is on the Peak Horsepower Kinder Loop so it's a a route of particular interest + they have the right to be up there so we should talk to them. As we're trying to!
Hi folks, bubbling this one back up. We're working with Peak District National Park to gather feedback on this so please share with other groups.
The debate so far is brilliant - just what's needed. You can send you comments directly to info@peakdistrictmtb.org too if you like, or on the Ride Sheffield and Peak District MTB facebook pages.
