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Well not with my power input.
it will stretch.
maybe elastically and maybe minutely but it will - it has to it's the law.
You get wear at the pins and inner plates. a thou of wear in each one results in a longer chain. See Sheldon Brown for details
Chains don't stretch. But the bushes around the pins wear, so a chain will get longer.
See above 😀 Theres no significant plastic deformation along the length of the plates.
plastic deformation
Takes me back to T203 - Material Science 😆
hmmm
now even a stretchy thing is purely it's 'bits' moving further apart, even at a molecular level. does the parts of a chain becoming further apart not have the same effect? does the true definition of 'stretch' imply an plastic deformation? does it require that the amount of material stay the same?
anyone clarify?
tie a chain to soemthing. Hang an anvil, or an Acme 16tonne weight off it. It'll stretch. Thread closed.
Chains don't stretch. But the bushes around the pins wear, so a chain will get longer
what part of "getting longer" is not [b]stretching[/b] ?
SFB - I'm guessing he means the effective length between the rollers increases as they, and the pins they rotate on, wear.
They do also stretch though - I've measured to check (sad I know).... Only Sram ones though as they are pish. 😆
They roller wear is the significant factor - hence well lubed chains don't "stretch"/wear as fast.
If your hair grows it hasn't stretched.
I hung two Sram chains up side by side the other day.
One has seen plenty of use...the other brand new.
And there was a good couple of mm difference.
I'll take a pic & post tonight...
Quite surprising.
Might even get one of the outer plates from each on the CMM next week, just to check.
Its quiet at work at the moment.
Oh, & Sram are in a different league to Shitmano Chains.
ah but that is by the addition of new material
we need a conclusive definition of what 'stretch' is here
I'm sure if your mighty power were kept up for long enough you would cause a little creep over time.
See - Sram 😉
If your hair grows it hasn't stretched.
so what nutrients do I need to avoid having to buy new chains by cloning ?
Iron, plus small amounts of some other metals I guess 😛
Stretch - to lengthen, widen, distend, or enlarge by tension: to stretch a rubber band.
This implies that when the tension is removed the object will return to somewhere near its previous length. As chain length increases due to wear between the component parts this doesn't happen.
I'm sure if your mighty power were kept up for long enough you would cause a little creep over time.
'Tis true, if you push on a wall for long enough, it will fall down, eventually
not so sure. wot we need is a proper scientist to tell us. leather elbow patches a must
the pins are fixed in the outer plates, and free to pivot in the inner plates and rollers (the little washer bits inbetween the inner plates)
the holes in the inner plates become marginally ovalised over time.
measure a chain, from centre pin to centre pin.....
over 12 links (inner and an outer pair), it should measure 12 inches.
if the 12 inches measures centre of one pin, to the edge of the 24th pin, then its time for a new chain 🙂
if you push on a wall for long enough, it will fall down, eventually
or you will...
This implies that when the tension is removed the object will return to somewhere near its previous length.
but it's in the nature of bike chains always to [b]be[/b] under tension!
In my view, arguing about the verb is beside the point - the chain DOES get longer, and will also be a poor fit to an unworn cassette.
'Stretching' implies that a [i]single, continuous object/piece[/i] of something is getting longer while remaining whole, or it does to me anyway! With a chain, single pieces are actually getting smaller but the combination of those parts gets longer.
As is so often these case with such things, the hypothesis has not been expanded on enough to form a useful question.
Chains do not stretch.
Not ture. The do undergo elastic deformation.
Can we measure it? With the right kit, yes.
Do we care? No
Is it significant to wear and performance? No.
The original post says "Not with my power output", missing the point- chains DO stretch but not because of the power applied, but because of wear and tear. Any stretching due to power loading is irrelevant.
Any stretching due to power loading is irrelevant.
except inasmuch as some of the 'larger gentlemen' riders I know seem to have an increased incidence of [b]snapped [/b]chains...
chains do get longer but its unlikely that the link plates will stretch, or even if they do the wear in the pins will be more of an issue.
more to the point, who cares?
i like onzadogs alternative universe nice and simple
not because it has stretched, probably more because the pins or plates have deformed and ping loosesimonfbarnes - except inasmuch as some of the 'larger gentlemen' riders I know seem to have an increased incidence of snapped chains...
I suspect they do deform (stretch) under load, but not noticably - and then they snap. If a link suffers damage, then a snap is more likely within "normal" pedalling-uphill loads.
I agree with the bushing wear resulting on permanent lengthening. I now understand why cleaning and lubing helps control wear rates.
the gaps between links get longer due to wearing on the cassette /chain ring get a chin wear tool and check if you done beleive me
mine just snap 🙁
too much torque of course 🙂
'Tis true, if you push on a wall for long enough, it will fall down, eventually
Not if you're below the creep threshold, otherwise your mountains would have flattened out by now 🙂
OK lets sort/summarise this....
Chains do stretch elastically under ANY load, but return to normal length when unloaded.
Chain parts do not stretch plastically, permanent length changes are caused by wear at the inner plate/pin joint. So while the chain may change length over time the question of stretch becomes one of do we define stretch as a change of length of parts of the chain or a change of length of the item as a whole.
If you look on a half-link basis the chain does not stretch, if you look on a whole-link, or whole chain basis it does by way of wear.
The word stretch does not require deformation to be due to plastic or elastic material deformation?
Chains do stretch elastically under ANY load
are you sure? - a quick calc would say would need to weigh just over 7 tonnes to exceed the yield strength of a single plate or am i missing something - and yes i know chains fail but again that is wear and deformation around the pin holes
are you sure? - a quick calc would say would need to weigh just over 7 tonnes to exceed the yield strength of a single plate or am i missing something - and yes i know chains fail but again that is wear and deformation around the pin holes
You're missing something :-), to exceed the yield strength would be going into plastic deformation, elastic deformation occurs below yield (thats the definition of the elastic limit/yield point). Its just that elastic deformation returns to original length when unloaded.
a quick calc would say would need to weigh just over 7 tonnes to exceed the yield strength of a single plate
you're mixing it up with plastic deformation 🙂
whooops - coffeeking is of course totally correct - all materials elastically deform up to their yield point
Easy mistake to make, shows you were thinking in the right direction though!
and elastic deformation is characterised by the material returning to its original length or shape when the load is removed
goes to the back of the class
everything stretches, even glass.
however, glass is brittle, and snaps (or shatters) after very little stretching.
chains do stretch, but only by small amounts, and they will usually return to normal shape unless youre very powerful.
and of course the chain stretchs, to some degree.
solid room temperature granite flows like silly putty, to a lesser degree, but it still does...
eventually.
if you mean, "does the chain stretch when i put my weight on it, to a degree where i would notice, or be affected"
no
differentiation between "stretch" due to wear in the links
and stretch as we know it, due to a porker loading the chain up
is what is needed perhaps?
solid room temperature granite flows like silly putty, to a lesser degree, but it still does...
I don't think that's true, solids [b]are[/b]
Chains 'lengthen' with use due to wear on the rollers and pins. they do not 'stretch; appreciably, ie stretch is 1% of chain growth when compared with increase in length due to pin and roller wear.
This is of course why road chains tend to last a lot longer in terms of miles and hours used - they are usually kept cleaner, so will wear less, and remain shorter in terms of length.
I'm interested in how larger gentlemen manage to snap chains, surely the tyre will spin out before the tension in the chain is enough to break it?