[Closed] Bit of a warning...

IT DOESNT. It implies SELLING ON HERE. NOTHING to do with buying.

That qquote implies nothing about location as its solely about how you cannot do it for profit - it would seem they are implying they dont care wher eyou make profit as you simply cannot

And they are not "exploiting our forum"

They are exploiting eBay, if anything

Suppose you have managed to keep every post wrong

Good effort

PP the chap in question contacted Rickon direct yes but he was trying to go under the radar of us, it didn't work as Rickon was sensible and raised the issue.

Now he's selling the item in Ebay that's not our issue, is Ebay no there for that. This forums is not classified section is not for making profits so don't allow people on here to post items on here for a profit.

the one bit you fail to mention in your post

I did further down in the post above yours. 🙂

What if (And this has happened too) someone spots a PSA on here, for a cheap item from a store, buys one (Or in one case I know of, 25!) and sells that on to pay for new bike parts. I've done that. I didn't BUY it on here. I didn't SELL it on here (CRC and eBay for the record) but the 'profit' I've made is being used to purchase an item on here! 🙂

Too many grey areas! 🙂

I've helped sooooo many people off this forum and via this forum it's unbeliveable. I don't rip people off. I don't sell crap. I don't 'trade' on here, but I do buy and sell (And add value to items in the process quite often) to fund my bikes. I'm doing it now. You're going to see my C456 for sale soon, and a new bike rise out of it's ashes, but I'm not breaking any of the rules!

Now he's selling the item in Ebay that's not our issue, is Ebay no there for that. This forums is not classified section is not for making profits so don't allow people on here to post items on here for a profit

You been drinking, Drac?

well done and you noticed the key point of doing this, not breaking any rules.

Oh Dear I typed it in Junkyard character with bad spelling and talking jibberish ...give me a minute 😉

It's terrible when someone doesn't agree, isn't it? 😉

Dont mind disagreement it i just that some of that is not that close to sense tbh - arguing they are the same for example 😕

happy trails

You been drinking, Drac?

Not yet just crap typing so Safari thinks it'll fix it for me.

I'm glad my sensible post turned into an argument 😉

I don't think you disagree, I think what PP is saying is the user doesn't break the letter of the rule, but Drac is saying he's breaking the spirit of it.

STW is a community, bound by good will and community spirit. The user is breaking that, and doesn't belong here. Simples 🙂

You could have just replied "No thanks" to his email and moved on with life. 🙄

I'm glad my sensible post turned into an argument
I don't think you disagree, I think what PP is saying is the user doesn't break the letter of the rule, but Drac is saying he's breaking the spirit of it.

Bingo!
If anything, I've pointed out some ambiguity in said rules that needs tidying up... 🙂
At the end of the day, though, there's not a lot that can be done if someone chooses to do this.

One question if I may?
What's that Turner actually worth? Is the £570 a bit cheap? I genuinely have no idea. 🙂

You could have just replied "No thanks" to his email and moved on with life

Fortunately he chose to warn other forum members of someone abusing our classifieds by trying to sell items bought here for a profit to others on here.

If anything, I've pointed out some ambiguity in said rules that needs tidying up...

Which part, genuinely interested?

Have we figured out that headsup is/was a member here and is actually our old friend Peter Gratwick. 😀

What's that Turner actually worth? Is the £570 a bit cheap?

I'd have said that was actually a fair price, it's not in perfect condition, it's got a dent on the downtube, and some scuffing. Possibly a little warranty left if it's been brought across from the original user.

You could have just replied "No thanks" to his email and moved on with life

If it is really Peter Gratwick I'm glad I pointed this out, he's been a plague on the classifieds using it for trade under many pseudonyms. Not just selling overpriced gear, but giving wrong items - i.e. I bought some CB Candy SLs off him, turned up and they were Smartys.... wasn't interested in the slightest.

I think what PP is saying is the user doesn't break the letter of the rule

If we suspect that a user is exploiting our forum to earn additional income or solely for the purposes of making a profit then we are very likely to consider that as ‘Trade’ activity and we’ll ask you to stop

Not sure why anyone would think that this user is not doing this as they tried to sell a frame they did not own for more than they were going to pay for it. Ie they tried to profit both within STW and now via ebay. I fail to see who you think that this is not exploiting for profit- you may think this is ok [ different debate] but there is no way you can think it did not happen.

If anything, I've pointed out some ambiguity in said rules that needs tidying up...

