If you advertise something for £150ono and I think it's only worth £100 then I will offer £100.
No need to get annoyed about it, just say "No thanks".
vinnyeh but Im not posting on the sellers thread. Thats a no-no. If you've no interest in buying you shouldnt post on their thread. Discussion stays here on this (relevant) thread.
I think it's a bit of a shame that the rules don't allow ads asking for offers - why is that bad ?
Scaredypants it just clogs up the classifieds with people who aren't really serious about selling.
fair enough. Still doesn't sound quite right to me though.
Scaredypants it just clogs up the classifieds with people who aren't really serious about selling
Now they just post in the bike forum with thinly disguised ads.
[i]".. how much do you think <insert description & photo of bike with full build details> would be worth ....?"[/i]
STW is a discussion forum & as such is open to people discussing things
So if 20 people decide they want a discussion about how much an item should be sold for in that person's sale thread because they don't agree with a price, you think that's reasonable use of the classifieds? *face palm*
surely they now achieve the same by advertising some shite at an inflated price and waiting for the offers
trusz has a point.
So if 20 people decide they want a discussion about how much an item should be sold for in that person's sale thread because they don't agree with a price, you think that's reasonable use of the classifieds? *face palm*
That's not likely to happen though, if it gets out of hand it'll be moderated
I'm simply saying that if you post something in a forum that allows replies & discussions don't be surprised if you get them
TBH - there's so many posts over there without any replies - it could do with a bit of comment, if only to keep the cobwebs away
*face palm*
Why because you still want to use the classified to make money?
I think it's a bit of a shame that the rules don't allow ads asking for offers - why is that bad ?
If you are selling something, you should know how much it is worth to you and therefore how much you will accept. Why should a potential seller have to take part in a guessing game where one possible outcome is humiliation for offering too little?
IMHO its either lazy (can't be arsed to research how much something is worth) or opportunistic.
And don't get me started on [i]Possibly Forsale[/i] or [i]Testing the water[/i] FFS!
If you're not interested in buying then just STFU?
+1
And don't get me started on Possibly Forsale or Testing the water FFS!
Me neither.
That's not likely to happen though, if it gets out of hand it'll be moderated
Wasting time of moderators.
I'm simply saying that if you post something in a forum that allows replies & discussions don't be surprised if you get them
TBH
I'm not suprised in the least. I've used classified forums for various other hobbies and you get the same type of people doing the same thing. After a while, rules got brought in to stop it (thread trashing = ban) then everyone was happier. Mods time and server bandwidth saved too.
- there's so many posts over there without any replies - it could do with a bit of comment, if only to keep the cobwebs away
For people with that sort of mentality, there's always 4chan.org
Why because you still want to use the classified to make money?
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So if 20 people decide they want a discussion about how much an item should be sold for in that person's sale thread because they don't agree with a price, you think that's reasonable use of the classifieds? *face palm*
If you really believe that happens
Have a wander over to the classifieds then & find one or two that fit your [strike]wildly exaggerated[/strike] scenario
Give me a shout when you get back eh?
If you are selling something, you should know how much it is worth to you and therefore how much you will accept. Why should a potential seller have to take part in a guessing game where one possible outcome is humiliation for offering too little?
The usual (trite bollocks, maybe) that gets cited on here is that "value is whatever somebody will pay" which seems to be at odds with your view. Unless the scenario whereby an un-knowledgeable amateur seller undersells stuff (often to the semi-pro shoppers) is a good thing amongst this "community" I don't see an obvious advantage.
SImilarly, it'll take an awful long time before *certain sellers* get a realistic idea of how little their stuff is worth. Seems to me that this way might be more efficient and I don't see that it's unfair
I haven't got an axe to grind here, I just don't see why on way is great and the other is so bad
If you really believe that happens
Have a wander over to the classifieds then & find one or two that fit your wildly exaggerated scenarioGive me a shout when you get back eh?
...and I almost went and had a look! Damn, ya nearly got me there 😉
Scaredypants, regarding the "state your price" thing...I think it's quite a good rule. It's how selling in general seems to be done, whether it's a retail shop, car boot sale or any big trading site (e.g. auto trader). Avoids turning the place in to a fleebay and possibly makes for quicker sales?
Well, as you know, I'd disagree. Should the logical(?) extension be that no offers should be allowed either, nor any comment at all? STW should delete any post other than "yes please, at asking price. how do I pay?"
Sure, you get REALLY quick sales when somebody prices very low - I just think that's a shame if/when
a) it's due to them not knowing its value
b) a "pro" snapping it up for gain
Sometimes also makes for a long process of reiteration of ads with optimistically priced stuff in them
Can't be bothered to wade through three pages of this...... but if people think it's okay to point out to prospective buyers that something is too expensive to avoid them getting ripped off, then shouldn't they also point out to prospective sellers when they have priced something too cheaply, to avoid them getting ripped off.
To do otherwise would seem grossly hypocritical.
To do otherwise would seem grossly hypocritical.
You're assuming that the motivation for pointing out expensive prices is one of selfless humility to help a fellow mtber sell stuff at a reasonable price. It's not (usually).
then shouldn't they also point out to prospective sellers when they have priced something too cheaply, to avoid them getting ripped off.
I've done that
never done it the other way though
Why hasnt there been any competitor for ebay coming through? Surely LOTS of people itching to. Do Ebay have a deal to block bandwidth etc with internet providers etc?! I dont get that. Even mighty Microsoft Explorer etc had competitors coming up to beat it. Why not ebay?!
I've been mentioned in this as having Juicy 3s for sale at a higher price than Merlin - I appreciated the member who pointed it out. I put them on at a price that I thought was fair, if somebody disagrees then either have a word or let me know. I think its funny that some people are so anygry about it - not all of us have the google gift to find the best deal in the world 😀 and I usually get it right... Dont like? Don't buy!
[i]Why hasnt there been any competitor for ebay coming through? [/i]
I've thought about this in the past and came up with the fact that a auction site is only as good as the auctions on it and eBay has thousands of actions on at any time so buyers have a good chance of finding what they want. For another company to come along, it would cost a ton of money to publicise a new site to increase the auctions and attract buyers...if they could it would snowball from there. Its possible but there are huge financial risks.
The other reason is that as soon as you set up anything remotely like eBay, eBay would sue the hell out of you and you'd get dragged into loads of costly lawsuits.
The other reason is that as soon as you set up anything remotely like eBay, eBay would sue the hell out of you and you'd get dragged into loads of costly lawsuits.
Yes. They'll have been quietly registering names as well along with the 'mc'libel and claim likeness infringement etc which they would lose eventually in court however no competitor could afford to go that far I bet..
I normally go off what completed items on e-bay show, 9/10 folk will normally offer a bit less, Which if its not a silly offer i'l let them have it
Why hasnt there been any competitor for ebay coming through?
There are, but as nuke says, an auction site is only as good as what's for sale there. Check out ebid if you want to see how good the takeup is. Ebay have a history of buying up successful competitors. It will eventually change though- both play and amazon run their own 2ndhand markets, and marketplace not auctions is the direction ebay is going in.
Twaddle about ebay suing other sites ofr likeness infringment etc. There's plenty of other more specialist auction sites. In some countries ebay isn't the predominant auction site- it took them a long time to run against the NZ equivalent [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TradeMe ]Trade Me[/url] on an equal footing.
I think that somebody like wiggle or crc could run auctions on site as a tidy wee sideline though- or even stw for that matter, but it would be best if there was some diversification on the base site, not just mountain bikes.