Which part, genuinely interested?

I think what they are saying is that the rules dont specfically stop you buying something on here and selling it on EBAY for a profit [ i think they do]. I think the phrase above clearly covers it as it "bans" making a profit

I think they want to se this phrase to think its banned

" no buying of items from the classifieds soley to sell on at profit on this or other sites " to consider it forbidden.

However I dont see how it could be policed

I see no ambiguity at all. But we could put it to the test if Peter were to buy something from the classifieds, sell it on ebay for a higher price and then we could see how long it takes for me to ban him 🙂

Is it really worth the effort in PP's case? He does actually contribute to the forums (arguments / ranting mostly 😀 ), but he's not a trader.

I see no ambiguity at all. But we could put it to the test if Peter were to buy something from the classifieds, sell it on ebay for a higher price and then we could see how long it takes for me to ban him

Seems like a fair test of the ambiguity 🙂

I think they want to se this phrase to think its banned

" no buying of items from the classifieds soley to sell on at profit on this or other sites " to consider it forbidden.

However I dont see how it could be policed

But the thing is, we're not allowed to use this 'STW community' to point out when someone is selling something at too high a price any more, possibly stopping someone being ripped off, are we? And yet I've seen 2-3 instances of this in the last few weeks as I've been browsing the classifieds, one of which I already pointed out on this thread
So I can sell someone a £6 chainring for £10* and nobody can stop me by pointing it out on the thread.
That is EXACTLY the thing we're on about, isn't it?

* I'm not, but someone else is.

Seems to me the Classified Sales are a RPITA. What do they add for da STW Management and why don't they just get rid to save all the aggro? BTW, I use them on occasion and have never been ripped off nor had a complaint. Dung make me immune though.

But the thing is, we're not allowed to use this 'STW community' to point out when someone is selling something at too high a price any more, possibly stopping someone being ripped off, are we?

Yes you are you can email the mods by using the report button, many other people seem to manage this.

And yet I've seen 2-3 instances of this in the last few weeks as I've been browsing the classifieds, one of which I already pointed out on this thread

Why didn't you report them using the report button?

Another scenario:

I know my Rockshox.
I have a pair of knackered Rebas I bought for spares off here for £10 hanging in my garage (true)
Lets say I buy another pair of Rebas off here today (Entirely possible) for £40 and combine the two forks into one good one.
Can I then sell them on here for, say, £100 (Which is cheap for a decent set of Rebas) giving someone else a very good deal then use my £50 profit to part-fund the £150 frame I'm in the process of buying off here (also true)

Two thirds of that scenario has, and will, happen. I'm only missing another set of knackered Rebas.
I could sell these theoretical Rebas on here for £100, or lump them on eBay for £130. I'd rather sell them on here. It's faster, easier and cheeper for me AND the buyer.

Would I be allowed to? Would that be morally wrong? Serious question. 🙂

Why didn't you report them using the report button?

It was easier to undercut him. 🙂
I pointed it out to the buyer, sent him a link to the part on CRC, then offered far more VFM with something I wasn't intending to sell at all. I only sold it to stop the chap being ripped off. This is what a lot of us do, you know? This morning I've given away another a part I could have taken money for. Why? Becasue someone did the same for me last week. I'm passing the favour on.

Snow day today PP?

Another scenario:

I know my Rockshox.
I have a pair of knackered Rebas I bought for spares off here for £10 hanging in my garage (true)
Lets say I buy another pair of Rebas off here today (Entirely possible) for £40 and combine the two forks into one good one.
Can I then sell them on here for, say, £100 (Which is cheap for a decent set of Rebas) giving someone else a very good deal then use my £50 profit to part-fund the £150 frame I'm in the process of buying off here (also true)

Two thirds of that scenario has, and will, happen. I'm only missing another set of knackered Rebas.
I could sell these theoretical Rebas on here for £100, or lump them on eBay for £130. I'd rather sell them on here. It's faster, easier and cheeper for me AND the buyer.
Would I be allowed to? Would that be morally wrong? Serious question. .

No, you have taken time to improve one of the forks (added value, if you will) and incurred costs (the other fork) doing so, and not just bought it because the seller has under valued it, done nothing to it, and sold it on for more.

I'm unemployed Drac! Made redundant last month.
I did have a booking for a full bike service today (I advertise on a local forum) but it's fallen through, he's coming tomorrow. 🙂

I do all sorts of servicing jobs for mates/locals, I'm trying to get into the bike trade too.

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/wtd-shimano-9spd-chainrings

I'm unemployed Drac!

Ah sorry.

I'm on me break.

Ah sorry.

Don't be. It's ACE!
Doing my Cytech 2 next month, and I spend my time riding round bike shops asking for jobs. There's some lovely people I've talked to in the last few weeks and I've found some ace shops I didn't even know existed.

Pretty sure headsup was/is Peter Gratwick.

peteimpreza - Member

Digger90 - Member
Never, ever pay by Bank Transfer as you get no protection - insist on Paypal.

I also learned the hard way being ripped off by that idiot Peter Gratwick aka Freeform5Spot on STW. Now banned I believe.

POSTED 21 MINUTES AGO # REPORT-POST

Wrong he is back as Headsup

Buttscratcher - Member

Hello,

Peter Gratwick - freeformfivespot, etc... is back on STW, under the pseudonym Headsup:

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/profile/headsup

Received an email from him, if I remeber correctly he's a bit unscrupulous and sold me some dodgy pedals too.

Cheers

Butty

Impressive how Gratters is banned yet still generates a multi page thread for the usual reasons
You can be pretty sure it is him as he listed the 5 spot on eBay with the usual mark up before it was even posted to him

What this does demonstrate is that policing the classifieds is next to impossible
In this case he's emailed off board so he's stil free to operate under the radar buying cheap to then move on at a good profit via eBay
Or pinkbike
Or bikeradar
Or decent world
Or gravity slaves
Or gumtree
You get the picture 🙂

Fundamentally fine in principle but not on a site with a good community spirit not to mention rather too many down on their luck financially

The eBay ID of headsupbikes today alone has 4 expensive frames for sale
In conjunction with the other bits of bike this must represent a major turn over for him over the last 6-8 years

So the bottom line I suppose that despite the haters his business is helping the rest of us in giving back to the tax system a major pile of cash

It's far worse that people are allowed to only post in the classifieds - surely 99% of them are traders and are trying to make a profit? What 'normal' MTBer is only ever going to post on the classifieds when there's so much useless crap you can contribute to on the discussion forums?
What a joke, trying to police people making a profit and yet not addressing classifieds-only posters.

the profit is hypothetical, the 5 spot hasnt sold yet!

Rickon, he has listed it as buy-it-now or 'best offer'.
I suggest you offer him £570. And let us know how you get on. 😀

johnmiles;

his business is helping the rest of us in giving back to the tax system a major pile of cash

You honestly believe that a chap lacking in even a whiff of moral fibre will be submitting a tax return!?!

I may be a bit grumpy as I paid mine today and it hurt. A lot.

His local tax office would be very happy to alleviate him of his tax liability and charge him a large fee for "forgetting" to pay in previous years if this is the case. They will even take anonymous phone-calls for this purpose. E-Bay etc will have a lovely record of past sales that will make assessing his income a doddle! 😈

I don't know why people get their knickers in such a twist over the classifieds. People should be able to offer stuff for sale at whetever price they like and people should be able to pay (or not pay) whatever they like for stuff. If people manage to make a profit in the process then, frankly, good look to them. If someone's willing to pay more than you for something, well, tough. We're all adults, no-one is being forced into everything and, as my old Mum likes to say, we're all big enough and daft enough to make decisions for ourselves.

Let's not forget that it's absolutely non-essential stuff that's being sold here.

I've just put in a "Best Offer" : £570 🙂

What is the "bit of a warning" then? Is it do a little research and don't sell stuff too cheap as people may make a profit on what you sell them? Or is it warning people are on the look out for a bargain?

Have been quite intrigued by this thread - surely a community has it's entrepreneurs - and i'm sure an online community is no different.

Times are hard for all so you can't blame someone for trying - what was more interesting was trying to look back in the history to see what peoples issues were with him

johnmiles - you've only been a member for 3 months but seem to have a big issue as nearly all your posts are directed at headsup, surely there's a word for that - trolling

in this day an age of cyber bully's etc i think people should be a bit careful

I weirdly joined this forum as my passion is cycling - i've rarely commented as so many seem to have the passion only for mud slinging.

It's far worse that people are allowed to only post in the classifieds

No, you have taken time to improve one of the forks (added value, if you will) and incurred costs (the other fork) doing so

*no-one is allowed to say "how would you notice"